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jeffb325

12-27-2013, 07:19 PM

So....I hear some of you guys like android......

/// AVIN AVANT all Android Multimedia System (http://www.jandtdistributing.com/collections/avin)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTeJnko7He0&feature=youtu.be

BACKGROUND

Im known on these forums as "the dynavin guy" but recently Dynavin has been moving away from the android stuff to concentrate more on vehicle integration and more conventional, audio driven car stereo/navigation units, mostly in newer cars. While I'm 100% on board with where they are going and excited about everything they have in the pipeline, it has left me looking for a high quality, android powered, solution for you android fans out there. Ive looked at a lot of options and while Im still not 100% convinced that android is the most appropriate OS for a car environment I do know that many of you guys love the flexibility, the apps, and expanded capability that it offers. Dont get me wrong, with the right tweaks it CAN work, but taking a OS designed for a phone or tablet and making it into a car stereo takes a lot of know-how, A LOT of work, and frankly nobody has yet pulled it off in a particularly user friendly way. Until now....

Like many of you here on the forums Ive known "Tommy" aka, "M3evolution", for a long time now, he was one of my early customers for the dynavin android units and is well known here on the forums as the creator of the M3evolution Android ROM that is so popular around here. He has been working on his own, 100% android powered unit for a couple years now and in a coincidence of good timing, Tommy's new company, www.avinusa.com (http://www.avinusa.com/) is coming to market with his new Avant Series of vehicle specific, android powered, stereo/navigation, at the same time I am looking for android powered alternatives to compliment my current offerings.

In addition, with the recent proliferation of junk "knock off" units floating around these forums its become clear it was time for me to do something, as a business I dont like seeing crappy low end equipment making inroads, and as a BMW enthusiast and user of this forum I dont like seeing people getting ripped off!

So Tommy and I talked things over and based on our history, similar views on customer service, interest in the "right way to do business", and shared goals, we have decided to add the AVIN USA products to my existing product offerings, so you guys get the best of both of our strengths, my service, vehicle knowledge, and install experience, Tommy's programming, android knowledge, and product development skills.

DISCLAIMER: Just like on my other threads.... I obviously have an interest in this product doing well.... BUT as my history and reputation here shows, im also an honest guy, and im here to help. My writeup here is intended to show the unit as it is, good an bad, as I see it. Its also intended to kick off a conversation for YOU to post the good and the bad, and for us to provide answers and direction to those who need it. Unlike the guys hawking those cheapo knock-off units, taking everyone's money and shipping half functional units, then disappearing.... We will answer your questions, support the products we sell, before AND AFTER the sale. We are not going anywhere.

As I have asked in my other threads, lets keep this clean, Q&A, install info and experiences, keep the (uninformed) opinion, speculation, nonsense, and sales inquiries elsewhere. You can visit my website www.jandtdistributing.com (http://www.jandtdistributing.com/) if you are interested in purchasing.

Now on to the good stuff....

Some of the pics below are of an E46 install we did early on, although identical in function the E39 units are cosmetically different, scroll to the bottom for some installed e39 specific pics....

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Take a look at the install guides on our website (http://www.jandtdistributing.com/pages/installation-setup) if want all the specifics about dash disassembly etc...thats been extensively covered elsewhere so ill just stick to the product info here.....

When you start the unit up you will see the familiar Android screen, status bar, etc... much like you would see on a phone or tablet, but unlike a tablet or phone this one has been customized for car stereo duty, small icons replaced by big easy to access buttons for the various sources. Along with the normal knobs for volume and tuning and "hard buttons" for track selection, there a couple hard buttons on the left and right for the critical android tasks of BACK, HOME, and MENU. Nice! Makes using android while driving MUCH better as you are not trying to touch a tiny touchscreen icon while driving. The buttons are backlit in the correct BMW amber color and turn on and off with the headlights. Pressing the right side knob will change the screen brightness from full, to dimmed, to off. Finer adjustment is available in the settings menu.

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Before we move on, a word about startup. 100% android devices have traditionally had a looooonnnnggggg startup time as they need to boot up the OS before they can do any car stereo related duties, The Avin can be set up to "go to sleep" for a chosen time, like say 6 hours, if you restart the car within this time the unit will "wake up" in only 2 seconds.....VERY fast. That way if you are our running errands and doing a lot of stop and go, you are not constantly waiting on your stereo to boot up. Once past the "sleep" time window the unit will turn off completely in order to not run down the cars battery. Upon starting the car it will need to do a cold boot, about 30 seconds, still VERY good for a unit of this kind. Set the sleep time to 12 hours or 2 days and most people will rarely see a regular boot up, just a quick wake up. See the video below to see the instant startup.

My biggest complaint about previous 100% android units Ive looked at is that they look and act more like tablets than car stereos (Parrot, im looking at you)....not so much here, all the normal stereo functionality is here, volume/tuning knobs, source selection icons, audio controls, etc....its all fairly intuitive and using this thing as a stereo was obviously a top priority here, more advanced android specific functionality is still here, but its not front and center. The screen is not capacitive, its a standard automotive style resistive screen but the implementation is good, scrolling and swiping works relatively well with the fingertip and things in general are responsive and work well. Out of the box the unit is running the "car home" android launcher so the buttons are large, the swiping is minimal, basically everything android related is setup with car use in mind.

RADIO
Pretty standard radio stuff here, simple useable.

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CD/DVD
CD/DVDs works as expected, the only thing unusual is that this is being run by android!

