E38 vs E38

[1fatcat]

So would you guys rather have a 740 V8 or a 750 V12?

Also, why did BMW call them both an E38 if they had very different engines?

[WarMachine7]

Because they had the same of everything else? Lol. 750 all the way btw.

[Jckol]

750 any day. If only BMW produced the 750i here in the states...

[Sobek]

E38 is a chassis code I believe. I would personally have the 4.0L M60 from the 95 build E38's. A chip tune and hell, if money permits, a supercharger... no doubt about it. Such bulletproof setup.

[TheLadiesMan]

I'd take the v12. M62TU is a horrible engine to live with.

[WarMachine7]

E38 is a chassis code I believe. I would personally have the 4.0L M60 from the 95 build E38's. A chip tune and hell, if money permits, a supercharger... no doubt about it. Such bulletproof setup.

Oh yes

[Evilyeti]

I'd rather have a E38 730d, but if it had to be 740 or 750, i'd pick the 740.

[psjr]

Honestly the interior is mostly what I care about, and the 750 is the only way to get the full leather interior, power rear seats, dual pane, extra wood, etc.
When all I owned was a 740 I thought the interior was fantastic and classy, but now that I have 750s, 740 interiors all feel so cheap.

The extra torque and smoothness of the 750 is nice but I think the 740 (especially pre-facelift) sounds better, and the weight difference is noticeable.

[Sobek]

I'd rather have a E38 730d, but if it had to be 740 or 750, i'd pick the 740.

What about the 740d? Middle-of-the-road horsepower at 240hp, but it stomps even the V12 as far as torque is concerned with an extra 50lb-ft (413 vs the M73's 361). I think that'd be a lot of fun actually...

[sealbeach740]

E38 gas powered = 740 (8 cylinder) or 750 (12 cylinder).
E39 gas powered = 540 (8 cylinder) or 525, 528 or 530 (6 cylinder).

I've driven a 750iL & much prefer the 740. To me, the 750iL is just to nose heavy (not that the 740 isn't nose heavy....just a little less so).

[sigtwenty]

I want a v12 to say I have a v12. But I rather deal with a v8.

[Jamos]

75 I for v 12 and interior.
love my 740i for looks, sound and bullet proof m60b40 with 5hp30 Trans.

[Evilyeti]

What about the 740d? Middle-of-the-road horsepower at 240hp, but it stomps even the V12 as far as torque is concerned with an extra 50lb-ft (413 vs the M73's 361). I think that'd be a lot of fun actually...

740d is regarded as the most expensive to maintain e38, atleast around here. I imagine it would be really nice to drive, but i definetly wouldn't want to own one. I see the 730d as the best compromise, since fuel is a LOT more expensive in relation to income around here, than it is in the USA :D

Edit: My 725tds is probably the slowest bmw ever from the 90s, but i didn't look for one on purpose, just happened to find this pile of junk for a reasonably good price.

[Binjammin]

Also, why did BMW call them both an E38 if they had very different engines?

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120420202012/glee/images/b/b5/Are-you-fucking-kidding-me.jpg

[xboss]

I'm also a huge interior guy and love my 750

The torque of the v12 when you want to pull from 40-80 MPH is fantastic which is the speed band I like to rock out but if you are into sportier off the line stuff it's no big deal since she is a very heavy beast and the v8 can do fine off the line.

[psjr]

I've driven a 750iL & much prefer the 740. To me, the 750iL is just to nose heavy (not that the 740 isn't nose heavy....just a little less so).

Yep, there is a noticeable difference in nose-heaviness.

[Das Leg]

750 all the way, leather galore and v12, it's not a sporty car to begin with so if it's a little more nose heavy doesn't bother me at all, I think it handles just fine for such a big boat. The V12 is less prone to trouble aswell and the character of the engine is just fantastic, smooth as silk and strong as hell, would love to have it mated to a more modern gearbox however, or a manual would be awesome. But I will admit that the v8 sounds a little better.

[740il97g]

I have a 740il m62tu with all 750 parts duel pan windows. All leather interior and chrome line as well. All I need is m5 donor car and I'll have what I consider the ultimate e38.

[Shaundonn]

I've always wanted to own a v12

[Flying740iL]

I've owned a bunch of Jaguar V12s. There's nothing like a 12, and if you haven't owned one, it's a good life experience. But that means 12 spark plugs, a loooong engine, and they're heavy. When we bought the 740iL, I didn't see much reason to look for a 750, although we could have afforded it. The 740 drives very nicely, has great torque, and is easier to find. Plus gets decent mileage. Works for me.

[BigBodiedBimmer]

I remember reading that the m73 only weighs 30 pounds more than the m62

[board57796]

750. I've owned 2, and the interior is great, not to mention the V12. I'm always surprised when I get into a 740 how noticeable the interior quality difference is. I rarely notice things like that, but having driven a 750 for so long and getting into a 740, it was a pretty stark difference - especially the dash and door panels.

Maybe the nose weighs a little more, but we aren't talking about a Miata or Lotus Elise. Putting a V12 into one of those, yes I can see arguments about the nose-heaviness affecting the enjoyment of the car, but these are 2+ ton cars either way you slice it.

[KenR740]

The 740 is already a gas hog and you don't give up that many MPGs with the 750. If I'm gonna drive a gas guzzler it might as well be the biggest, baddest gas guzzler. I want a 750.

[Flying740iL]

I get 20 MPG on my commuting cycle, which is amix of city and highway. The Avalanche gets 14 for the same. I wouldn't call my 740 a gas hog.

[BOBS750il]

I remember reading that the m73 only weighs 30 pounds more than the m62
This is why I was chuckling when I read the weight comment. There really isn't enough difference to make it that noticeable. Especially in the nose, since like any other BMW vehicle the E38 is pretty much evenly distributed as far as weight goes.

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[iDreadnaught]

Having both in the driveway, I honestly prefer the V8. If someone cracked the V12 ECU maybe I'd change my mind. 750 interior wins hands down though.

