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gjmascoli
11-04-2017, 03:26 PM
Hi folks, been away for a long while but still driving the 1990 e34, now with 246k miles.

M20 engine, 5-speed

Cold start always requires 2-5sec of cranking for the past 7 years.....I think maybe need a new fuel pressure regulator, but I've ignored this. Starts right up when warm.

Over the past year or so I seemed to have hesitation under load, but only on cold and wet mornings. Often coincided with a nearly empty fuel tank so I always thought moisture in the fuel lines....cleared it up with some fuel line drier into the tank.

Recently (last 4-6 weeks) the hesitation and rough running under load was still intermittent but happening more, always in the morning and within the first 5-10 miles of driving. Symptoms seemed to be similar to a possible slipping clutch, but the car stalls instantly if I release to clutch in 2nd gear while stationary. NOTE: clutch may be original with 246k miles. I haven't replaced and I bought car with 175k.

Very occasionally CEL will illuminate, used to be just a flash, now it stays on for 5-10sec and then goes off. Seems to come on more often recently.

This past week fuel mileage has dropped from 21mpg to 18.5mpg all on my normal drive to/from work on backroads.

TODAY: 5 miles into drive this morning (dry morning but 40F) the car starts hesitating and running rough as I traveled up a slight incline. About 1 mile later on flat ground engine stalled. I pulled over, waited 5 minutes, cranked engine, started right up, and drove home with no issues. Many red lights along the way, no issues, ran fine.

Checked the Crank Position Sensor resistance between prongs 1 & 2. Got 0 Ohms vs spec 540+/-10%.....so the CPS seems shot. BUT: car starts with the CPS plugged in, car ALSO starts with CPS unplugged....idles fine in both instances, so this seems weird to me.

Stomp Test threw the 1221 code today - O2 Sensor (I do smell gas, running rich)

I don't seem to have vacuum leak, I check by spraying Carb cleaner on various vacuum hoses.

So:
1) I will replace 02 sensor based on stomp test

2) Why is the computer not also throwing 1243 -Crank Pulse Sensor?

3) the CPS is cheap, will replace, BUT can anyone tell me why a bad CPS is not causing me more grief? Seems I shouldn't even be able to get the car started.

4) I will replace the fuel regulator....I assume that will help the cold start by keeping the fuel lines pressurized

5) Some google searches also mention Idle Control Valve, should I bother? I don't usually just throw parts at a problem

6) Have also seem posts about the Brake Booster drain getting plugged and water being drawn into the Intake....since I have often had the problem on cold and wet conditions, is this a legitimate issue? How to check that drain?

7) I think the clutch is fine

Thoughts?

ross1
11-05-2017, 08:24 AM
Your symptoms are more indicative of a failing(ed) fuel pump. Replacing the regulator will not fix this.
O2 sensor replacement is part of maintenance so go ahead with that, a lazy one will contribute to poor fuel economy.
Perhaps clean the ICV
Crank sensor works or not but sometimes intermittent, I see no indication yours is faulty
Brake booster on the e34 isn't subject to flooding as the E39 can be with clogged drains.
Clutch has nothing to do with any engine running issues.

I'd begin by checking fuel pressure while running and also check after standing. Your long cranking times are screaming weak fuel pump. I suspect a new one will clear many if not all of your troubles.

Mykk
11-05-2017, 09:22 AM
When was the last tune up; Fuel & air filter change, Spark plugs, wires, cap, rotor. Throttlebody and IAC cleaning. Perhaps even check distributor phasing/ ignition timing check. Also, do those vane air meters require maintenance, cleaning, service?

gjmascoli
11-05-2017, 11:50 AM
Thanks for the responses Ross & Mykk

The input regarding the fuel pump makes sense, especially as related to the cold cranking to get started....it does seem to take some additional cranking recently.

Last tune up has been some time: plugs probably have 50k on them, air & fuel filters have 30k on them, wires/cap/rotor 50k.

I'm thinking I do need to replace those for a thorough tune up, but I'm leaning towards the fuel pump as the culprit since the problem is intermittent but getting more frequent.

gjmascoli
12-15-2017, 11:03 PM
It was the fuel pump. Giant crack in the housing, don't know how it was working at all. Replaced the O2 sensor also. Running better than it has in the 7 years I've owned!

Jackson42
12-17-2017, 10:36 PM
It was the fuel pump. Giant crack in the housing, don't know how it was working at all. Replaced the O2 sensor also. Running better than it has in the 7 years I've owned!

Bravo! Glad to hear it's running well again - recently had a similar problem with my E30 M20 - with 510,000+ on the odometer. Replaced the regulator and fuel pump; good for another half million.