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IPOD
This part is interesting, ipod controlled by android. The ipod interface is fairly intuitive, standard artist>album>track navigation, you can scroll using the knob or by swiping the screen, nice. My only complaint is the load time, the unit will start playing music from the ipod within seconds BUT there is a substantial load time before you can browse, depending on the size of your ipod and number of tracks. No playlists so if you are a heavy playlist user you might want to use a different music storage solution.....luckily with this being android there are certainly other options for playing music if the ipod player does not fit your needs.

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BLUETOOTH
Phone and Streaming, no album art or info displayed when streaming, but the phonebook syncs, and the streaming audio quality sounds similar to plugging in.

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DIGITAL MUSIC
You have lots of options here, the built in USB and SD card players are fairly simple, if you just want to load up some albums and go on your way its fine, but it does not allow for advanced searching, its basically just a 2 layer file browser, good if you just have a bunch of albums as its quick and simple, bad if you have an extensive library. Heavy duty users may want to use a different music app like google music, power amp, etc....

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NAVIGATION
This being android the default nav app is google nav and all that comes with it. It works nicely but requires an internet connection, there are a number of other offline nav app options available on the google play store however. Copilot, waze, sygic, igo, etc... Some are offline apps, some are online apps, some are a hybrid, most store the map data on the SD card, what works best for you is a matter of your priorities and use patterns. One REAL nice detail here, the NAVI button on the front panel can be mapped to any nav app installed on the unit....so pressing that button is an easy one touch access to nav.
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INTERNET BROWSING, EMAIL, ETC....
Since you are connected to the internet you have access to all that you would expect, email, browsing, etc... I dont recommend these things, that is what your computer is for, and most of us have phones now days that do these things just fine. But its here if you want it.

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APPS!

Internet connectivity......This is android, android is a mobile operating system, mobile operating systems are intended to be connected to the internet. As such you should plan using this device in an internet connected manner. The unit comes with a wifi antenna and while you can connect to any wifi source, you will want to get a mobile wifi hotspot of some kind, typically this is done with a smartphone with hotspot capability (virtually all current smartphones have this).

You can also tether through USB if your phone is capable. Yes that is something you most likely will have to pay for. While you dont NEED to be internet connected for regular day to day stereo related use, you wont be able to do much with any of the android apps as most of them require some kind of internet connection.

Avin also offers an optional 3G SIM card modem but understand that there are many variables involved with getting YOUR carrier's SIM card to work with this modem, this is not something we have any control over and getting it working will be between you and your cell provider. In general I recommend using wifi and a hotspot as its easy to set up and is much more universal so it works easily and consistently.

If you dont intend to be on the internet or utilize the more advanced android app functionality you should probably consider a more conventional car stereo navigation system like the Dynavin units (shameless plug ).

TORQUE
This one is big and for some people is the primary reason to get an android unit in the first place! Torque is a great OBDII integration app that reads the cars ECU data via the OBDII port and sends it via bluetooth to the Avin's screen, it allows data and performance logging, etc... The unit is ready to run this on out of the box, the app is already installed and configured. Just add the optional bluetooth OBDII plug, search for and turn it on in the bluetooth settings, and you are in business. VERY simple since Avin built the capability right into the unit.

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PANDORA

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PowerAmp
Stock music player not doing it for you? Try something else! I personally have always liked Poweramp because of all the nice audio controls it gives you, I ran into an issue though as it seems google nav and power amp dont like to play nice with each other and every time I would start up google nav it would turn of poweramp....not sure what that is about and I didnt spend much time trying to sort it out, this didnt happen with any of the other music apps or sources so its something specific....anyway, just thought I should point out that this IS android after all and your results may vary!

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Tons of flexibility on some of these apps....
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Conclusion.....

So this thing is pretty good, I commend ///AVIN, and Tommy (aka 'M3evolution') on creating as good an android unit as I have seen. Its a competent stereo AND an usable android device at the same time, is not too complicated/technical to use, and is reasonably priced. I still think that android units in general are not for everyone. They are not quite simple "plug and play" units, still require a little bit of "know how" for the more advanced features, and Internet connectivity is required to get the most out of them. If you want a "regular" stereo, you dont intend to tether to the internet, and you dont want to fiddle with technical details, you are probably better off with a convention a stereo solution (our dynavin units, a name-brand single DIN, etc....)

But if you dont mind spending a little time dialing things in, you want internet connectivity, or you just want the flexibility to set things up the way YOU want them, this is going to be a nice solution for you.

Installed Customer Pics

Here you go.....thanks to E46fan**** member Dr3wX5 for the pics of the Avin installed in his X5

Boot Screen Loading:
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Home View:
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Additional Screens:
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Radio:
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Spotify:
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Google Maps:
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Torque (Free):
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Torque (Pro):
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Google Play Store:
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Bluetooth:
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FredRC

12-27-2013, 11:11 PM

This unit has a beautiful designed interface, however I`m concerned on hardware specs as Androids tends to get real slow once you start adding apps.

Do you have the specs ?

jeffb325

12-29-2013, 09:57 AM

If you are interested the specs are on avins website, avinusa.com. As I recall the specs are similar to a lot of other units out there BUT Avins emphasis has been on functionality, not specs. A certain "cheapo china direct" unit out there has great specs, but following the threads on E46 fanatics its clear that specs dont get you much since the unit barely works! As I said above the Avin unit is a very good car stereo regardless of the fact that its running on android, not something ive seen in past android units and shows tommy at Avins commitment to getting the details right. As a very nice bonus its also internet capable, can run apps, stream music, and be customized to look like whatever you want.

Fuddy

12-29-2013, 11:00 AM

in for e39 info

jeffb325

12-29-2013, 11:13 AM

With regards to the E39 specific stuff...keep in mind we are not reinventing the wheel here.....Dynavin (and others) have been making E39 units for years now and its a 100% understood platform. In fact this is basically the same unit as the E46, just with different cosmetics and an extra wire harness. There are already quite a few installs done on the E46s (a couple big threads on E46fanatics).