[maddoggyusa]

I want a v12 to say I have a v12. But I rather deal with a v8.


I think this sums it up. Also, a 6-speed swap in the v12 doesn't seem very common. Or is it the same amount of work?

[DUDMD]

Having both in the driveway, I honestly prefer the V8. If someone cracked the V12 ECU maybe I'd change my mind. 750 interior wins hands down though.

Done,
I offer v12 tunes
Mid 97 - 01

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[me78569]

I think this sums it up. Also, a 6-speed swap in the v12 doesn't seem very common. Or is it the same amount of work?

6 speeds need to come from a e31 to bolt up to the v12 so it is hard to find the tranny to do the swap.

[BOBS750il]

6 speeds need to come from a e31 to bolt up to the v12 so it is hard to find the tranny to do the swap.
There's a 6spd swap kit you can buy. Includes everything. A bit pricy at $3500 but it's bolt in and go.

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[BOBS750il]

Idk why anyone would want the V8. To many problems and expensive ones at that. I'll keep my trouble free V12. Normal maintenance is all mine requires and I don't have to worry about my timing guides every time I start my car or have people think it's a diesel because of the vanos or timing tensioner.

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[xboss]

Idk why anyone would want the V8. To many problems and expensive ones at that. I'll keep my trouble free V12. Normal maintenance is all mine requires and I don't have to worry about my timing guides every time I start my car or have people think it's a diesel because of the vanos or timing tensioner.

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yep, my V12 runs like new with 159k on it.

[Qsilver7]

...why did BMW call them both an E38 if they had very different engines?
Hmmm...looks like someone needs to google BMW class nomenclature. :D

The "E" (and now "F") class nomenclature is an in-house naming of the "model generation". It quickly identifies which generation (new & old) that you're referring to.

One could own a "7 series"...but it could have a model year from the 80's all the way to present (e23/e32/e38/e65-e66-e67/f01-f02-f03). Having the E & now F class nomenclature quickly identifies which body type 7 series is being discussed. It used to be easier (in my opinion) when the entire generation had the same "E" nomenclature, but now, especially going into the "F" body nomenclature...BMW has a separate number for each body type (SWB/LWB/Hybrid/Coupe/Sedan/Touring/Convertible/GranTouring/GranCoupe).

The "engine" still doesn't matter as to what "E or F" number is assigned..but the body style does. Here's a link to a (2011) UK magazine article that lists all of the E & F body code names (as of the 2011 date it was published): http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/news/search-results/industry-news/all-the-bmw-e-and-f-codenames-explained/

[blackknight530i]

I like my 749i/6, but I'm weird like that :)

Better reliability than the M62TU, more power than the M73, short wheel base for handling and lighter weight, but requires swapping most of the good interior stuff from the 750il.

[Binjammin]

Hmmm...looks like someone needs to google BMW class nomenclature. :D

The "E" (and now "F") class nomenclature is an in-house naming of the "model generation". It quickly identifies which generation (new & old) that you're referring to.

One could own a "7 series"...but it could have a model year from the 80's all the way to present (e23/e32/e38/e65-e66-e67/f01-f02-f03). Having the E & now F class nomenclature quickly identifies which body type 7 series is being discussed. It used to be easier (in my opinion) when the entire generation had the same "E" nomenclature, but now, especially going into the "F" body nomenclature...BMW has a separate number for each body type (SWB/LWB/Hybrid/Coupe/Sedan/Touring/Convertible/GranTouring/GranCoupe).

The "engine" still doesn't matter as to what "E or F" number is assigned..but the body style does. Here's a link to a (2011) UK magazine article that lists all of the E & F body code names (as of the 2011 date it was published): http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/news/search-results/industry-news/all-the-bmw-e-and-f-codenames-explained/

Gotta love BMW. :rolleyes

I've heard "Entwicklung" defined as Series, evolution, iteration... they all mean about the same thing though in context

What does F stand for? It's one more down the line than E. It might as well stand for "F you, tradition".

[Jamos]

"It might as well stand for "F you, tradition"." HAH!

[jbimflyer]

LOL... The platform is still an e38 regardless of cylinders & amenities

[dburt86]

the V8's are great

if you like incredibly expensive timing chain guides and transmissions that are guarnteed to fail, and interiors that are leaps and bounds behind the v12 models.

[Jamos]

Again, ONLY in the later E38 V8 models, the originals had the good bits! Stronger motors (not as powerful, barely) and stronger transmissions. I accepted a spot of rust on the rear fender in exchange for mechanical longevity!

[jbimflyer]

LOL... I broke that tranny when I was only making 10lbs of boost. Level 10 was inevitable for me.

[dburt86]

Again, ONLY in the later E38 V8 models, the originals had the good bits! Stronger motors (not as powerful, barely) and stronger transmissions. I accepted a spot of rust on the rear fender in exchange for mechanical longevity!

Im with you on that one, but you still dont have sweet interiors that even the later 740's had. And even those later 740's dont have the nice interior of the v12


Im a 740 owner, and maybe its the "grass is always greener on the other side", but it looks REALLY green from over here lol

[Flying740iL]

I'm happy I ended up with a non-VANOS engine and a 5HP30, but the newer interior would be nice.

Either way, driving the car puts a smile on my face, so I'm happy.

[Qsilver7]

Gotta love BMW. :rolleyes ... What does F stand for? It's one more down the line than E. It might as well stand for "F you, tradition".

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

But seriously, I believe BMW went with "F" because it was the next alpha character in line...plus they had used up all the numerical suffixes...so they would have started duplicating the "E" nomenclature if they started back with e01, e02, e03 etc.

Another tidbit in the class nomenclature...just because a number jumps...doesn't mean that it doesn't exist...the missing e_ _ and now f_ _ means that it didn't make it through to production.

For instance, the new 4-door 640/650GC (gran coupe) was started before the 2-door 6 series...which is evident in it's "F" class nomenclature. The 6GC is an F06..whereas the 2-door convertible & coupe are the F12 & F13 (respectively). :confused

[Binjammin]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

But seriously, I believe BMW went with "F" because it was the next alpha character in line...plus they had used up all the numerical suffixes...so they would have started duplicating the "E" nomenclature if they started back with e01, e02, e03 etc.

