How are you feeling about newer generation BMWS?

[mvancE30]

New X2, New 8 series, new 3 series going automatic only etc etc. How is OT feeling about these new models?

[DETe36]

New X2, New 8 series, new 3 series going automatic only etc etc. How is OT feeling about these new models?

Might buy a 535d in the next few weeks

[crotter]

Only Modern BMW that really sings to me is the M2. Its like a modern day E30 M3 from what I can gather.

Think it might be a viable replacement as a daily for my E63 in the next year or two.

[Stuttgart951]

Only Modern BMW that really sings to me is the M2.

Agree.

Remainder of the range is uninspiring.

[B4SH]

I don’t like the gadgets appearing in the higher end models. Had a 5 series and waved my hand in a vigorous enough fashion to turn the radio to 11. Not on purpose.

[The Beastmaster]

I have an F10 535i and it is very nice and modern. However, the quality of some of the materials used makes me shake my head. I think BMW screwed the pooch in the late 90s, just like Mercedes.

[Def]

I think modern BMWs have way too much shitty plastic that's engineered to fail at 60-80k mi than is called for at their price points.

The M2 is interesting, but I can't really say I like how it looks in person. Looks... odd from many angles.

The 2019+ i3 actually has enough EV range to make it somewhat interesting, but I feel like it needs to drop in price quite a bit to be relevant in today's market. I can't imagine buying one new versus a Tesla Model 3. If the i3 was $8-10k cheaper, a REX version might be interesting with ~150 mi of EV range.

[Hatchman]

I've given up on the brand.

My enthusiasm ended with the F.

[bawareca]

The 2019+ i3 actually has enough EV range to make it somewhat interesting, but I feel like it needs to drop in price quite a bit to be relevant in today's market. I can't imagine buying one new versus a Tesla Model 3. If the i3 was $8-10k cheaper, a REX version might be interesting with ~150 mi of EV range.

It is relevant, if one is looking for a deal. Buying an electric car today is not recommended, most stuff will be outdated in 3-4 years. One can lease i3 for $300-400 a month. Some states offer rebates, which drops the price even more. Dropping $50k for a model 3 does not seem like a really smart move.

[Def]

It is relevant, if one is looking for a deal. Buying an electric car today is not recommended, most stuff will be outdated in 3-4 years. One can lease i3 for $300-400 a month. Some states offer rebates, which drops the price even more. Dropping $50k for a model 3 does not seem like a really smart move.

Why quote post-rebate prices for the i3 and not the Model 3?

My Volt is just a PHEV, (more like an EV that also has a generator), but it was ~$20k OTD after rebates. Pretty cheap for a vehicle with a full warranty, roughly comparable speed to an i3, and enough EV range to get me to like 800 mpg and maybe $50 of charging in 10 months.


I heard early i3's had plastic electric motor mounts that broke frequently, which totally sounds like modern BMW doing some downright stupid to save maybe a few dollars per vehicle. That's exactly why I shied away from a used early-ish i3 vs. the Volt.

I know BMW is not known for their legendary quality/longevity, but I feel like modern vehicles have really the bed in that respect. My E70 was a total shitshow of widespread failures. The aftermarket warranty company took it on that one to the tune of $14k in 2 years.

[tdz123]

10 years ago I would have liked at the idea, but the alleged AWD M3 sounds intriguing. I like all the Ms actually.

[R Shaffner]

I drove a 2017 X3 28 recently and I was impressed. Surprising power from a 2.0 four. They can get a lot out of turbos these days. Handled well. Comfortable, Felt and drove like a BMW.

I drove a 2017 740 M Sport last weekend and really didn't like it. I'm old school. (My last 2 cars have been e39 540-6 speeds -- I don't even like it when a car shifts gears without my telling it too.) The driver-assist features in the 740 were REAL annoying. After I turned them off the car drove OK. I guess I should say it drove well for a big car, but not great on the windy mountain road I was on. Best for highway cruising. I wanted to like it more, being a fan of the e38, but I just didn't.

[black bnr32]

A high performance halo car and a couple more GTS models would be sweet

[KarlSpackler]

The new 8 looks sexy

[bawareca]

Why quote post-rebate prices for the i3 and not the Model 3?

