E34 Vs E39

[philip9999]

Hello BMW Buddies,
What do you guys think, E34 Vs E39. Which is THE better model overall? I m deciding which model to buy, E34 540i/6 0r an E39 540i. I need your opinions fellows BMW enthusiast.

[staystackin]

Well, you're asking in a forum of people who have pretty much decided the e34 is for them. Haha.


I had an e39 540iA and sold that in order to buy my e34 540i/6. Had my e39 been a 6speed, I'd probably still have it. It was a great car, very modern feel. My e34 has a bit more of an old school feel, but I really didn't lose much in the switch. Still have heated, power, leather seats. I miss the telescoping steering wheel, stereo functions on the steering wheel, and fold down rear seats. That's pretty much it though.

And I MUCH prefer the exterior stylings of the e34. :devillook

-Wes

[ShapeShifter]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=E34+Vs+E39

I would skip both and go right for a quality car.

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[Leonator134]

:lol ^^

The E34's styling is just so much cooler than the E39's. The E39's lines are bland, unlike the E34's whose lines are defined and delicious. Like west said, just a much more "old school" feel. I daily drive my 540/6 and it's a blast to drive everyday!

Leo

[prash]

E34 540i/6 is better than the E39 in many ways, but the opposite can also be true. Depends on personal preference.

[SwissCheeseHead]

I prefer the styling of the e34 vs the e39. e39s are too bland and generic. they're very large vehicles as well. I don't know much about their interior or performance though since I've never driven one. Doesn't sound like I'm missing out on much. It also looks like you own an e39 535. I would say go out and drive an e34 and if you don't like it, you'll already know why since you'll naturally do a comparo between the two.

[Layne]

E34 is classic. E39 is just old.

[ShapeShifter]

e34 is classic. E39 is just old and bloated.

fify


Besides, platstic headlights suck They had to invent angel eyes, to mimick the good looks of the e34 which, fell short and started a horrible trend.

[e34Croak]

Apparently the search function is inoperative down under..

[ShapeShifter]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=E34+Vs+E39


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[pgasean]

:lol ^^

The E34's styling is just so much cooler than the E39's. The E39's lines are bland, unlike the E34's whose lines are defined and delicious. Like west said, just a much more "old school" feel. I daily drive my 540/6 and it's a blast to drive everyday!

Leo

I agree. I landed on the e34 because I wanted more of a classic old school bmw.

The e39 stands out to me as much as a camry.

[Korath]

You're going to have to define "better" for us.

Do you want better reliability? Better DIY repairs? Better aftermarket parts availability?

I had a 98 540i/6 and I loved that car, but when I drove an E34 540i/6 I knew I had found a better match for myself. It felt lighter, had an interior closer to the BMW classics, I still had the same six speed transmission, the V8 felt more about the powerband and less about the low end torque, and I couldn't say no to a black on black combination.

[staystackin]

:lol ^^

The E34's styling is just so much cooler than the E39's. The E39's lines are bland, unlike the E34's whose lines are defined and delicious. Like west said, just a much more "old school" feel. I daily drive my 540/6 and it's a blast to drive everyday!

Leo

Wes.



I don't agree that the e39 is old or "camry like" ... I think just like an e34, with an enthusiast at work an e39 can SHINE. I like to think I did a good job making mine look pretty cool when I had it... I would have done more, but the feeling of needing to get rid of it to get a 6 speed was too intense...

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-Wes

[ShapeShifter]

Here is what they said in the past. I have saved you hours of googling.

From anoter forum
Have owned my E39 528iTA for a week now and last night I had a late night call so had to choose which car to take - both were parked next to each other :

I chose the E 34 !

After a week I am amazed at the performance (and frugality) of the 2.8 double vanos engine. I am also amazed at the car's fantastic brakes, its tightness and the precision of its handling and ultimate roadholding, its ventilation system, seats, all its power mirrors and other power items, its quietness, refinement and safety gear etc etc.....

But I still prefer to drive the manual, 18 year old E 34 with its M20 motor. Its poise and lightness results in a chuckability that the E 39 doesn't get close to.

In fact the E 34 is better than a new E 90 I drove last week - manual 320i with sports package !

And I put most of it down to its amazing rear suspension - it really is out of the box !

If only the rest of the car could be modernised to match !

BMW - where did you go so wrong ?