Another tidbit in the class nomenclature...just because a number jumps...doesn't mean that it doesn't exist...the missing e_ _ and now f_ _ means that it didn't make it through to production.

For instance, the new 4-door 640/650GC (gran coupe) was started before the 2-door 6 series...which is evident in it's "F" class nomenclature. The 6GC is an F06..whereas the 2-door convertible & coupe are the F12 & F13 (respectively). :confused

I'm pretty sure of a few things... first, the e9x chassis was the last of the "e" designations. I'm pretty sure that numerically, we can count higher than 90 before running out and cycling to F. E meant something, F is literally just the next in line. It's a marketing choice, plain and simple. Someone at BMW said "We've been doing the E thing for like 40 years now, we should F things up.

Don't believe me?

http://burgertuning.com/BMW_chassis_codes.html

There have been 45 different "E" code chassis since 1968 when they started using that designation.

There's been 24 different "F" code chassis since 08 when they switched.



Convinced yet?

[blackknight530i]

I'm pretty sure the e65/e66 chassis were the first to differentiate the submodels, e60/e61 followed as well as e63/e64 and e90/e91/e92/e93. It's just that there's even more differentiation with the F codes.

[roys740]

I love them both but would rather have a 750

[Qsilver7]

I'm pretty sure ... we can count higher than 90 before running out and cycling to F. E meant something, F is literally just the next in line. It's a marketing choice, plain and simple. Someone at BMW said "We've been doing the E thing for like 40 years now, we should F things up.

Don't believe me?

http://burgertuning.com/BMW_chassis_codes.html

There have been 45 different "E" code chassis since 1968 when they started using that designation.

There's been 24 different "F" code chassis since 08 when they switched.



Convinced yet?

The E & F codes aren't really intended for the "general market"...they are more of an in-house thing. Those outside of BMW that use these codes are mostly BMW fan/owners...and we use them like BMW does...to quickly identify which generation that's being discussed etc....there's lots of owners that only buy them because they're "pretty" (well...that's suspect from the beggining because since the Banglization era...there ain't been that many "pretty" BMWs :rolleyes: )...and they have no clue what the E and F nomenclature means. (there's so many of them now...I'm starting to fall into that category! :rofl: )

But back to the e99...and why the f01 instead of the e100/e101 etc...not denying that anything your wrote isn't incorrect...I can speculate there are multiple reasons why they changed to F_ _. For instance...it could be as simple as the in-house coding software only allowed for 3 digts...let's say "_ _ _"...and to go to "E100" could mean a software rewrite. Why spend money on rewriting the software for design & engineering...and all the other departments...when you can just go to the next alpha character "F"...and start back over at "01".

Just say'n....not agreeing or disagreeing with the change-over to the F nomenclature. But I'm sure there were multiple reason for doing so. :D I do wish BMW would have stayed with an F nomenclature representing the entire generational body style...instead of breaking each platform within a body style into it's on F class. And I'm totally lost on separating the 3 series into a 4-door & creating the 4 series as the 2-door coupe version...then turning around and creating a 4-door 4 series GC (gran coupe)? :dunno

[Binjammin]

The E & F codes aren't really intended for the "general market"...they are more of an in-house thing. Those outside of BMW that use these codes are mostly BMW fan/owners...and we use them like BMW does...to quickly identify which generation that's being discussed etc....there's lots of owners that only buy them because they're "pretty" (well...that's suspect from the beggining because since the Banglization era...there ain't been that many "pretty" BMWs :rolleyes: )...and they have no clue what the E and F nomenclature means. (there's so many of them now...I'm starting to fall into that category! :rofl: )

But back to the e99...and why the f01 instead of the e100/e101 etc...not denying that anything your wrote isn't incorrect...I can speculate there are multiple reasons why they changed to F_ _. For instance...it could be as simple as the in-house coding software only allowed for 3 digts...let's say "_ _ _"...and to go to "E100" could mean a software rewrite. Why spend money on rewriting the software for design & engineering...and all the other departments...when you can just go to the next alpha character "F"...and start back over at "01".

Just say'n....not agreeing or disagreeing with the change-over to the F nomenclature. But I'm sure there were multiple reason for doing so. :D I do wish BMW would have stayed with an F nomenclature representing the entire generational body style...instead of breaking each platform within a body style into it's on F class. And I'm totally lost on separating the 3 series into a 4-door & creating the 4 series as the 2-door coupe version...then turning around and creating a 4-door 4 series GC (gran coupe)? :dunno

Well, the odd/even chassis break is just further evidence, that was done to compete on the same playing field as audi. It almost makes sense in the 2 door/4 door odd/even model, except I'll never get why they went that way to create the 3 as a 4 door, and the 4 as a coupe, considering the history of the 3. It all breaks down though, when you get to the 6 series Gran Coupe. Say what you will, BMW decided to throw away decades of tradition for no credible, obvious reason.

I can't imagine they have any system still in place that's old enough to be non-updatable in a 3 digit format y2k style.

[blackknight530i]

Just wait until we get to engine codes. Those are even more confusing/complex.

[Sobek]

Idk why anyone would want the V8. To many problems and expensive ones at that. I'll keep my trouble free V12. Normal maintenance is all mine requires and I don't have to worry about my timing guides every time I start my car or have people think it's a diesel because of the vanos or timing tensioner.

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Got none of those problems on my M60 :cool

But as for the interior, of course, everyone drools over the V12 stuff (well, the European V12 stuff, never ceases to amaze me that you US guys only got standard leather 99% of the time!). Still, I've got my VIP curtains in the back and a number of 750 wood bits... easy stuff to retrofit when you find a good deal so overall it's no big deal I think! Now for that RHD leather dash...

[E38740iMD]

Pretty sure Fatcat trolled the mess out of yall...