Keep in mind though that just like all other aftermarket head units, cars with the DSP system are not plug and play, so please lets not beat that dead horse. If you want to participate in a conversation about DSP solutions checkout this thread:http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?2059708-German-Audio-Specialties-Passive-Crossover-Network-for-DSP-E39s

HlyDvlz1989

12-29-2013, 11:27 AM

in for e39 info and its just going to be a given that this doesn't work with DSP before anyone asks..unless corrected by OP

jeffb325

12-29-2013, 11:33 AM

I see I'm not the only one getting tired of that conversation!:D

sleuth255

12-29-2013, 12:00 PM

I see that it says "dimmable backlight" on the website. Does that mean it has auto dim like the stock MK IV navigation screen? No auto dim is kind of a show stopper for me based on personal experience. When that feature on mine broke it became pretty much unusable since I was constantly twiddling with the brightness. Speaking of Nav, I see that I will also need a 6 meter cable if I want to install this device. Can you tell me where this cable needs to run?

jeffb325

12-29-2013, 12:40 PM

You press the right side knob to dim the screen, very easy. It has three steps, full, dim, screen off.

in an oem nav equipped car the radio module and more importantly the radio wiring is in the trunk, the 6m extension cable gets all that wiring up to the dash.

540iEP

12-29-2013, 08:01 PM

<troll> "Hey - I saw this unit, and I was curious if it works with cars that have DSP?" </troll>

Ok ok - don't kill me for cracking a joke.

In all seriousness, though, I've been drooling for this Avin unit, the DSP crossover, some sort of aftermarket amp, and a sub.
You should put together some sort of package deal for it....Avin + DSP crossover (with amp and/or sub add-on options).
This way you could buy, at a discount (if you can still make it so you profit), the Avin head unit, DSP crossover, aftermarket amp, and sub all in one nice package with a bit of a discount. Add solid DIY instructions so we wouldn't have to piece it all together from all the existing DIYs, and you'd have yourself one sweet "kit."

Keep this stuff coming guys, and thanks for all the hard work!

Mannyf540

12-29-2013, 09:51 PM

<troll> "Hey - I saw this unit, and I was curious if it works with cars that have DSP?" </troll> Ok ok - don't kill me for cracking a joke. In all seriousness, though, I've been drooling for this Avin unit, the DSP crossover, some sort of aftermarket amp, and a sub. You should put together some sort of package deal for it....Avin + DSP crossover (with amp and/or sub add-on options). This way you could buy, at a discount (if you can still make it so you profit), the Avin head unit, DSP crossover, aftermarket amp, and sub all in one nice package with a bit of a discount. Add solid DIY instructions so we wouldn't have to piece it all together from all the existing DIYs, and you'd have yourself one sweet "kit." Keep this stuff coming guys, and thanks for all the hard work!

I would be in for such a deal as well !!

//m320is

12-30-2013, 12:54 AM

Why can't any of these units support satellite radio? I have 3 cars that I would install these in but without sat radio support it's not even a thought. Is there a reason for this?

bfp9

12-30-2013, 01:05 AM

Why can't any of these units support satellite radio? I have 3 cars that I would install these in but without sat radio support it's not even a thought. Is there a reason for this?

I've wondered this too. There clearly isn't much of a market for it. I would love to be able to though.

apocalypsegoat

12-30-2013, 11:47 AM

jeffb325

12-30-2013, 12:39 PM

This sounds like a perfect unit, I just can't bring myself to spend $800 on a car-specific radio when these e39's are at least 10 years old. The parrot, while not as custom as this, has a capacitative screen and seemingly better internals, at close to $400.

What makes this unit so damn costly?

The cost argument always gets under my skin....whether it be dynavin related or avin, or just about anything tech related.....please dont take this as an attack, its nothing personal, you just bring up an issue I run into often and I think needs explanation.

First off, I think people often incorrectly equate things like these stereos to their $199 android tablets...I suppose because they are similar in screen size and can be put on your cars dash...BUT....A car stereo is not a tablet, it is a car stereo. It has a radio, a DVD/CD drive, a 4 channel amplifier to power speakers, wire harnesses to connect to your car and peripheral devices, an ibus interface to integrate your steering wheel controls, plastics and metal parts that fit the form of your dash, buttons, matching lighting, mounting brackets, I could go on.... these all cost money and they all add up.....

Secondly, Doing things right costs money. You have to develop, tool, and manufacture the unit and all the related parts, and get it to all work relatively well (VERY VERY hard to do), more than half the cost is right there. Package it, include all the things mentioned above. Then if you are not a pirate, you have to pay for software/hardware licenses (for instance, we pay over $70 per unit for the licenses to run igo primo on our dynavin units). Ship them all over the world, pay shipping and customs at various places along the way. Then when you do sell one you have to pay again, credit card processing fees, more shipping. Oh, and you want a warranty too right?.....and an install guide, and a person to answer your phone calls and emails when you cant figure something out. And that is BEFORE we pay for actual business expenses, rent, electricity, phones, internet, forum sponsorships so that we can even have these kinds of discussions....oh and dont forget it would also be nice if there could be at least a little profit in it.....because if there isnt, the products, the vendors, us sponsors, and ultimately this forum, wont be around for long!

Look around these forums, there are some cheap units being sold direct out of china for half the price.....read the threads and you will clearly see that you get what you pay for, half the price for a half functioning unit and much less than half the support. Its important to point out that the reason they have terrible support isnt because the are evil, its because there is not enough profit in the deal for them to afford to help you.

