E46 M3 vs 2003 Corvette !!! and Hayabusas?!?!

[Grimm333]

Friday night I am heading home from work and meet up a couple people at Starbucks. Afterwards I am driving down Higgins Rd (a giant road, 6 lanes, 3 in each direction). I am pulling up to the stoplight and 6 Busas pull up all lined up and signal me so they can pull up in the front line. (I know I am going to lose horribly but just wanted to see how well I could keep up from behind). :devillook

We are waiting for the light to turn green and one by one going from left to right, the Busas start doing burnouts. Light turns green and we are off. Man those bikes wen't flying and I was storming behind them...way behind them. One of them had a turbo kit installed :eyecrazy: Low and behold, Chillfactory Turbo Platforms (My buddy owns that shop :) As the bikes are coming to a halt, the all bust out enzo's on the bikes. CRAZY!!! :buttrock

Meanwhile some Yellow Corvette (Convertible/Automatic) sees :evil2 and pulls up to my side. Busas are in the left lane, I am in middle, Vette is on the right.
The Vette signals me to race and the Busas want to watch. Waiting for light to turn green...(The road is 1/3 mile stretch)

I had to use LC on this so DSC was off, S6 was on, I even took traction control off so I have nothing holding back. I get a lot better launch than he does considering all he has to do is jam that pedal down (he didn't know how to control the shifting in the automatic tranny; like getting off/on the gas) and I pull 1/2 CL on him. :mad: I switch into second have have a full CL on him. By third, I can see him pulling slighty on me, by 4th he has somewhat caught up with his frnot end being at my gas cap. We are approaching the light and the Busas fly by giving me a thumbs up and we are all stopped.

I roll down my windows and the owner of the vette (younger guy - maybe mid-20's) asks if my car is stock. Sure enough it is. He gives me a giant congrats and thumbs up. Don't think he has ever lost to a BMW. We all go our seperate ways. Busas to the subdivision, Vette to Copland @ Dunkin Donuts, and me crusing back to my home.

I get so much shit and evil looks from Vette owners but this time around it was a great experience and run.

:alright

:suave

[mattjw916]

Nice one... but I am confused as to how even an auto/vert C5 could be beaten by an E46 M3. All he has to do is keep it floored and he should beat you handily...

Oh well, chalk up another SMG kill... :buttrock

[Somali M3]

:bs:

[MGregski]

:bs:
Take the flag down bud, one word replies are not permitted with a post count of 4:D Need an explanation.;)

Given the driver of the M knows what he's doing, he has a very good chance at lower speeds. Highway pulls would be closer. We are talking about an auto C5 VERT, not the 6 spd coupe.


Good kill, a Chevy driver and a BMW driver getting along after a race, hmmm that I gotta see.:D

[Grimm333]

Ok for all those B.S.'ers out there. This is an AUTOMATIC CONVERTIBLE Corvette. I did ask him what year is car was and to me it did look as though it was a newer Vette as well. With a fully loaded vette giving he has 2 passengers in the vehicle (including himself) and that it is a convertible thus adding more weight I'd say at least 3600lbs. WEIGHT MATTERS!!! With 350hp and 360ft-lbs of torque I assume the weight doesn't make it any faster than 333hp and 260ft-lbs early on. When the torque kicks in...sure it will CATCH UP and maybe eventually pass like I said by the time it was ending he was catching up and I was NOT gaining.


I was also amazed as the Vette driver applauded me. Usually it's the shake of the head and turn or the finger... :shifty

Side Note:
I do run well worthy races and random races all the time. Lot's of people on the road late at night around the Chicago area want to run the M3 all the time. If you want BS stories that this is the wrong thread to be reading. If you don't believe it good for you. I personally do not care as I am just sharing my experiences with members on the board. I could post all stupid races against the whole r1ce lineup but it's not worth my time. Worthy races/encounters are well worth posting about. Maybe it is hard to believe since your driving skill is not up to par (I am not saying I am the greatest driver either) and your experiences differ from mine. The driver makes the car. :buttrock

[Somali M3]

LOL..settle down boy

[Yoda]

I believe it, those 04 M3s are monsters, nice kill. :buttrock

[Luftwaffe1O1]

don't BS this, the auto C5 vert vettes are around 5 0-60 maybe a bit higher even, the e46 M3s can beat these. Out of the vettes id think the z06 is more of competition.

[Apex E36]

Nice run with the Vette, must have been crazy too see all those 'Busa's though, hehe.

[MGregski]

Out of the vettes id think the z06 is more of competition.

The Zo6 would be NO competition:) It's a monster.