But 750 none the less

[pizzaman09]

I want a super clean 98 750iL in black with style 4 wheels and all the options available in 98. I just think that is the classiest looking e38 money can buy.

I wouldn't complain if it had M-pars however and was a dark silver either.

[jbimflyer]

I love them both but would rather have a 750

They can keep the 750, the car is too heavy for me, the motor is a headache and more mechanically complex for minimal difference in power. Also a few Bimmer Tech friends of mine have said the motor sometimes seizes up if sat for too long... I'll keep my V8 thanx.

[barry8108]

I am a big 8 cyl fan, and with the short sport, it really is the best e38. I can not stand the longer IL, just looks wrong. With the sport setup, it handles like a sport sedan should, it leaps off the line, and just looks great.

[MJ DOOM]

I am a big 8 cyl fan, and with the short sport, it really is the best e38. I can not stand the longer IL, just looks wrong. With the sport setup, it handles like a sport sedan should, it leaps off the line, and just looks great.

If it aint a IL its no point in a 7 imo. I would rather have a e39 v8 than a short wheel based e38.

[Sobek]

If it aint a IL its no point in a 7 imo. I would rather have a e39 v8 than a short wheel based e38.

I have to agree. The E38's not a sporty sedan in the slightest, go big or go home... Personally I find the short wheelbase version to be almost pointless - children can barely fit their legs back there, let alone an adult!! Might as well get a cheaper, sportier, faster E39 if that's what you're really after!

[BOBS750il]

They can keep the 750, the car is too heavy for me, the motor is a headache and more mechanically complex for minimal difference in power. Also a few Bimmer Tech friends of mine have said the motor sometimes seizes up if sat for too long... I'll keep my V8 thanx. Lol! Guess you've missed a few posts and threads for that matter. Maybe its time to start a thread just on headache comparison between the 12 and 8. The 12 will win with far less headaches. I own a 12 and have worked on all versions of the 8. I can tell you first hand that the 12 is by far less troublesome than the 8 and also from my experience cheaper to operate and maintain when you factor in the 8's multitude of common catastrophic failures. And once again I'll point out that the weight difference is actually not as drastic as it's being exagerated to be. I don't know the exact numbers but its less than the weight of a single average passenger. Theres no complexity to the 12. Its the other way around which is why the 8 was changed so much and still fails to stand up to the reliabilty of the 12. But in the end with even all of those known facts the 750 is just better equipped and more bang for the buck from the factory than any 740 that came stock.

[1fatcat]

Pretty sure Fatcat trolled the mess out of yall...

LOL, I've heard the term "troll" but I've never actually known what it meant. At any rate, I don't think I was trying to troll. I originally started this thread to see if you guys prefer 8 cylinders or 12.

edit

Also, if a 740 is a v8 and a 750 is a v12, then why do you guys all call both of them an e38? I mean, I understand now that they are both an e38 body, but wouldn't it be easier to refer to the two as "740" and "750" versus saying "my e38"?

I know GM had many different cars that were built on the same body platform, like the "H" body could have been a Bonneville, an Olds 88, or a LeSabre but nobody went around saying "my H body", or "my 98 H".

Those cars are referred to by their name, not their body platform.

BMW is weird. And I have no clue yet as to how the engines are labeled...but I can already tell it's confusing.

[Das Leg]

I have to agree. The E38's not a sporty sedan in the slightest, go big or go home... Personally I find the short wheelbase version to be almost pointless - children can barely fit their legs back there, let alone an adult!! Might as well get a cheaper, sportier, faster E39 if that's what you're really after!

iL's are uncommon in Europe, my 750 is a swb, which imo looks better, but I agree to some extent that if u want a luxury barge you might aswell go big, regarding interior space tho you're wrong, I'm not a big man by any standards at 180cm (5'12"?) and 65 kilos and I can fit just fine behing my own settings in the back seat with a full 5 inces atleast to spare before my knees hit the back of the seat, and I have friends that are 6'6" and can fit in comfort in the back, the e38 is large. E39's do nothing for me unless it has a s62 in it.

[Chief Rocka]

If it aint a IL its no point in a 7 imo. I would rather have a e39 v8 than a short wheel based e38.
Amen to this! That's how see it to if your gonna go big, go BIG or go home period.

[Cobrajet429]

If it aint a IL its no point in a 7 imo. I would rather have a e39 v8 than a short wheel based e38.

Agreed.

as for 740vs 750, the 750 wins Big time in durability and really every category except for fuel economy. I do enjoy getting 25 mpg out of my 740 if doing mostly interstate driving. I think I've heard some reports though of some 750s getting the same 19.5 around town that I get. If I could have found a 750 before I found mine, I would have bought it. Price difference is really negligible because of all the added repairs on the V8.

[Binjammin]

At first he was all like...


LOL, I've heard the term "troll" but I've never actually known what it meant.

But then...


Also, if a 740 is a v8 and a 750 is a v12, then why do you guys all call both of them an e38?

[WarMachine7]

At first he was all like...

But then...



Lmfao rofl

[mboor]

750, no contest. The only reason id consider a 740 is to hack up the exhaust to get that lovely V8 sound...

[Das Leg]

Amen to this! That's how see it to if your gonna go big, go BIG or go home period.

Buy a L7 Verkspanzer then, they are bigger still ;)

[xboss]

750, no contest. The only reason id consider a 740 is to hack up the exhaust to get that lovely V8 sound...

Never going to sound like a v8! The ignition pattern and frequency is way diff.

[mboor]

Never going to sound like a v8! The ignition pattern and frequency is way diff.

No, a 740 will never sound like my Oldsmobile 455. But I have heard a few 740's with custom exhaust that sound SWEET!

[Strahan]

Get both :) If I couldn't have both though, I probably would get a 750iL. I like my 740, but I regret not getting the extra legroom of an iL and if I'm gonna go that route, may as well get the 750 then.



