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ssmirnoff
12-02-2013, 04:18 PM
Hi guys, I finally decide to ask the community for help.
I've been struggling with my problem for over a year now, but it's getting worse with the cold weather.

Car: 2003 e39 530i manual 120,000 miles
So the problem: misfire cylinder 3 with cylinder cutout
INPA code: 240 burning fail Cylinder 3
DIS code: DME - F0 DME: Misfire, cylinder 3 - Combustion miss with cylinder cutout (P1347 or P0303) - Combustion miss during warm-up...


When the engine is cold, it is shaking and misfiring. If I keep rpm over 1000 it's running better and smoother, then when left idling. When it's fully warmed, the engine runs not 100% smooth but at least 70-80%. It's still shaking a little, but runs like 20 times better when started cold. If I start it in cold in leave it idle, within about a minute I would get SES light and the car would shake very badly, and cylinder #3 would become turned off until restarting. If I start the car in cold and start driving within 15 seconds, the engine would warm up, and no light would be displayed and no error thrown, and as said earlier - no misfire when fully warmed.

I've tried to diagnose the problem myself and with mechanics and no success so far :(

- Checked intake rubber pipes - all look OK.
- Checked DISA - looks and works good.
- Check idle valve - looks good and clean
- Crankcase ventilation valve seems to function and all pipes look OK
- Changed valve cover gasket (just too take a look inside)
- Swapped spark plugs - the error stays the same in cylinder #3
- Swapped coils - the error stays the same in cylinder #3
- Swapped injectors - the error stays the same in cylinder #3
- Compression test - 180 on all cylinders on cold engine
- No blue/white smoke on cold start


Also to note: sometimes after not running for a couple of days I have a lifter noise on start for 10 seconds. At one period of time, in summer, it would not dissapear, and mechanics told me that some lifters would need to be changed. I did engine oil flush 2 times and it went away, reappearing randomly only on first cold start for a couple of seconds. I later switched from Castrol 5w40 to Mobil 1 0w40 and the car started to burn oil after high rpm (>5000) driving, and injectors look dirtier with carbon deposits on them.

Two weeks ago, I gave up, and brought the car to a local BMW specialist, who was checking the car for a couple of days. The smoke test found that there was a huge leak under intake where the CCV is located, so they replaced it with all new pipes, and now there is no more leak. The car still shakes and misfiring, BUT now it's not cutting out the cylinder #3 for some reason. There is no more SES light on the dashboard but the car (engine) still shakes until warmed to normal temperature. The whole 'diagnosis' with CCV replacement, cost me a big amount of money, only to hear that they cannot find the problem anywhere.

They tested every single electrical wire running to coils and to injectors, and all are good.
They switched my computer with another one from same engine and no difference.
Leak-down test was also good.
Swapped MAF sensor - also no difference.

In the end the mechanic told me that they've tested everything without opening the engine, and everything just looks perfect/good, and they don't know what is the problem. There is a little possibility that this may be a bad VANOS, and the only way to see is to change it for another one, but I'm not very convinced that this might be the problem.


I'm writing all this here to get an advice what is my best next step to fix this problem.
Is there any other test that can be done to find the problem ?
Is it worth to open the engine and repair the problem or is it better to just put a used engine.

16valex
12-03-2013, 01:04 PM
You nee to replace your VANOS seals, it will cure your rough cold start issue.
Very easy to do if you know how to follow direction from Beisan system.


BUT now it's not cutting out the cylinder #3 for some reason.
It could be all the leak you had under the IM. I would not worry about it.

ssmirnoff
12-03-2013, 02:50 PM
You nee to replace your VANOS seals, it will cure your rough cold start issue.
Very easy to do if you know how to follow direction from Beisan system.


It could be all the leak you had under the IM. I would not worry about it.

But would VANOS affect only 1 cylinder ? Cause only cyl #3 is the one that is running rough, the others are OK.

auaq
12-03-2013, 03:37 PM
?? Where's the context?

16valex
12-03-2013, 04:21 PM
?? Where's the context?

What did you do with it?:D

I have no idea.. It was there one moment and the next it's gone..That's a new one for me.

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Here is his reply to my mail. but, it's not on his thread. He may have bee just a ghost!:confused

---Quote (Originally by 16valex)---
You nee to replace your VANOS seals, it will cure your rough cold start issue.
Very easy to do if you know how to follow direction from Beisan system.