I am looking for a DD that can handle 20k-25K miles a year and gets acceptable MPG's (upper 20's on Hwy). I currently have a TDI jetta that I am bored with.

Which would you choose for the best reliability, E34 or E39? Any certain engine to avoid?


thanks for the insight. I have owned M3's for the past 11 years but do not know much about 5 series.


It seems like you cannot kill an E34 525i so I would start there.


I'd go for a 97-98 e39 that has the m52 engine instead of the m52tu. The main reason I'd say that over the e34 is because I think the interior is much better in the e39.

The e39 should get slightly better gas mileage too, but I would assume that the e34 would be slightly more reliable.


E34 = tank
E39 = nice tank


Having owned both types, E34/E39 in almost all engine flavors (525i - M20, 525i - M50, 535i - M30, 540i - M60, 528i - M52/M52TU, 540i M62/M62TU) save for the //M's, I can say go with an E39. Nicer interior a little more modern and no delaminating door panels..:stickoutt

If budget is an issue then get a '95 525i, last of the E34 bunch with a little better interior materials, upgraded front grills, maybe rear headrests?

Now, if you want the power, try and find a '95 540i/6 (E34) or 97-98 540i/6 (E39) both should be reasonably priced..


wait... you own a TDI VW and are looking for a commuter that gets good mileage?

Have you thought about modding the jetta? pretty much any E39 is going to get 23-29mpg highway... but doesn't your jetta get like 40+? doing 20-25k per year. I don't think you will get good mileage with an E34 unless you get a late 525i... wich will probably be about as much fun to drive as your jetta.

say you do 22,500 miles a year and an I6 E39 will average 25 mpg... that is 900 gallons of fuel at say 3.70 a gallon... $3,300

you jetta doing the same 22,500 miles averaging lest say 40mpg (I hear this is low for the TDI but we will stick with it) will use 562 gallons... say $4 a gallon for diesel... $2,250 or so.

Is it really worth over $1000 a year in gas savings, not to mention an E34 will need more work because its old and the E39 is way more expensive to maintain than a jetta.

Just some food for thought.



e34. Much more reliable. Did someone actually say the e39 interior is nicer? Clearly they haven't seen the condition that most non enthusiast owned e39's are that come into dealerships. The driver's seat ALWAYS looks like a 500 pound person drove the car to hell and back and the seat trim/adjustment buttons are always busted off and mangled looking. Cluster lights and MID always have bad pixels and their owners are too cheap to fix them because "BMW should fix it free cuz my car is only 13 years old!!". DSC, ABS, BRAKE warning lights are on in at least 43% of them. Cup holders are ALWAYS busted.


Overall it is nicer, I'm not talking about what they may look like after they've been abused. I have experience with both cars too and I just happen to like spending time in the e39 much more.


I have to agree with this. The e39 is more quiet, and slightly more solid feeling, but after owning several e34s and several e39s since they were new, I went back to an e34. Everything is so cheap in the e39 (in comparison), I was replacing interior bits on all of them each week. :confused


@E34croak.. Any BMW non-enthusiast owned will be "ratted" out.. If nitpicking, don't forget the "seat twist" some E34's suffer, the pia cabin filter replacement, sagging headliners, etc... Each have their cross to bear... :)

OP... Get the best maintained you can afford if you really want a Funfer...


E39 interior seems pretty solid to me, bar the cupholders and my driver's seat control shroud. I like E34s as much as the other guy, but they do look mighty dated next to an E39. Shun superior reliability and cheap parts and got an E39. :smiliecap


Disa Valve, Secondary Air Injection, Oil Vapor Separator, DSC control module.. Any of you guys had to replace any of these parts?


e39 has a better interior, e34 is cheaper to fix. Having owned a few of each and doing a lot of driving myself, the e39 chassis is the car to have for a windshield warrior, hands down. If you're doing a lot of driving buy an e39 530 sport.


One major issue is diagnostics; the E34 is not OBD-II-compliant, so you have a much smaller selection of scan tools (Peake).

The V8 has cylinder bore problems.

Most E34s have been beaten to death; it will be more difficult to find a clean one.

The E34 has less electronic content, so that should be a positive.


E36 if you want decent cupholders. Never understood that.


Stick with your Jetta, you know what's wrong and right with it, your going to get better mpg. Not to mention cheaper repair costs. Don't get a e39 for gas mileage either. If anything get a e36 323i or even a 318i.