The E & F codes aren't really intended for the "general market"...they are more of an in-house thing. Those outside of BMW that use these codes are mostly BMW fan/owners...and we use them like BMW does...to quickly identify which generation that's being discussed etc....there's lots of owners that only buy them because they're "pretty" (well...that's suspect from the beggining because since the Banglization era...there ain't been that many "pretty" BMWs :rolleyes: )...and they have no clue what the E and F nomenclature means. (there's so many of them now...I'm starting to fall into that category! :rofl: )

I called a dealer once to ask about getting a grill, I said I needed a pre 99 E38 grill set. He said "uhh.. what series is that, 5? 7?". I was shocked someone could work in a dealer parts dept and not be familiar with them, lol.

[pizzaman09]

I know GM had many different cars that were built on the same body platform, like the "H" body could have been a Bonneville, an Olds 88, or a LeSabre but nobody went around saying "my H body", or "my 98 H".

Those cars are referred to by their name, not their body platform.

BMW is weird. And I have no clue yet as to how the engines are labeled...but I can already tell it's confusing.

I never thought anyone else on this forum aside from me would ever bring up an H body car. I have a 1999 Oldsmobile 88.

The difference between GM's chassis codes and BMW's chassis codes is BMW only used one per car where as GM used once chassis for 3 or 4 different cars at the same time. Comparing a 740iL to a 750iL is like comparing an Oldsmobile 88 to an Oldsmobile 88 LSS, both are the same car but with different engines.

In the end we have to classify our cars somehow, it is a lot quicker to say you have an e38 then it is to say you have a 740i, of which then you would have to specify the year for people to know what car exactly you are talking about. There has been a 740i in 3 generations of 7 series, the e32, e38, and F01.

[Cobrajet429]

I never thought anyone else on this forum aside from me would ever bring up an H body car. I have a 1999 Oldsmobile 88. The difference between GM's chassis codes and BMW's chassis codes is BMW only used one per car where as GM used once chassis for 3 or 4 different cars at the same time. Comparing a 740iL to a 750iL is like comparing an Oldsmobile 88 to an Oldsmobile 88 LSS, both are the same car but with different engines. In the end we have to classify our cars somehow, it is a lot quicker to say you have an e38 then it is to say you have a 740i, of which then you would have to specify the year for people to know what car exactly you are talking about. There has been a 740i in 3 generations of 7 series, the e32, e38, and F01.

Actually, most car guys know the chassis designations. If you say for instance G body GM or fox body Ford for example, everybody knows what years and cars you are talking about.

[Sparky Gage]

I have an 8 because it was the right car, right place, right time, right price. Would like a 12 but am not disappointed with the 8. I read some threads and started a few (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?2054804-V8-vs-V12-Buyers-Guide-What-are-we-really-looking-at) and talked to a few owners in person. I also drove a few of each. I would take the right 12 in a heartbeat, but feel I'll be just as happy with the 8 for the type of driving I do at this time.

And my oldest son has made it clear he is willing to take my 8 off my hands when I do find that right 12.

[E38740iMD]

LOL, I've heard the term "troll" but I've never actually known what it meant. At any rate, I don't think I was trying to troll. I originally started this thread to see if you guys prefer 8 cylinders or 12.

edit

Also, if a 740 is a v8 and a 750 is a v12, then why do you guys all call both of them an e38? I mean, I understand now that they are both an e38 body, but wouldn't it be easier to refer to the two as "740" and "750" versus saying "my e38"?

I know GM had many different cars that were built on the same body platform, like the "H" body could have been a Bonneville, an Olds 88, or a LeSabre but nobody went around saying "my H body", or "my 98 H".

Those cars are referred to by their name, not their body platform.

BMW is weird. And I have no clue yet as to how the engines are labeled...but I can already tell it's confusing.

Well I only say that cause you haven't replied since now. Had me thinking. No punches thrown lol

[1fatcat]

I never thought anyone else on this forum aside from me would ever bring up an H body car. I have a 1999 Oldsmobile 88.

The difference between GM's chassis codes and BMW's chassis codes is BMW only used one per car where as GM used once chassis for 3 or 4 different cars at the same time. Comparing a 740iL to a 750iL is like comparing an Oldsmobile 88 to an Oldsmobile 88 LSS, both are the same car but with different engines.

In the end we have to classify our cars somehow, it is a lot quicker to say you have an e38 then it is to say you have a 740i, of which then you would have to specify the year for people to know what car exactly you are talking about. There has been a 740i in 3 generations of 7 series, the e32, e38, and F01.

WOW! Maybe you guys don't understand how ALL car manufacturers work. They ALL make a "chassis" or a "platform" and give THAT PLATFORM a designated "code". That code may be just one letter, or it might be a series of letters and numbers.

Just because a car has a chassis code of "e38" does not mean it's the same car as another "e38 PLATFORM" car. All it means is that the car was built off of the same "platform" or "chassis" design. Think of it as a "frame" with very different body and engine options.

Just like GM does with their platform codes, an "F" body could be a Chevy Camaro or a Pontiac Firebird. An "N" body car could be an Olds Calais, a Buick Somerset, a Pontiac Grand Am, a Buick Skylark, an Olds Cutlass Calais, or an Olds Achieva. But nobody went around saying "Hey, check out my N body". NO! YOU CALLED IT THE NAME IT WAS GIVEN! NOT THE PLATFORM CODE!!!!!!!!!!!!

But at any rate, it's just a code. It was not meant to be used in the general public to refer to the make and model of their car! IT WAS A CHASSIS CODE!!! NOT A MODEL NAME!!!

Seems to me that you guys are all trying to over complicate things by referring to "MODELS" by their "CHASSIS CODE".

WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I read here that you all think these cars are already over complicated, but then you go and skip the "god given name" and refer to them by their "nomenclature" codes instead?!?!?!??!?!? WTF!!!

[Jamos]

K now he's trolling!

E38 is like saying LX for Chrysler 300, Charger, etc... LXforums.com is a link, as this link includes E38. E38 with a V6/V8/V12 is an E38. That's why they call them that. You can then call it a 730, 740, 750 and that says the engine type.