My Volt is just a PHEV, (more like an EV that also has a generator), but it was ~$20k OTD after rebates. Pretty cheap for a vehicle with a full warranty, roughly comparable speed to an i3, and enough EV range to get me to like 800 mpg and maybe $50 of charging in 10 months.


I heard early i3's had plastic electric motor mounts that broke frequently, which totally sounds like modern BMW doing some downright stupid to save maybe a few dollars per vehicle. That's exactly why I shied away from a used early-ish i3 vs. the Volt.

I know BMW is not known for their legendary quality/longevity, but I feel like modern vehicles have really the bed in that respect. My E70 was a total shitshow of widespread failures. The aftermarket warranty company took it on that one to the tune of $14k in 2 years.

I dont know how much volts gm sold, but it gets discontinued next year. It may be a decent and cheap car, that does not make i3 irrelevant. The i3 has it's flaws, but BMW is working at them month by month and it gets better and better. For 1.5 years and 10k miles(20k total) on my salvage 2015 I didnt have a single problem, ever.
You have never said what your X5 was, but my guess is it was 2007-2008 4.8i. Every single one of these is a lemon. For a contrast my salvage 2012 X5D is getting close to 100k miles, been 4 years/60k miles in my possession. With regular towing and 40% extra power i have had a zero problems with it.

[Def]

I dont know how much volts gm sold, but it gets discontinued next year. It may be a decent and cheap car, that does not make i3 irrelevant. The i3 has it's flaws, but BMW is working at them month by month and it gets better and better. For 1.5 years and 10k miles(20k total) on my salvage 2015 I didnt have a single problem, ever.
You have never said what your X5 was, but my guess is it was 2007-2008 4.8i. Every single one of these is a lemon. For a contrast my salvage 2012 X5D is getting close to 100k miles, been 4 years/60k miles in my possession. With regular towing and 40% extra power i have had a zero problems with it.

E70 35i with the N55. The N55 was a leaky SOB, but no real major issues with it thankfully. The driveline and chassis was a total POS. Transfer case and electrical gremlins/parts the bed abound. If I had a V8 (N62 or N63) version I probably would have run through the max value of warranty repairs in <18 months, as those things are total shows (again, reinforcing my point of modern BMW reliability).

There have been about 150k Volts sold in the past decade, and it's a pretty decent car for the pricepoint after dealer cash on the hood + rebates (MSRP for the new model ranges from $33-42k).

I don't deny the i3 is a cool car, that's actually why I'll *maybe* consider one in the future, but almost surely used, and even then I don't know if I can put up with another out of factory warranty BMW.


I'll be honest, not sure I can go to another solely ICE car for my daily commute. I love the instant electric torque and just quietly cruising along with no hunting of gears or hesitation on power. The X5 was getting a whopping 10-11 mpg in winter due to cold start enrichment, so I'm basically driving the Volt "for free" at this point vs. that thing.

[Mannyf540]

Here my feeling !! Wish I could afford one ! Lol

[Chinman]

I heard early i3's had plastic electric motor mounts that broke frequently, which totally sounds like modern BMW doing some downright stupid to save maybe a few dollars per vehicle.

Since it doesn't have a water pump, they had to put the plastic somewhere.

[Def]

Since it doesn't have a water pump, they had to put the plastic somewhere.

The sad thing is they probably have a ridiculous amount of plastic in the cooling system (batteries and electronic controls are almost always liquid cooled in EVs). Maybe it doesn't get hot enough to just fall apart like ICE powered BMWs.

[1979TransAm]

The M2 looks cool. I3 is neat. Nothing else is interesting to me at least.

E30, e34 and e38 are classics at this point.

[KOTULCN]

Wow, 20 posts and no one mentioning on-topic?


The F30 I had had pretty good power with a little Dinan piggyback tune, I was averaging close to 500 miles on a tank of gas. The plastic was one of my biggest pet peeves. I went 99% towards buying a 2019 X3 M-Sport. Really impressed with the power they’re getting out of the newer DI engines they are using. The tech/features of the new Bimmers is definitely top of the class. The deal breaker for me the plastic interior.

[bawareca]

I'll be honest, not sure I can go to another solely ICE car for my daily commute. I love the instant electric torque and just quietly cruising along with no hunting of gears or hesitation on power. The X5 was getting a whopping 10-11 mpg in winter due to cold start enrichment, so I'm basically driving the Volt "for free" at this point vs. that thing.