And a different but related point. You mention the Parrot unit...finding it for $400 online is indicative of another problem in the this industry.....there is almost always somebody in distress dumping some inventory. I sell the parrot unit....dealer cost is over $450. Its supposed to sell for $599. But when you see them online for $400 its not because somebody is happily selling them for that, its because somebody needs cash now, or bought out the inventory when a business already went belly up. Somebody somewhere is loosing money on that $400 Parrot unit.

Although cheap prices are nice, big picture wise the above adds up to a bad sign for consumers. Its often thought that competition is a good thing for the consumer, and most of the time it is, but sometimes it can go too far, to a place where everyone looses....Ill ramble about another interest/hobby of mine, home theater. The Pioneer Kuro Plasmas were widely reviewed as the best TV ever made, consumers, tech writers/reviewers all loved them. And then Pioneer pulled the plug and got out of the TV business, competition had pushed plasma pricing to a point where it was impossible to make any money. They sold their technology to Panasonic....the worlds largest manufacture of Plasma TVs and widely considered to be the next best....guess what, as of NOW, they just pulled the plug too, prices were too low, even though they have the best product, there was no money in it, so they are out too. It was nice for a little while while things were cheap but now, as a consumer, I have LESS choice....the best TVs on the market no longer exist and I must now compromise for something lesser. I DONT want to see that happen here. If prices were to get pushed down TOO far, guys like me and tommy pack up and leave. No more good products, no more support, no more forum sponsors, etc.... then we ALL loose.

That concludes today's business management 101 lecture, Ill get off my soapbox now! :D

//m320is

12-30-2013, 12:51 PM

jeffb325

12-30-2013, 01:11 PM

Jeff, can you address the sat radio issue? Is there just too small of a segment to offer, or is something else stopping it? Now that Sirius/xm have standardized their receivers it should be easier to incorporate correct?

I was going to include this in my above "rant" :D but you posted before I could get the edit in....

Im just the distributor here, not the manufacturer, so the following is just my opinion....

But yes I think its too small of a segment to justify the expense. I know that was the case with Dynavin a few years ago when they looked at it. Keep in mind that this is a tiny niche product to begin with, then remember that SiriusXM is primarily a US service, and then what percentage of that have a subscription....so its a niche of a niche of niche. I do agree though that since the tuners have been standardized the cost to develop is surly less than it was back when you had to develop and manufacture your own tuner.

In addition the emphasis both in Avin and Dynavins case is on streaming and internet connectivity when it comes to android units.....you can of course run the SiriusXM app directly on the unit OR run it on your smartphone and stream the audio via bluetooth or a hardwired connection.

And for you guys asking for a DSP DIY kit......even though the installation of the head unit is fairly easy, and the crossover/amp install is not rocket science, I would in no way support the idea that its an easy DIY kind of thing....you need more than an instructional youtube video to do an install like this. A decent working knowledge of car audio, mechanics, electronics, and the tools we use to install them to do this install. If you CAN piece together the knowledge from a couple guides and forum writups and you DO own and know how to use a couple basic electrical tools you CAN do this yourself. But there is kind of a natural barrier to entry here....and it should probably stay that way....

If you can figure it out from the info that is available by all means, go for it.....But if you cant you should probably have an installer do it.

e30ultimate

12-30-2013, 01:21 PM

Introductory price at 150-200 off for the first few units and you have my money. Presents wonderfully but this unit doesnt have the resume or pedigree of established brands. Not necessarily a bad thing you could make waves(hope you do as I have a few more bmw/benz in need of nice headunits) or sink straight to the bottom. You already know this but you need a few out in vehicles instead of shelves before you have folks throwing their money at you.

Oh yeah couldnt folks just BT stream their satellite radio via app on their phone.......... you are already feeding the headunit data. Which reminds me how is the BT mic for phone calls. Ive had so many issues with pioneers top of the line Z110-150 units. Yes i have had All of them and they all have horrible bt mics and feedback driving the other end nuts trying to decipher what Im saying regardless of phone used on my end.

bigjoe87865

12-31-2013, 11:20 AM

This unit has a beautiful designed interface, however I`m concerned on hardware specs as Androids tends to get real slow once you start adding apps.

Do you have the specs ?

Yup, this was my main concern too. unfortunately I just went to the avin site and this unit is only 800mhz processor, 512 ram and resistive screen. pretty much when compared to android smartphones/tablets , this is 2009-2010 tech as far as cpu/ram goes. My phone is over a year old, has 1.5ghz dual core and 2gb ram and is starting to show its age.

aside from that, I am loving everything else.

jeffb325

01-07-2014, 01:16 PM

A bunch have been installed already....but most of the discussion is over on E46Fana******. Ill see if I can get a few of those guys to post their installs over here.

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Edit: Added a bunch of customer pics to the original post....thanks to E46fan**** member Dr3wX5 for the pics

http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/ad180/Dr3wX5/AVIN%20Avant/AVIN16_zpseafac0c6.jpg (http://s933.photobucket.com/user/Dr3wX5/media/AVIN%20Avant/AVIN16_zpseafac0c6.jpg.html)

Stereoinstaller1

01-08-2014, 03:31 PM

So many silly statements in this thread!

Jeff, your patience and tact are amazing. Mine, not so much, especially with some of these responses. Holy crap, $200 off? How much profit do you people think is in this thing? How much do you think it costs each and every month just to be able to post here to sell the thing?

People, this isn't some multi-million dollar deal, these aren't being built to be sold by the thousands daily at WalMart. Stop expecting a custom made $800 car stereo made in the hundreds to have the same processor as your $600 MSRP phone that are made in the millions. To anyone with any practical knowledge at all, you sound silly. Capacitive vs resistive, 800Mhz vs quad core...come on, of course this is older tech and you all whine about the price, imagine what 2014 tech would add to that cost!