[IS 300_M]

yeah, it was like comparing an e36 M3 to a e46 M3. nice kill though

[SilverStreak]

My neighbor (Jimmy) ran his C5 vert to a 12.8 but he has the 6 spd. I'd expect low 13's for the C5 vert auto, certainly beat-able by an E46 M3 with a good driver on his game... nice kill.

[Grimm333]

It was weird seeing the Busas...I could hear the BOV off the one that was turbo'd really nicel and it was damn fast. I couldn't tell how old most of them were except the guy who had his visor on the helmet who was in his 30's...

All-in-all it was a really nice run...

[auto_pilot]

My neighbor (Jimmy) ran his C5 vert to a 12.8 but he has the 6 spd. I'd expect low 13's for the C5 vert auto, certainly beat-able by an E46 M3 with a good driver on his game... nice kill.

Silver: On your neighbor's times...Did he launch his car? Meaning he did some type of maneuver to rev the engine and launch the car? Wouldn't that explain the low times...Whereas, in this particular run, it sounds like the Vette didn't "launch" and just floored it?...so i believe that the SMG M3 w/launch control took him off the line and to the light...Nice run!

[reginalb]

Check the diagram at the back of a Road and Track sometime. They post numbers that their drivers have gotten, and the M3s acceleration numbers are right with a Vette's. And that is manual vs. manual (and presumably good drivers as they work testing cars for R&T). You throw in that the vette was a vert and an auto. and it should be a pretty easy kill for a good driver in an M3. And on the Z06 note, an M3 would get blown out of the water (straight line at least) by one of those. Unless the driver sucked balls, but this one wasn't a Z06. Again killing a C5 is VERY doable.

[MGregski]

Check the diagram at the back of a Road and Track sometime. They post numbers that their drivers have gotten, and the M3s acceleration numbers are right with a Vette's. And that is manual vs. manual (and presumably good drivers as they work testing cars for R&T). You throw in that the vette was a vert and an auto. and it should be a pretty easy kill for a good driver in an M3. And on the Z06 note, an M3 would get blown out of the water (straight line at least) by one of those. Unless the driver sucked balls, but this one wasn't a Z06. Again killing a C5 is VERY doable.

Magazine racing!!! :nono:



JK, seems like more and more people have their facts straight.:buttrock


Uhhh, 7 posts - welcome to BF.c:wave:

[vjlax18]

Someone can't drive...

And my wife's C5 put down >300ft/lbs just past idle. No stock M3 will beat a stock C5 if the drivers are equal. Now if it was an auto, maybe you started at an speed that it didn't downshift.

If you are ever in MD, stop by, and the wife will show the her big assed car. :wave:

[SilverStreak]

auto- he launched it, he's a drag racer, makes me look like a dolt...

[mattjw916]

... Again killing a C5 is VERY doable.

I agree that it is doable, but I won't be putting any money on the E46 in that race...

a kill is a kill though... just like the story a while back where (insert generic BMW here) beat the Z06 because the guy overreved and his clutch self-destructed right there at the light. :D

[Grimm333]

Someone can't drive...

And my wife's C5 put down >300ft/lbs just past idle. No stock M3 will beat a stock C5 if the drivers are equal. Now if it was an auto, maybe you started at an speed that it didn't downshift.

If you are ever in MD, stop by, and the wife will show the her big assed car. :wave:

Stock vs Stock Manual Vette ran the same with an M3. Also, we started from a stop...why would I be downshifting...

And if no stock M3 can beat a Vette why is that many people (many magazines too) with equal drivers get the same times for a stock vs stock. Matthews (fastest stock time I have seen on a M3) has a time of 12.68 in a 1/4 mile run on a 6spd M3. This guy seriously knows how to launch 6spd cars especially in the days of his Stang. I doubt many Vette's if any can top that time stock (not including the Z06, I'm talking about the C5 base).

A stock Non-vert M3 6spd vs a Stock Vert will win with equal drivers. I don't see your logic here at all....

A stock vs stock should yield with equal drivers roughly the same with the Vette taking top end.

[slickav]

Take the flag down bud, one word replies are not permitted with a post count of 4:D Need an explanation.;)

Given the driver of the M knows what he's doing, he has a very good chance at lower speeds. Highway pulls would be closer. We are talking about an auto C5 VERT, not the 6 spd coupe.


Good kill, a Chevy driver and a BMW driver getting along after a race, hmmm that I gotta see.:D

I think Kevlar is joking :D

[SilverStreak]

Stock vs Stock Manual Vette ran the same with an M3. Also, we started from a stop...why would I be downshifting...

And if no stock M3 can beat a Vette why is that many people (many magazines too) with equal drivers get the same times for a stock vs stock. Matthews (fastest stock time I have seen on a M3) has a time of 12.68 in a 1/4 mile run on a 6spd M3. This guy seriously knows how to launch 6spd cars especially in the days of his Stang. I doubt many Vette's if any can top that time stock (not including the Z06, I'm talking about the C5 base).