I dont know if the electrics are the future, but for sure they are different world. I enjoy driving my other cars, but for the city driving i would get the i3 any day.
Back on the topic, the newest models are getting too complicated and owning out of warranty may become too expensive. That would bite the manufacturers in the ass, because they rely on the sale of a used car after it is back from lease, and also make some income from parts sales after the car is out of warranty.

[Skwisgaar]

I just bought a used Audi. What do you think?

Also, topic is on topic. Get ready for the tow.

[auaq]

2 series / M2 keeps my interests in modern BMW's.

[Tomcat104]

F30 3 series was disappointing. So was the F10 5 series.

Word is that the G20 3 series will recapture some of the old feel of the 3 series in terms of steering and handling. We'll see whether that is true when the reviews come out.

[daveo228i]

If 2015 is still considered ‘newer’, I like the 228i. Driving, handling, acceleration and just plain fun.


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[beshannon]

Not very well

[m3bs]

Looking for a replacement for my wife’s F25 X3. It says something that I’m cross shopping BMW with Hyundai. Really BMW, making me pay a subscription fee for CarPlay? It’s not a lot of money, but when everyone else includes it..... The driving experience in the new cars is lacking, and I can’t see paying a premium for a badge.

Drove a friend’s M2C last week, and was unimpressed. Took the back road home in my Golf R and was reminded of just how good the R is.

[KOTULCN]

Looking for a replacement for my wife’s F25 X3. It says something that I’m cross shopping BMW with Hyundai. Really BMW, making me pay a subscription fee for CarPlay? It’s not a lot of money, but when everyone else includes it..... The driving experience in the new cars is lacking, and I can’t see paying a premium for a badge.

Drove a friend’s M2C last week, and was unimpressed. Took the back road home in my Golf R and was reminded of just how good the R is.

BMW is the only manufacturer using CarPlay as a subscription model. I will say that wireless CarPlay is nice. Not many manufacturers have that.

[gerry1000]

What is BMW going to do about the kidney shaped grilles when grilles are obsolete?

[xxxxxxx]

They are huge. They are heavy. They look awful.

Don't want any of the bells and whistles.

BMW has lost its soul.

[beshannon]

I will say that wireless CarPlay is nice. Not many manufacturers have that.

My wifes Honda has it, works fine, no cost

[KOTULCN]

My wifes Honda has it, works fine, no cost

What model/year does she have wireless CarPlay in?

[beshannon]

What model/year does she have wireless CarPlay in?

2018 Accord Touring

According to Apple these are the models that have it

2016 - 2018 Accord
2016 - 2018 Civic
2017 - 2018 Ridgeline
2017 - 2018 CR-V
2017 - 2018 Pilot
2018 Odyssey
2018 Fit
2019 Insight

https://www.apple.com/ios/carplay/available-models/

[KOTULCN]

2018 Accord Touring

According to Apple these are the models that have it

2016 - 2018 Accord
2016 - 2018 Civic
2017 - 2018 Ridgeline
2017 - 2018 CR-V
2017 - 2018 Pilot
2018 Odyssey
2018 Fit
2019 Insight

https://www.apple.com/ios/carplay/available-models/

I am talking about wireless CarPlay, as in you don’t have to plug your phone into the vehicle with a lightning cable.

[beshannon]

I am talking about wireless CarPlay, as in you don’t have to plug your phone into the vehicle with a lightning cable.

Sorry, did not see that.

[m3bs]

Well, despite my reservations about the brand, I just ordered an X5. Glutton for punishment, I guess.

[KOTULCN]

Well, despite my reservations about the brand, I just ordered an X5. Glutton for punishment, I guess.

Did you get the self parking option? That and the 360 surround view is legit badass.

[m3bs]

I did, although I’m not sure how much control I’m ready to turn over to the car. Call me old school. Or maybe just old....

[KOTULCN]

I did, although I’m not sure how much control I’m ready to turn over to the car. Call me old school. Or maybe just old....

I’d definitely schedule a session with Genius when you pick it up.

[m3bs]

I’d definitely schedule a session with Genius when you pick it up.

Will probably go one better and do Performance Center delivery again. Genius can provide refresher course!