In the meantime, as a 32 year veteran professional car stereo installer, I can say easily that this is the logical choice for getting great audio, especially with NAV, in your BMW. No cutting, no hackery, run a few wires and maybe connect some wires. Hire a pro if you can't or don't want to do it yourself. Simple, easy, smooth, great support (when was the last time you called Alpine or Kenwood for tech support? LOL) AND you get to support a vendor who supports this forum. Yes, $800 is sort of expensive for a deck, but nothing compared to hacking up your heater.

Jeff, thanks again. Hope I wasn't too harsh!

Luke

jeffb325

01-09-2014, 02:48 PM

Thanks for the support Luke....yes, those of us in the business know the deal but there is an interesting thing going on culturally now.....the phone industry has caused people to misunderstand what tech costs......

To clarify for those who dont know what Luke and I are talking about.....consumers get "tricked" into thinking their high tech phone costs $99 (or even free!) and in the case of google the software is "free" too. What many fail to realize is that the phone subsidized....the TRUE cost of a phone is the monthly fee.....in most cases a 2 year minimum contract at around $80/month.....so its actually $1600, minimum! Now they have these "trade in" programs that actually push the price up near $3000 over a couple year period! WOW! AND google didn't create android and get it on every phone out there out of the goodness of their hearts.....they did it because they can use it to collect your usage and location info and sell targeted advertising and make $$$$$$.

The point is that phones are an entirely different industry and an entirely different business model. The money is made at the service end, not so much at the manufacturing end. Comparing them to car stereos is silly, despite the fact that everyone obviously is.....

RVAE34

01-09-2014, 02:53 PM

Wow!! This is awesome! And I am just getting ready to start acquiring stereo components. I think I found my new headunit :) I will read through this thread in it's entirety when I get home from work but in skimming it, looks great!

jeffb325

01-09-2014, 03:12 PM

Oh yeah couldnt folks just BT stream their satellite radio via app on their phone.......... you are already feeding the headunit data.

Absolutely, thats how I do it in my own car. I run the siriusXM app and stream the audio to the stereo via bluetooth audio. You could probably also just run the SiriusXM app right on the Avin but I have not personally tried that. I think I would prefer to run it on my phone anyway as I could "take it with me" and continue listening when I leave the car.

jeffb325

01-10-2014, 12:13 PM

//m320is

01-10-2014, 12:14 PM

Absolutely, thats how I do it in my own car. I run the siriusXM app and stream the audio to the stereo via bluetooth audio. You could probably also just run the SiriusXM app right on the Avin but I have not personally tried that. I think I would prefer to run it on my phone anyway as I could "take it with me" and continue listening when I leave the car. Sure this works for the folks that have cell service, but for those of us who don't need an actual hardware interface, but like you said before too small of a market. I do have 4 cars these could go in, I will have to figure something else out.

James39

01-10-2014, 12:34 PM

Dragonlove

01-10-2014, 12:35 PM

This unit has a beautiful designed interface, however I`m concerned on hardware specs as Androids tends to get real slow once you start adding apps.

Do you have the specs ?

I understand your concern, but this is a car player not a Smart phone, for myself i do not need to install that many apps, the only app i installed was Sygic, for the rest there is apps for Radio, playing music/videos from Sd or Usb cards, app for Dvd and so on... I guess i will install Spotify though and i'm also looking into an solution to get Dab in my car (You can compare it to the US Satelite radio)

The prize was a bit high i can say that, but not compared to what you get, then Dynavin came with their first unit i bought that (No Android version) i also managed to install Tomtom on that, but not withouth problems, i also tried to get Wifi working on it, but i never got it working (1st gen you needed to do some hacking to manage this)

So i went back to a Pioneer 1din player and thought that there would never come any new car player with the features i wanted, i even thought about the Parrot Doubble din player, but the design didn't apply that mutch to me.

So i ended up with this Avin player.

Sure there is somethings that should have been better/different on it, sutch as loose the Dvd part no need for that as we have Usb and Microsd, Android 3.0 or higher and so on.

But all in all, i'm quite happy with this.

Finally some word of advice for people's that get this for the E39.

*If you got a Preface E39 you will need to buy an Radio adapter from BMW to be able to connect the radio antenna from the car, the part number for this is 61126913955
*Along with the Gps antenna there is 2 brackets that you need to use to install this unit, the original bracket needs to be completely removed (regardless of you had a casette player, cd player or nav system in there before) It doesn't say anything about this in the manual so i tried to mount it in the original bracket but it was very offset then i tried that.

also the screws that came with the player was kinda short, the M4 screws (I think they are M4) so i needed to replace those with longer one's, anyone familiar with Hualigan players in E39 should know what i'm talking about with the brackets as the Hualigan has the same solution (Otherwise you should not compare this with a cheep Hualigan, cause its way superior compared to it.

*Also one good idea is to ground the unit directly with a wire, i got a rumbling noise from my subwoofer then the sound was completely turned off, then i grounded it the sound disapeared (Guess this also comply to E46 or X5)

jeffb325

01-13-2014, 03:20 PM

thanks for posting your experience, lots of good info there, its good for you guys that have had a few different units in your cars to share your experience as you can better compare/contrast these units.

With regards to the antenna adapter, im going to talk to Avin about it....

huzz456

01-14-2014, 07:31 PM

Hi

Very interested in getting one of these sent over to the uk for my x5 e53. I currently have a similar head unit that I've just installed but it has a very poor viewing angle indeed. Video is unwatchable and most other things are washed out at best and lack detail. If I lead forward and view the unit dead straight then it's fine but soon as I sit back its crap. So I'm wondering what the viewing angle is like in this unit, is it fine viewed from a normal driving position in the x5?