It could be all the leak you had under the IM. I would not worry about it.
---End Quote---
But would VANOS affect only 1 cylinder ? Cause only cyl #3 is the one that is running rough, the others are OK.
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But, you said after the dealer's work mis-fire on #3 is gone.

auaq
12-03-2013, 04:36 PM
I think you and I have been haunted by BMW ghost owner ...... just saying.

ssmirnoff
12-04-2013, 11:14 AM
Please check screenshots from INPA here: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzstFU_rfZu8QjFDUXNoUzZfRGc

champaign777
12-04-2013, 04:46 PM
OP
try compression test , dry and wet , then decide

ssmirnoff
12-05-2013, 08:34 AM
OP
try compression test , dry and wet , then decide

Compression test was done multiple times and it was perfect, almost all cylinders are equal (1-2 psi difference)

taggart
12-05-2013, 07:28 PM
Check the wiring to the maf.

ssmirnoff
12-08-2013, 08:08 PM
Check the wiring to the maf.
every electrical wire between engine and computer was tested and all are ok :(

bullard123
12-08-2013, 10:28 PM
Did you try switching coils to see if the misfire moved cylinders?

ssmirnoff
12-08-2013, 10:37 PM
Did you try switching coils to see if the misfire moved cylinders?
yes, I wrote that in the description of the problem...
switched coils, spark plugs, injectors - problem stays in the same cylinder :(

ssmirnoff
12-09-2013, 11:04 AM
Did you try switching coils to see if the misfire moved cylinders?
Yes I did that, and also tried with injectors, as per my description above..

ssmirnoff
12-11-2013, 04:46 PM
Any other opinion someone ?

Gumbi4u
12-11-2013, 06:21 PM
Any other opinion someone ?

I just reread your entire post carefully. So my suspicions were true that the CCV was causing the misfire. Now you have no codes and no more shut down on cyl 3. As far as that issue is concerned, the mechanic took care of the issue. The shaking you are getting might be from deteriorated vanos seals. It can also be from 02's going bad. Also did you try running some seafoam through your booster hose? Sometimes and upper end cleanse is all you need after a severe case of CCV burps.

BTW, your title is misleading since the misfire on cylinder 3 has been eradicated.

ssmirnoff
12-17-2013, 04:50 PM
I just reread your entire post carefully. So my suspicions were true that the CCV was causing the misfire. Now you have no codes and no more shut down on cyl 3. As far as that issue is concerned, the mechanic took care of the issue. The shaking you are getting might be from deteriorated vanos seals. It can also be from 02's going bad. Also did you try running some seafoam through your booster hose? Sometimes and upper end cleanse is all you need after a severe case of CCV burps.

BTW, your title is misleading since the misfire on cylinder 3 has been eradicated.

Hi Gumbi4u,
sorry for late reply, the CCV helped to "not always get a SES light", but misfire on cold is always there and the code is written in the computer. I will clear all the codes and monitor the malfunctioning again, but the problem is not fixed. Cyl #3 is still the only one running rough, but now after the CCV was fixed the Service Engine Soon is not appearing on idle. HOWEVER it came a couple of times while driving :(
The car still shake badly on cold, and is OK when warmed up :(
The mechanic also told me that O2 were tested and OK, and VANOS was tested with procedure on the computer and came OK too. Every test came perfect for some reason :(

I will be back in a couple of days with new screenshots after clearing all the codes...

ryGuyM3
03-13-2015, 10:33 PM
Did you ever find a resolution to this issue. I have the same occurring with my 2003 525i M54 and I am at a loss. I get a "241 burning fail Cylinder 4" during most cold weather idles and occasionally during cold weather driving before the motor has had a chance to warm up.



New Spark Plugs
Swapped Coil Packs
Inspected for Vacuum Leaks
Replaced Fuel Injector O-Rings
Swapped Fuel Injectors (code remains with 4)
Good Compression
No Smoke



Hi Gumbi4u,
sorry for late reply, the CCV helped to "not always get a SES light", but misfire on cold is always there and the code is written in the computer. I will clear all the codes and monitor the malfunctioning again, but the problem is not fixed. Cyl #3 is still the only one running rough, but now after the CCV was fixed the Service Engine Soon is not appearing on idle. HOWEVER it came a couple of times while driving :(
The car still shake badly on cold, and is OK when warmed up :(
The mechanic also told me that O2 were tested and OK, and VANOS was tested with procedure on the computer and came OK too. Every test came perfect for some reason :(

I will be back in a couple of days with new screenshots after clearing all the codes...

ssmirnoff
03-23-2015, 03:39 PM
Hi ryGuyM3 (http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/member.php?87438-ryGuyM3),
Unfortunately I'm still driving my 530i with this problem.
Keeping the rpm above 1000rpm while not driving, seems to help avoiding my misfire code with fuel cut-off. Does it help for you ?
Can you hear some ticking noise of the lifters when you start, after your car was sitting for some time (more than 12 hours, or a day) ?
If yes, then it's probably a similar problem to mine => lifter/s.