As for you folks saying NO POINT in SWB E38....... WHAT! I love the look, perfect dimensions IMO. I never realized how stretched out looking the iL's look until I had mine, I really find they look weird, and almost ugly now! But I agree, rear room is very limited for a, "BMW 7-Series" especially with these stupid seat backs with broken hinges haha.

I don't care, I sit in the front 100% of the time. In a car I drive 100% of the time, I don't need the extra weight and prefer the easier parking! :P

[Binjammin]

K now he's trolling!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H8sEwND9FY

[kulgan]

Funny how any discussion regarding 740 vrs 750 can end in a debate over length.

I'd happily sit in the back of one of your il's and be chauffeured around but when it comes to a driving(behind the wheel) experience I prefer the shorty. Here in NZ we have lots of tight twisting roads. Not a good combo when you're driving a limmo.

Besides. Most woman say it's not the length that counts it's the girth.
Given that. I luv my 740i but wish I had a 750i.

[1fatcat]

K now he's trolling!

E38 is like saying LX for Chrysler 300, Charger, etc... LXforums.com is a link, as this link includes E38. E38 with a V6/V8/V12 is an E38. That's why they call them that. You can then call it a 730, 740, 750 and that says the engine type.

OK, am I the only sane person on this board? If you can say "740" and determine from that you are talking about a v8 e38, or you can say "750" and determine you are talking about a v12 e38, THEN WHY WOULDN'T YOU JUST CALL IT A 740 OR A 750?!?!?!? WHY WOULD YOU CALL IT AN E38 AND THEN GO ON TO EXPLAIN WHICH ENGINE IT HAS?!?!?!?!?!?

[kulgan]

OK, am I the only sane person on this board? If you can say "740" and determine from that you are talking about a v8 e38, or you can say "750" and determine you are talking about a v12 e38, THEN WHY WOULDN'T YOU JUST CALL IT A 740 OR A 750?!?!?!? WHY WOULD YOU CALL IT AN E38 AND THEN GO ON TO EXPLAIN WHICH ENGINE IT HAS?!?!?!?!?!?



Because of this.


Model
Volume
Engine
Fuel
Power/Torque
Years produced
Produced


728i
2.8L
M52B28 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M52) I6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight-six_engine)
Petrol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrol)
142 kW (193 PS; 190 hp) / 280 N·m (207 lb·ft)
1996–2001
38947


728iL
2.8L
M52B28 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M52) I6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight-six_engine)
Petrol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrol)
142 kW (193 PS; 190 hp) / 280 N·m (207 lb·ft)
1996–2001
6816


730i
3.0L
M60B30 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M60) V8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8_engine)
Petrol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrol)
160 kW (218 PS; 215 hp) / 290 N·m (214 lb·ft)
1994–1996
20876


730iL
3.0L
M60B30 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M60) V8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8_engine)
Petrol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrol)
160 kW (218 PS; 215 hp) / 290 N·m (214 lb·ft)
1994–1996
2137


735i
3.5L
M62B35 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M62) V8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8_engine)
Petrol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrol)
173 kW (235 PS; 232 hp) / 320 N·m (236 lb·ft)
1994–1997
21481


735i
3.5L
M62TUB35 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M62) V8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8_engine)
Petrol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrol)
174 kW (237 PS; 233 hp) / 345 N·m (254 lb·ft)
1998–2001



735iL
3.5L
M62B35 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M62) V8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8_engine)
Petrol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrol)
173 kW (235 PS; 232 hp) / 320 N·m (236 lb·ft)
1994–1997
6963


735iL
3.5L
M62TUB35 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M62) V8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8_engine)
Petrol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrol)
174 kW (237 PS; 233 hp) / 345 N·m (254 lb·ft)
1998–2001



740i
4.0L
M60B40 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M60) V8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8_engine)
Petrol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrol)
210 kW (286 PS; 282 hp) / 400 N·m (295 lb·ft)
1994–1996



740iL
4.0L
M60B40 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M60) V8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8_engine)
Petrol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrol)
210 kW (286 PS; 282 hp) / 400 N·m (295 lb·ft)
1994–1996



740i
4.4L
M62B44 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M62) V8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8_engine)
Petrol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrol)
210 kW (286 PS; 282 hp) / 420 N·m (310 lb·ft)
1996–1998
88853


740i
4.4L
M62TUB44 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M62) V8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8_engine)
Petrol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrol)
210 kW (286 PS; 282 hp) / 440 N·m (325 lb·ft)
1998–2001



740iL
4.4L
M62B44 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M62) V8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8_engine)
Petrol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrol)
210 kW (286 PS; 282 hp) / 420 N·m (310 lb·ft)
1996–1998
91431


740iL
4.4L
M62TUB44 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M62) V8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8_engine)
Petrol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrol)
210 kW (286 PS; 282 hp) / 440 N·m (325 lb·ft)
1998–2001



750i-iL
5.4L
M73B54 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M73) V12 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V12_engine)
Petrol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrol)
240 kW (326 PS; 322 hp) / 490 N·m (361 lb·ft)
1995–1997
15759


750i-iL
5.4L
M73TUB54 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M73) V12 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V12_engine)
Petrol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrol)
240 kW (326 PS; 322 hp) / 490 N·m (361 lb·ft)
1998–2001
1032


725tds
2.5L
M51D25 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M51) turbocharged (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbocharger) I6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight-six_engine)
Diesel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_fuel)
105 kW (143 PS; 141 hp) / 280 N·m (207 lb·ft)
1995–2001
9053


730d
2.9L
M57D30 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M57) turbocharged (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbocharger) I6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight-six_engine)
Diesel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_fuel)
142 kW (193 PS; 190 hp) / 410 N·m (302 lb·ft)
1998–2001
12336


740d
3.9L
M67D40 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M67) turbocharged (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbocharger) V8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8_engine)
Diesel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_fuel)
180 kW (245 PS; 241 hp) / 560 N·m (413 lb·ft)
1998–2001
3450

[reckless7]

After owning 3 E38 750IL's, I have to say: The 12 separates the men from the boys. The interior is awesome, the motor is smooth, and the options reek class.