Many thanks

Pete

jeffb325

01-17-2014, 03:08 PM

I havent seen one in an X5 but the screen has a fairly decent viewing angle....I cant imagine it being much of an issue.....

I guess it probably does have a lot to do with your height and seating position though.

Edit: I just put one on the bench and tilted it back to an X5 like angle.....looks fine to me. At this angle the LCD washes out some when viewed straight on, but not angled like from the seats.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/jeffbechtel/eadff364-d6be-439d-b40e-de8593b12eab_zps90dd52c9.jpg

huzz456

01-17-2014, 04:30 PM

Great thanks for that :)

huzz456

01-18-2014, 03:42 AM

Dragonlove

01-21-2014, 12:32 PM

With this unit running android 2.3.4 will there be some apps that won't run on it? I quite like the n7 music player but not sure if it will need a newer operating system to run on? Although I'm not happy with my screen at the mo on plus side it does run android 4.04 so don't want to swap one problem for another.

It says it works with Android 2.2 and up, so that shouldn't be an issue:)

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.n7mobile.nplayer&hl=no

crdiscoverer

01-23-2014, 01:14 PM

Hi Jeff,

Still rocking my Dynavin D99+ (Android) here. Is this a worthy upgrade from that one? Is the scrolling in Android really so much better than it is in the Dynavin? I go crazy scrolling to change Android settings and then the friggin' screen jumps back to the top. There are some very nice touches in this Avin unit, but all in all it is more like a Dynavin D99++ but of course I haven't played with it, hence my questions. Is everything running over Android, even the radio? Does it use the same Dynavin bracket? Does the clock reset when the sleep timer expires?

Alpina540i

01-23-2014, 08:17 PM

jeffb325

01-24-2014, 12:53 PM

Could I use this ///AVIN headunits 4 speaker outputs directly connected to the German Audio Specialties DSP Passive Crossover network to power my existing BSW speakers?

Or would I definitely need a secondary amp in between?

Does the backup camera input overlay the parking aid lines or is that in the camera you use?

My existing camera overlays the lines by itself and I wouldn't want the lines doubled up.

Ask the first question on the German Audio Specialties Crossover thread, I think Luke would be the best person to ask. I suspect it would probably work but not very well as taking deck power (which is minimal) and splitting it 10 ways is not going to be very much power per speaker....Also it might put to much load on the head unit which could cause problems....

Backup camera lines are a function of the camera used, not the head unit.

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Hi Jeff,

Still rocking my Dynavin D99+ (Android) here. Is this a worthy upgrade from that one? Is the scrolling in Android really so much better than it is in the Dynavin? I go crazy scrolling to change Android settings and then the friggin' screen jumps back to the top. There are some very nice touches in this Avin unit, but all in all it is more like a Dynavin D99++ but of course I haven't played with it, hence my questions. Is everything running over Android, even the radio? Does it use the same Dynavin bracket? Does the clock reset when the sleep timer expires?

The scrolling works good, its a non issue.

EVERYTHING is on android, it is NOT a split system. The Radio is basically an android app. It comes with a basic mounting plate, its not like the dynavin bracket. I dont recall how the clock works but I have not seen a single mention of it so I would assume....well there is nothing to talk about there.

crdiscoverer

01-24-2014, 02:29 PM

Thanks, Jeff. Helpful as always. If I manage to sell my D99+ I will definitely upgrade to the Avin. I have used M3evo's ROMs and I followed his thread in the E46 forum. I remember when he started entertaining the idea of a new, improved head unit. Obviously he was far more ambitious back then (he mentioned faster processors, high-def capacitive touchscreens and newer Android releases), but in the end you understand the compromises. The CPU thing for me is a non-issue since you're not playing Asphalt, and the slower Dynavin is more than up to the task: Waze runs just fine and it's a rather heavy app. The Android version is also not that much of a deal breaker since most apps still support 2.3. The only thing that would've been nice is a capacitive touchscreen.

jeffb325

01-31-2014, 11:30 AM

but in the end you understand the compromises.

Very true but you would be surprised how many people don't understand the compromises that it takes to do something like this!

ROYALIFE

01-31-2014, 12:27 PM

Alpina540i

01-31-2014, 02:00 PM

Yes it would, but the real question is does the phone buttons on the wheel still control the bluetooth.

ROYALIFE

01-31-2014, 05:11 PM

good to know. =]

jeffb325

02-12-2014, 06:35 PM

highly interested in a purchase after i recover from coil over purchase....lol but my question is....i have a DSP car so therefore id need the cross over *(which is a life saver!)* so after all is installed and buttoned up, the Avin + crossover + Aftermarket amp..would that still allow steering controls to work?

Yes the steering wheel controls work.

Yes it would, but the real question is does the phone buttons on the wheel still control the bluetooth.

Yes the phone buttons work.

jeffb325

04-03-2014, 12:16 PM

highly interested in a purchase after i recover from coil over purchase....lol

we will be here when you need us!

larinah

04-04-2014, 08:45 AM

jeffb325

04-15-2014, 12:49 PM

@Jeff, Crossover is sold out Arrrgghhhh!!! :mad

Yes it is....waiting on GAS to produce more.

scott99540it

04-15-2014, 01:30 PM

this looks amazing! Ive been pretty happy with my $400 *****, but this is on another level.