A stock Non-vert M3 6spd vs a Stock Vert will win with equal drivers. I don't see your logic here at all....

A stock vs stock should yield with equal drivers roughly the same with the Vette taking top end.

Depends on that driver. Meaning, a very skilled drag racer will likely get similar times in both cars, but with a medium level drag racer or a novice, the Vette has a serious advantage at the strip given that level of drag racing skill cuz torque forgives many sins at the strip...

[vjlax18]

FYI, the vert vette weighes the same as a coupe. It was designed that way. If you did run from a stop, the guy did not know what he was doing. A kill is a kill, but stop magazine racing...

[Nimble]

FYI, the vert vette weighes the same as a coupe. It was designed that way. If you did run from a stop, the guy did not know what he was doing. A kill is a kill, but stop magazine racing...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I always thought the E46 M3's could do pretty well against stock C5's??

[MGregski]

I think Kevlar is joking :D
How is it him? Stole his sig:)

[vjlax18]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I always thought the E46 M3's could do pretty well against stock C5's??

The only thing the M3 has over the Vette is gearing. Vette has way more power and is lighter. IIRC the C5 is ~3100lbs. Stock they put almost 300ft/lbs to the wheels right off of idle.

Unless the driver is better, the E46 is not going to win.

[Nimble]

The only thing the M3 has over the Vette is gearing. Vette has way more power and is lighter. IIRC the C5 is ~3100lbs. Stock they put almost 300ft/lbs to the wheels right off of idle.

Unless the driver is better, the E46 is not going to win.

on paper I totally hear ya. I hate to resort to mag racing, but in all reality, the two cars are REAlly close in performance stats. And the best drivers of each car, can hit high 12's, so I'd say it's more of a driver's race.

I do have some experience, as my Dad just sold his 03' Z06 and bought an 04' M3. now those 2 cars are quite a bit different in performance......
:eek:

[vjlax18]

None of what I said is mad racing. Mag Racing would be saying C&D has the Vette running X when the M3 runs X+1.

It's just a plain fact that stock C5's can be easily run in the 12's, while stock E46 M3's cannot. (Easily meaning any tom, dick, or harry)

[SilverStreak]

As John is saying, and sorta what I was saying, unless you're talking about highly skilled drag racers, the Vette has the edge...

[Flawless]

The C5 auto probably came with 2.73 gearing. There could be many reasons for the vette to lose. The vette might have had traction on :(.


don't BS this, the auto C5 vert vettes are around 5 0-60 maybe a bit higher even, the e46 M3s can beat these. Out of the vettes id think the z06 is more of competition.

No, My z28 is more of a competition for a M3 in a straight line. The z06 would beat an M3 silly.

Good kill though. If you really wanted to beat those busas, all you had to do was swing your steering to one side and watch them fly of there bikes on to the road rolling and bleeding and screaming ( j/k ofcourse )

[Grimm333]

Depends on that driver. Meaning, a very skilled drag racer will likely get similar times in both cars, but with a medium level drag racer or a novice, the Vette has a serious advantage at the strip given that level of drag racing skill cuz torque forgives many sins at the strip...


Very True.


No, My z28 is more of a competition for a M3 in a straight line. The z06 would beat an M3 silly.

Good kill though. If you really wanted to beat those busas, all you had to do was swing your steering to one side and watch them fly of there bikes on to the road rolling and bleeding and screaming ( j/k ofcourse )

LoL, I wasn't relaly trying to race them but yeah a swing to the left, back to the right another to the left should just about do it :p

[darkness95m3]

I beieve! :buttrock
Like I always said "Keep an open Mind"

[M-Phibian]

I beat two C-5 Corvettes in my car when it was stock. And BOTH were 6-speed COUPES. C-5 'vettes and E46 M3's are driver's races every single time. Period.



Nice one... but I am confused as to how even an auto/vert C5 could be beaten by an E46 M3. All he has to do is keep it floored and he should beat you handily...

Oh well, chalk up another SMG kill... :buttrock

[mattjw916]

I am going to have to try one in my M after I shark it, it might be closer than I think then...

[CRISTIAN]

I agree also, E46M3 and C5 are quiet equal, the driver will make the rules at launch :alright

Look here, official times at www.track-challenge.com
For 0-125mile/h:
E46M3 Euro (343hp) ... 18.1s
Chevy C5 (344hp) ... 17.9s

For sure is not so much difference between Euro and US M3, maybe 0,2s.

C5 is lighter but M3 has a better short gearbox, so until 125mile/h the chance are exactly equal. Only after 125mile/h in 5th gear the torque of C5 will overpass the E46M3.