The 99-01 750IL goes down in my book as the best reliable sedan ever built. The W220 S600 holds the title in my book as the best sedan ever built but is unreliable.

[psjr]

OK, am I the only sane person on this board? If you can say "740" and determine from that you are talking about a v8 e38, or you can say "750" and determine you are talking about a v12 e38, THEN WHY WOULDN'T YOU JUST CALL IT A 740 OR A 750?!?!?!? WHY WOULD YOU CALL IT AN E38 AND THEN GO ON TO EXPLAIN WHICH ENGINE IT HAS?!?!?!?!?!?

Because a "740" is:
- An E32 4.0L V8
- An E38 4.4L V8
- The other E38 4.4L V8
- An E65 4.0L V8
- An F01 3.0L turbo I6

A "750" is:
- An E32 5.0L V12
- An E38 5.4L V12
- The other E38 5.4L V12
- An E65 4.8L V8
- An F01 4.4L Turbo V8

[Das Leg]

K now he's trolling!

E38 is like saying LX for Chrysler 300, Charger, etc... LXforums.com is a link, as this link includes E38. E38 with a V6/V8/V12 is an E38. That's why they call them that. You can then call it a 730, 740, 750 and that says the engine type.

As for you folks saying NO POINT in SWB E38....... WHAT! I love the look, perfect dimensions IMO. I never realized how stretched out looking the iL's look until I had mine, I really find they look weird, and almost ugly now! But I agree, rear room is very limited for a, "BMW 7-Series" especially with these stupid seat backs with broken hinges haha.

I don't care, I sit in the front 100% of the time. In a car I drive 100% of the time, I don't need the extra weight and prefer the easier parking! :P

Swb 750 is rarer aswell if that counts 8559 in total from 1995 to 2001 as opposed to 15759 for the iL. The same numbers for the 740i over it's life cycle is 88853 for the swb and 91431 for the iL

Both are lovely cars, will still stick with my bargain, very very low spec swb 750 ;)

[E38740iMD]

Because a "740" is:
- An E32 4.0L V8
- An E38 4.4L V8
- The other E38 4.4L V8
- An E65 4.0L V8
- An F01 3.0L turbo I6

A "750" is:
- An E32 5.0L V12
- An E38 5.4L V12
- The other E38 5.4L V12
- An E65 4.8L V8
- An F01 4.4L Turbo V8

This

there's different models of 740 and 750.

I see you only pointed out the e38s. It's the same for 535i, 328i. There's many Different ones which is easily deciphered which the chassis code.

you say: I own a 530i...

I say: which one?

You now say: e39.

I now say: sweet. I like that kind etc

[BMWtechnician]

V8 m62TU for me. Supercharged TU is more fun than the 12 cylinder IMHO.

As for the 750 interior options. Easy swapped to a great condition 740 to achieve an identical level of class.

[Cobrajet429]

OK, am I the only sane person on this board? If you can say "740" and determine from that you are talking about a v8 e38, or you can say "750" and determine you are talking about a v12 e38, THEN WHY WOULDN'T YOU JUST CALL IT A 740 OR A 750?!?!?!? WHY WOULD YOU CALL IT AN E38 AND THEN GO ON TO EXPLAIN WHICH ENGINE IT HAS?!?!?!?!?!?


You have to be kidding, a 749 and 750 are the same car just a different engine and trim package. 7 is the car and 40 is the motor (from the 4.0 in '95) and 50 for the 5.0 V12 just like a Mustang V6 and a Mustang Shelby GT500KR are the same car, just with different drivetrain and trim levels. The Only difference is, instead of using designations like GT or SS BMW put the engine designation in the model number, that doesn't mean it's a completely different, unrelated car. Sheesh.

[1fatcat]

you say: I own a 530i...

I say: which one?

You now say: e39.

I now say: sweet. I like that kind etc

OR

You say: I own a 1998 530i...

I now say: Sweet. I like that kind ect


See how there's no need to get the platform code involved.

[GMCPaul]

LOL Honestly what's it matter how the cars are referred to?? Mine are called my babies more than anything else. I've also when asked what I drive have used most of the terms available to describe it from replying a BMW, Bimmer, E38 , 750, 750iL, 7 series, and all were accurate. Geeze something in the wind at the end of July as it seems there's ALOT of negative energy on the board lately instead of the Positive reinforcement I enjoyed in the previous months here.
Paul

[E38740iMD]

Not everyone knows what model years of each generation.

And besides. There was no 98 530 in the U.S

[blackknight530i]

You have to be kidding, a 749 and 750 are the same car just a different engine and trim package. 7 is the car and 40 is the motor (from the 4.0 in '95) and 50 for the 5.0 V12 just like a Mustang V6 and a Mustang Shelby GT500KR are the same car, just with different drivetrain and trim levels. The Only difference is, instead of using designations like GT or SS BMW put the engine designation in the model number, that doesn't mean it's a completely different, unrelated car. Sheesh.
Lol, 749i is what I have and it's a bit of a unicorn with only a few like it :)

[1fatcat]

You have to be kidding, a 749 and 750 are the same car just a different engine and trim package. 7 is the car and 40 is the motor (from the 4.0 in '95) and 50 for the 5.0 V12 just like a Mustang V6 and a Mustang Shelby GT500KR are the same car, just with different drivetrain and trim levels. The Only difference is, instead of using designations like GT or SS BMW put the engine designation in the model number, that doesn't mean it's a completely different, unrelated car. Sheesh.

So do you Mustang guys go around saying:

"Hey, check out my D2C"
or
"Wow, nice S197 man!"

No, you don't. You call them Mustangs or Cobras or Shelby's.

[Nyc Dito]

this thread shows WHY car manufacturers make different combos on the same chassis. Some want V8's, some want V12's. BMW even went as far as to create a long version E60 for the Chinese Market. Yes you can get a LWB 530i. The market asked for it, they created it. E60 M5's werent originally going to be manual transmissions, but then guess what...WE (consumers) asked for it, and they made it.

point is, whether its a V8 or V12 (OR 6CYL), we all have OUR particular preference and i LOVE my V8. Would i get a 750IL, sure!...Why?..because its still a E38, but with different option trims.