CinciKid

04-15-2014, 03:12 PM

So if you want to use Google Maps with this does it have to be tethered through your phone?

crdiscoverer

04-15-2014, 06:52 PM

Google Maps can store data offline. If you saved the regions when you had internet, you can navigate offline later. I believe it does attempt to look for an internet connection when you first open the app, so you might need a quick tether just to open it.

jeffb325

08-26-2014, 12:57 PM

this looks amazing! Ive been pretty happy with my $400 *****, but this is on another level.

Basically yes.

If you want to use the nav offline you are best off getting an offline navigation app, there are a bunch of options in the google play store.

Google maps CAN cache a route but you still need to connect to create it and connect to reroute or modify it.

Pekelicious

08-27-2014, 06:15 AM

Basically yes.

If you want to use the nav offline you are best off getting an offline navigation app, there are a bunch of options in the google play store.

Google maps CAN cache a route but you still need to connect to create it and connect to reroute or modify it.

I have the D99+ and i use sygic for offline nav, it just downloads the map of my region and voila :D

jeffb325

09-11-2014, 12:48 PM

Yes, an offline nav app is the way to go if you want conventional, non-internet connected navigation.

jeffb325

09-16-2014, 06:42 PM

back in stock and shipping

jicaino

10-08-2014, 10:25 PM

Any E39 installed pix? Thanks!

Capo72

10-09-2014, 07:06 AM

jicaino

10-10-2014, 06:01 AM

I would like to see other people's installed pics as well. I have mine installed and I'm not real happy with the way it fits. My only other complaint at this point is the strength of the wi-fi antenna. Everything else is great so far.

The top of the face digs in the dashboard line, right? That's why I haven't jumped on it. They make 2 different face shapes for the Dynavin N6, I guess that they got tired of us E39 owners on the Avin version :devillook
I guess I'll wait until the Avin comes in an E39 appropiate shape...

kricker

10-10-2014, 09:23 PM

I've seen some photos of the Avant2 installed in e39s and it looks good. I hope to have one soon. If I do and remember I'll post some pics of it to installed.

kricker

12-31-2014, 01:57 AM

I've seen some photos of the Avant2 installed in e39s and it looks good. I hope to have one soon. If I do and remember I'll post some pics of it to installed.
So I got my Avant 2 for Christmas from my wife. I was super excited and tried to get it to installed. I hit a few bumps along the way, but I am now really close.

Currently I have 2 install issues. First, the brackets do not line up with the mounting holes on the face of the unit. When the brackets are installed, the mounting holes for the unit are about a 1/4 higher than the hole on the unit. Looks like I will need to do some modifications. Did anyone else have this issue?

The biggest issue I currently have is the fit on the lower edge of the face. It has sharp corners and the dash has rounded corners. Even if I mod the brackets, this poses a problem. @Jeffb325, any idea how Dr3wX5 got his to fit so nicely on the lower edge? Right now this prevents the unit from fitting.

jeffb325

12-31-2014, 11:32 AM

if you take out the screws that are behind the dash trim the lower part of the dash will come loose and give you some wiggle room.

kricker

12-31-2014, 11:47 AM

I loosened the entire lower dash already. I had to do that to get the original radio bracket out. But there is no way those lower sharp corners are going to fit in the dashes rounded corners. In the pics you posted of Dr3wX5's install it appears he either has rounded corners on his unit or it is somehow behind the dash. My dash is solid all the way back so I don't see how that is possible.

jeffb325

12-31-2014, 12:18 PM

First off those pics are in an X5 so its probably a little different. If you look closely at those pics you will see the corners are square and the unit is sitting slightly up from the bottom. There is a small gap underneath. I agree that a little rounding on those corners would fit a bit better but frankly in the year since its come out nobody has mentioned it so people are obviously making it work. I should probably leave it to them to discuss how the lower edges are working in their cars.

kricker

12-31-2014, 07:17 PM

After some more working with it today I've realized two things. One, that lower edge with the sharp corners appears to be installed so that it sits outside of the dash. It is a thin lip. Behind it the corners are rounded to fit the dash. Two, the plug on the antenna adapter is too long. It causes the unit to stick out too far. Once I removed that plug, the unit slid in all the way. The thin squared lip sitting flush against the dash and no gaps, like it should. So now I need to find a low profile antenna adapter.

kricker

01-02-2015, 05:40 PM

Anyone know where I can find a right angle fakra to BMW cable so I can hook up the tuner of my Avin? I'm scouring the web, but I am not quite sure which fakra type I need and what the female version of the BMW plug is called. I think I need a right angle fakra z to female RCA, but I am not positive. So many cable types and names....

jeffrey bray

03-06-2015, 11:42 PM

Hi All
I am trying to find out how to connect and android dvd unit to my X5 E53 2006. The old unit has 2 x 12 pin sockets which are not compatible with the harnesses that came with the new unit.

johnfredrickson

04-23-2015, 10:38 PM

Hey guys,
I love my Avin unit... I only really use it for Pandora. I have an AT&T hotspot in the glovebox, so internet is always constant. A few frustrations: I believe the design of the unit is for the curve of the X5 dash, not the flat 5-Series dash, you cannot customize the "Car Home" screen, it does not have accessibility settings to make the text larger (resolution is awesome, but not for text when you are trying to read what is playing), apps close when you shut the car off so apps like Pandora don't save your place in the song. I also get a little alternator feedback when the volume is on but no music playing. The issue isn't at the amp level, so I am guessing the headunit might not like the factory grounding.
ANYWAY, here are a few pictures in my E39!
http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=532107&stc=1
http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=532108&stc=1
http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=532109&stc=1
http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=532110&stc=1

johnfredrickson

04-23-2015, 10:39 PM

Hey guys,
I love my Avin unit... I only really use it for Pandora. I have an AT&T hotspot in the glovebox, so internet is always constant. A few frustrations: you cannot customize the "carplay" screen, it does not have accessibility in settings to make the text larger (resolution is awesome, but not for text when you are trying to read what is playing), apps close when you shut the car off so apps like Pandora don't save your place in the song. I also get a little alternator feedback when the volume is on but no music playing. The issue isn't at the amp level, so I am guessing the headunit might not like the factory grounding.
ANYWAY, here are a few pictures in my E39!
http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=532107&stc=1
http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=532108&stc=1
http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=532109&stc=1
http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=532110&stc=1

ojomo

11-22-2016, 08:17 PM

Set Up:
Avin Avant-2 HU
BSW Stage 1 Speaker Upgrade
G.A.S PCN
Sound Stream PN5.640D