E34 will make it to 200k with minimal issues. Basically cooling and suspension. E39 will not.


You're going to be paying good money to keep either 18+ or 9+ year old cars on the road! Even a "low-mileage" car isnt all that low mileage due to the aging's effects. If you want to drive that many miles a year without spending a ton on repairs, you'll probably wind up driving something less exciting but infinitely more reliable than an old Bimmer.


I have a 211k '95 525i 5 speed that has cost me, out of necessity, a radiator because I saw a couple drops of coolant on the driveway. That's it in a year. You really can't go wrong with an E34. Get an E39 if you like one wheel drive :)

Both cars are nice but I feel more enthusiasts own E34s while more "regular old people" own E39s, so when you go looking, you get a lot of poorly maintained/kept E39s.


I love the aesthetics of the E34.
They (E34's) are considerably smaller and more go-cart like compared to the E39 Imo.
However, the E34 M5 I drove in rattled a lot more and felt less solid than my E39, which could have been attributed to the different suspensions...
The E34 reminded me of driving my old VW Bugs...
:D


This thread is funny. I recently sold my E34 525 with M52 turbo that I had owned for 7 years. I have only had my E39 for a few months. From what I have read, it seems the E34 is probably a more reliable car but only slightly. It seems the two share much of the same issues but I have read a lot more issues regarding the ABS system and the wheel speed sensors in the E39's. Both the E34 and E39 seem to have fairly similar problems with the autotragics and all BMW's have fickle cooling systems.

I had always felt that the E34>E39 for exterior styling but the E39>E34 for the interior. You all talk about how bad neglected E39 interiors are but have you seen a pre-95 E34 interior with the horrid door panels, fading rear parcel shelf and sagging headliner?? I must admit that since I have lowered my touring, shadowlined the trim and installed the Mtech bumper, I actually prefer the E39 styling over the E34 now.

They both seem like great cars to me so far.

In the end, you can't just simply compare the reliability of the E34 to the E39 as an end all be all as much of it depends on how well the PO maintained the car.


The M52 in terms of reliability is worse than the M52TU. The cooling system on the M52TU is better.

Having owned both an E34 and two E39s, here's my take:

The E39 has a nicer interior. Forget the cup holders and things like that. But a stock riding E39 is really comfy, it's quieter and gets better gas mileage and the M52TU also has more bottom end torque, which really smooths things out.

Exterior styling is up to anybody's preference.

Reliability depends solely on the upkeep of the previous owner. There are a few things that stand out in favor of one or the other. One of the main things that affects mainly I6 E39s is the ABS module which is very likely to crap out. If it does, say goodbye to $400. Or $500. Depending on how good a deal you get. Repairs are somewhat divided. Some work, some don't. Take your chances or buy a new one.

Regarding cooling systems, both have problems. All I6 really hate overheating.

Both cars should serve well and both have old car problems. Meaning, suspension work, etc etc. Some things are easier to do on an e34, some easier on an e39. Both it all depends on the upkeep of the previous owner. My E34 is beat. It's taking a lot of cash and work to get it back to where it should be. The E39 on the other hand just needed some regular and preventative maintenance. Some lower control arms, brakes, oil, coolant, rear springs oddly enough. Things like that. But if you don't keep on top of that, the list will pile up and you'll eventually end up with a huge parts bill.

Just get one that's well maintained and you'll be safe.


With 150K total on a pair of E39s, no, I haven't had to replace any of those. Not to suggest they've been totally without issues, but no problems with those parts.

I'd go with an E39. Better performance with a 6, and better mileage. E34 535 may be bulletproof, and I've put a ton of miles on M30s, but they are known for their thirst in that platform. E39 is more difficult to troubleshoot and more complicated, but either can break you if you take it somewhere for any little problem. With roughly 100K on each M52 and M52TU I'm coming to the conclusion the M52 is more reliable but the M52TU gets a little better mileage.


With 150K total on a pair of E39s, no, I haven't had to replace any of those. Not to suggest they've been totally without issues, but no problems with those parts.

I'd go with an E39. Better performance with a 6, and better mileage. E34 535 may be bulletproof, and I've put a ton of miles on M30s, but they are known for their thirst in that platform. E39 is more difficult to troubleshoot and more complicated, but either can break you if you take it somewhere for any little problem. With roughly 100K on each M52 and M52TU I'm coming to the conclusion the M52 is more reliable but the M52TU gets a little better mileage.