- - - Updated - - -


Actually, most car guys know the chassis designations. If you say for instance G body GM or fox body Ford for example, everybody knows what years and cars you are talking about.

some of us show our age when we call older cars by their chassis codes haha

[Das Leg]

V8 m62TU for me. Supercharged TU is more fun than the 12 cylinder IMHO.

As for the 750 interior options. Easy swapped to a great condition 740 to achieve an identical level of class.

Apples and oranges.. Twin turbo v12 is more fun than a supercharged m62tu...

See what I did there? ;)

[Nyc Dito]

Apples and oranges.. Twin turbo v12 is more fun than a supercharged m62tu...

See what I did there? ;)

i have an old issue of either Roundel or some other magazine with a Dinan 850 TT...was like a $100k+ build back then... that must be ONE sick ride

[Cobrajet429]

So do you Mustang guys go around saying: "Hey, check out my D2C" or "Wow, nice S197 man!" No, you don't. You call them Mustangs or Cobras or Shelby's. Wrong, when most people called the shop and wanted me to build a car for them, they usually just referred to the chassis instead of the year. You don't know what you are talking about. Non car people don't refer to chassis code, but car guys do.

[Steve Sposato]

I had an e32 735i which I really enjoyed. I was specifically looking for a red 740i sport. I like the shorter wheelbase, if I carry more people the iL makes more sense. I just don't like the added weight of the iL for daily driving. This is just my preference, those with iL's I get what you see in the longer car, just not my 1st choice.
Next on my list to add to my stable are a 750il high line and I too will build a 750i. It looks like adding the engine, wiring to the engine compartment, extra computers, and interior is pretty straight forward considering the chassis is the same except for the length. With the same color interior the rear doors are the only real challenge.
Saw in "Bimmer" magazine once a guy in Florida build a 750il with a 6spd from an 850i AND a supercharger! It was a great car! He was having trouble finding a strong enough driveshaft! He kept twisting them humm ya think?

[Sparky Gage]

So do you Mustang guys go around saying:

"Hey, check out my D2C"
or
"Wow, nice S197 man!"

No, you don't. You call them Mustangs or Cobras or Shelby's.

Ok, YOU call them Mustangs or Cobras or Shelby's. But those are Fords that have a year associated with almost every change. But most guys still group them:

There are Mustang guys that love anything with a horse badge on it. Any year.
There are Mustang guys that love anything pre-73. (Me, I'm a '67 guy)
There are Mustang guys that love the Fox platform of the 80's (and call them Fox Body's)
I've heard rumors that there are Mustang guys that love the II (but they are all members of the Illuminati and therefore a secret society)

But if you go to a Mustang forum (http://www.stangnet.com/mustang-forums/) they break things up into the platforms.

Outside of the forum, I don't usually say e38, but if I was in a club or talking with other owners that were enthusiasts I wouldn't hesitate to talk in those terms. It keeps things clear about the specific model you are discussing and when someone new shows up, once they know what there's is, it will reduce the confusion over what parts will work with their vehicle.

Corvette guys discuss C1, C2, C3, C4, C5, C6, and now C7. Maybe not at the grocery store, but in the clubs and at car shows.

Jaguar sedan guys talk about the XJ in terms of Series I, II, III, XJ40, X300, X305, X308, x350, x358, x351 .

Mercedes Guys talk in terms of Wxxx platforms.

When you say "e38" the people that care to know have a good idea about the car you are discussing.

[rahee006]

750! well i decided if i was ever gna get an e38 ( which i always wanted to ) id get a v12. id rather have a beige interior xP but im stuck with black on black. thats the only thing id change. ( i wonder if you can turbo charge the v12? )

[iDreadnaught]

After the VANOS rebuild, I'm chirping my tires between 1st and 2nd (Nitto 285s back there, 80% tread, 1 back seat passenger). Never rode in or driven an E38 750 that could do that. Our 750iL does have more passing power over I'd say 80mph or so, but it's obviously geared differently.

Like I said, interior wise, 750 hands down. I just love the raw feeling and sound of the underrated BMW V8, while the V12 is super smooth, it caters to a different market. Some love to drive, and some love to be driven in the back seat I guess.

Yeah the TU V8 has it's issues, but I don't mind rebuilding the VANOS again in another 100k miles/10 years or so, if still have the car. That's just simply not a big deal at all.

I can say the ideal 750iL for me would be what Buck did with his, super clean 750iL + Sport diff and upgraded suspension. But that then caters to a different market from a stock 750iL imho. If these were factory options, I can honestly say that I would have spent the 8 months that I did searching for an '01 blk/blk 740i Sport instead for an '01 750iL Sport.

[daniels635turbo]

Here's my ultimate e38

BMW V12 Alpina Turbo: http://youtu.be/XunY7hZWvuI

[mboor]

Here's my ultimate e38

BMW V12 Alpina Turbo: http://youtu.be/XunY7hZWvuI

Please refrain from posting video / audio clips of this car, i forgot my drool cup today. Everytime i see a barritz blue e38 i realize how much i really need a set on my car.

[daniels635turbo]

Ha ha ....... I watch the video a couple times a week. Gets me hyped for my E38 thats getting painted now ....... Im looking at nos and a snow performance water methanol instal as power adders to mine. Can be had for just over a grand!!!!

[M I C H A E L]

Here's my ultimate e38

BMW V12 Alpina Turbo: http://youtu.be/XunY7hZWvuI

Its not a real alpina.

[daniels635turbo]

Maybe better

[FitterFallon]

If it came with these options!!! Pixels are unreadable on dash,navigation screen is white and stereo only plays fo two mins twenty two seconds at a time, vanos noise, worn timing chain, small leaks on a few gaskets, fast wearing ball joints, cup holder that doesnt fit much of anything, and moon roof that has a mind of its own!lol love my e38