Bought my gear through Jeff at J&T, easy guy to deal with and took care of me nicely after I initially bought a Dynavin N6 and was completely unsatisfied with its DSP integration.
Set up is pretty straightforward and not too hard as long as you pay attention and read the literature in multiple threads. I desoldered the connectors from the amp and used them for plug and play to the G.A.S PCN.

PROS: This HU is awesome. Catered for more tech savvy customer who wants more capability out of HU. Check email while stuck in traffic? No problem. Voice control? Browse the internet? No problem. Your choice of multiple navigation apps including googlemaps.
Using a torque enabled OBD scanner synced via bluetooth? No problem. Watch Netlflix/Youtube/Play Angry Birds? No problem. I was pretty happy with it. The screen is much more responsive and accurate than the Dynavins, think Iphone screen vs an old Garmin GPS from 2001
The speakers are ok, but next time I would just stick with stock.
PCN routes sound properly to all speakers and for the most part works as intended.

CONS: Weak FM reception. Non existant AM reception. This was most likely due to the class D amp mounted close to the antenna. Will relocate and update. The unit is not E39 specific, its built for a E53 so the face plate is curved. Still looks stock, except doesn't line up with dash trim.
Had to do some funky things with the low pass/high pass and EQ to get the sound right. People say its the PCN, and you need the FSM module G.A.S sells. Without the adjustments the highs are painful.
A couple days ago the Avin cut out mid song, looked down and it was powered off and would not come on. Fuses fine and power to harness fine. Unit comes with a one year warranty, but I'm five months over. *SIGH*
Not much Jeff can do since he's just a reseller and can't do repairs. Got into contact with Tommy at Avin, he offered to try and repair it to the tune of 250$, most of that is shipping it back to China. There is a catch though, if the problem is with the android board there is nothing he can do either because they have stopped taking supply of that part in preparation for the Avant 3 which should be coming out soon. Is slow and laggy running a super old version of android so anything released from the google store app wise wont be able to run, unless you find a super old version of the app.

Conclusion: Bought this HU with the intention of having it for many years to come for the life of the car. Wouldn't expect a $1000 HU to kick the bucket after a year and five months. If it can't be repaired it will be quite literally $1150 down the drain, with a lovely addition of a gaping hole and wires in my dash. I'm sure my experience is not indicative of the Avant customer base as a whole, but would definitely be wary of future products. Will update on the outcome when the unit is received by Tommy.

ojomo

01-17-2017, 01:09 AM

jicaino

01-17-2017, 11:13 AM

Update: So after weeks of emails back and forth with Jeff@J&T and Tommy@AVIN, I'm pretty much done and the Avin will be going in the trash. Jeff was helpful and explained to me what might be wrong. Would buy from him again, just not anything Avin related.

Dealing with Tommy has been frustrating. Full disclosure, they took pics and video of the unit working after the "repair" and it was working as far as that showed. Immediately after picking it up I plugged it in and nothing. I've done everything to try and get it to work, took it to several audio shops to be bench tested, jumped the pins still nothing, the unit is clearly dead. The part that really ground my gears was his constant blaming the car and battery...saying that it needs 3 amperes to boot up...a quick crash course and googling into electronics showed that's not how electricity works. Seriously if my battery was the problem there'd be a lot more going on than my headunit not powering on lol....

Looking back its really not worth the price tag, its mass produced and different people slap their own software and name on it. Simply put I'd recommend to fellow E39'ers to stay away, "buyer beware", or you have the chance of ending up like me with $1300 down the drain. Lesson learned.

These headunits (Dyn and Avin) look like they could be something good someday, but they charge way too much (because BMW) the faceplate looks horribly wrong, and this kind of full disclosure is something you rarely see. Not many folks admit to having spent a whackload of cash into something that's not what they expected. I guess some folks are so desperate to "bring new features" to their cars that they put up with cheap plastics, wrong fascia shapes and unfullfilled promises.

Thanks for sharing the hard real life truth with us man, I'm sorry for your loss.

(BTW, not referring to Jeff when I comment on the product he sells, just referencing the makers)

Da Beemers

01-17-2017, 07:45 PM

Sorry to hear that. I was on the fence for a while about the Avin, then about the N6. After waiting a while on my decision, I'm glad I did. Every time I check the thread they are always messing with tons of adjustments, and updates and whatever. I don't want to spend that kind of money for something that takes so much fine tuning and constant updates to fix bugs/glitches whatever. For what you spent it should have been good to go for a loooong time. Thanks for the update. I will just stay stock until they stop constantly screwing with it, I don't want all of the hassle it seems to provide. Bummer.

scottbimmer

03-14-2018, 09:08 PM

You mention that you spoke to Tommy from Avinusa. Maybe you can help me, I have a 2001 e38, and just can't get Tommy response to my concern, that his E38 DIY that he put up, my E38 does not have the main square looking power harness

scottbimmer

03-15-2018, 11:36 PM

Can you say if any installation was done on the E38 with Avin-3