I'm not 100% sure, but I've read a lot of info over internet. Even if it's rare, lifter/s can cause a problem with misfire, specially when cold. It's a big $$ job, and I'm not ready yet to do it myself.

Did you test for vacuum leaks with smoke machine or just visual inspection ?

idjit
06-28-2015, 04:28 PM
I've had this issue since I bought my car in 2011. I've changed everything too. Done the Vanos, done the CCV, compression good and just found this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vo4fm0JDPY

Pay attention to the comment that, after soaking overnight, that if you don't put a rag over it and cycle the engine with the plug out followed by compressed air with a long tube to get access that you risk damage to the engine. I suspect something to do with the fact that liquid doesn't compress. I might be to keep this stuff away from the oyxgen sensor and cayalytic converter too (I haven't read the label on the product yet).

Basically it's to free stuck rings not mating to the cylinder walls when cold fixed by an once of AC Delco in the plug hole overnight. I will add that if the car sits more days it might be worse, which I think may have to do with the cylinders loosing surface oil over time... or it might sit a week and be fine because perhaps sometimes the rings don't stick and mate perfectly with the cylinder when cold.

Mine is cylinder 3 and one time was cylinder 4. Note in the comments below the note about cylinder 3 and 4. In the video he mentioned it was #4. Also note your compressing may look fine if the car is started for the purpose of driving into the garage for the check. One thing I have noticed is that the misfire always stops when my temperature needle on the dash is just coming out of the blue area. This consistency helps to confirms (in my mind) that this might be my issue.

I'm going to try this as soon as I can get my hands on the product.

Apparently this product will eat your paint so be carefull!

E39 Expert
06-28-2015, 06:50 PM
I HAD an E66 in the shop and the shop and the customer reported a misfire on cylinder #4. I did everything that i could possibly do without tearing the engine apart. Turns out that BMW wired the wires WRONG. So the misfire was actually on #3 and they wired them backwards. So it was reporting a miss on #4 , even though #4 was perfectly fine. I'd reccommend swapping coils & plugs with #2 and #4.

idjit
06-29-2015, 07:27 AM
The proceedure I mentioned is after I had exhausted all the normal obvious and simple to do things (as it was for the original post on the thread). The video mentioned that the stuck ring is not a common issue. I would advise anyone with a missfire not to rule out injectors, coils, plugs, vaccuum leaks, etc. first, but the AC Delco treatment in the video is something I'd do before more difficult things like intake manifold gaskets, for instance (which I did before I found the video). I'll post my results in a few days.

ninetyseven1
08-21-2015, 08:10 PM
I HAD an E66 in the shop and the shop and the customer reported a misfire on cylinder #4. I did everything that i could possibly do without tearing the engine apart. Turns out that BMW wired the wires WRONG. So the misfire was actually on #3 and they wired them backwards. So it was reporting a miss on #4 , even though #4 was perfectly fine. I'd reccommend swapping coils & plugs with #2 and #4.


wow, Im wondering if this is my issue too. Been having this same misfire on cylinder 3 intermittently. Tried swapping out coils, spark plugs, tested wiring to coils via the DME. I do know that i need VCG's and the oil leaks onto cylinder 4 coil but never on cyl 3. I can clear the error and car runs great but usually wont come back until after car sits overnight. Maybe my wires are wired wrong too? and I just need valve cover gaskets?

mpo
08-21-2015, 08:39 PM
I don't know if the OP is still around but I would want to redo the smoke test since there are so many places that can leak.

ckirkpatrick
01-29-2018, 07:57 PM
Ok. I know it’s like 3 years later. But.. I think I found a solution. I found it on an e46 thread, but it’s an M54 engine.

https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?1400744-Cold-start-misfire-solved-(finally!)