As I said, I've had many e34s, then several e39s and I've gone back to an e34 which I prefer. However, the section I just quoted is absolutely true. The e39 could out-handle the e34 any day, on any tires. It was impressive for it's size and weight (not that the e34 isn't...)

However, on the other end of this spectrum; as a daily driver the e39 rear suspension does require slightly more maintenance.

I do occasionally miss my e39s though...


You're comparing a well maintained, old car to a dilapidated old car. I won't argue that current e34 owners are more likely to maintain their car than current e39 owners. E60s owners are far worse.

All things being equal, car for car in similar condition, I feel the e39 is a better commuter car. I do feel the e34 is a better driver's car. E34s interior falls apart. Door panels peel and headliners sag (see e36). If taken well care of, comparable car for car, the e39 is better reliability wise as well.

I've spent more money on my e34 in the last year than I've spent on 3 e39s (a 540it, and two e39 m5s).

If you can find a nice '95 525 the e34 will be good for a commuter. A '95 540/6 is also a good car, but gets 5ish less mpg (they're pretty quick cars, too). I feel like the suspension on the e34 wears out more quickly than the e39.

I own two all things identical versions of these cars. A '94 530it(now 540it) with 165k on it and my wife drives an e39 540it with 163k on it.

my e39 touring - I replaced the drivers seat bottom foam and my cluster in my 540it. My interior is perfect now. It's only later e39s that have DSC unit problems (99 and later). You can use a used DSC on e39s, I got one for my wifes car for $60 (I don't think the guy knew what it was worth). It just required coding (i used the SSS, never tried ISTA/P). Later e39s are the ones that got the crappy DSC (99+). Other than the timing chain guides on the 540it that car has never left me stranded. It has 163k on it. I have had to do some of the normal issues, dsc, air springs, valley pan, water pump, radiator.

If you want power, go for a 97/98 540/6. If you want mileage go 530/525, but the 530 demands a premium. I just did timing chain guides on my m62tu - was a royal pain. If getting a v8 go m62.


My e34 - lost compression on motor (hence my b40 swap), blasted through a transmission, center drivehsaft bearing, suspension stuff to high hell, door panels falling apart, power steering lines, squeaks and rattles like crazy. I also did normal v8 stuff, breather plate, valley pan, water pump ect. It's got 165k on it. (2k more than my e39). There is just something that I love about my e34, though. I don't know why I like it so much. I had to sacrifice an e32 to keep the e34 going.

If buying an e34, buy a nicer one for more money initially. There is a reason people ask more money for them. I'd try to steer you to a '95 525 or 540 unless you've got a well taken care of older car. There are a lot of members on here selling very nice, well taken care of cars for fair prices. Check the e34 classified section.

A '95 540/6 with a 3.15LSD is the best of them for driving and reliability, a second close would be a '98 540/6


I love daily driving in my v8s. Have you ever driven one? Blowing by deuches in diesel trucks that are trying to speed to get infront of me and smoke me out never gets old. My m62tu averages 22mpg no matter what I do, my m60 e34 averages 18-22 depending on how much I stomp on it.

Reliability wise, m50tu>m52tu. m60s and m62s aren't bad. m62s aren't bad either, but the whole timing chain thing sucks. (not an issue until 160k)


Two completely different cars. Sure, a 5 series is a 5 series, but going from one production model to the next is a big step up. I would typically say get the newest car you can afford.



http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_5_Series_(E39)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_5_Series_(E34)

These should help answer your engine questions


E39 is superior



Not if you actually have taste. E39 is bland looking. Only the interior is better than the E34s


E34 all day long. Ive had 2 e34s and now an e39. Its a good car but its just meh...i wanna get back into an e34 very badly


e34 six speed 540 alll day


Whichever generation you pick, just be sure to get the V8. Don't be afraid of the typical M6X issues. Which are gaskets and mounts and whatnot.

I'm obviously going to tell you to get the e34. Much more unique and stands out in a crowd.
I love the feeling of the older cars, and I've owned new ones as well.


I disagree, I say turbo the I6 or yank the V8 and replace with a real V8 (lsx) :D


I approve this message :stickoutt


E39 is so much sexier of a car, obviously because I own one. I would say that but its about taste you either go with the older look with an E34 or get a newer looking E39.


The e39 is a better car. The e34 is an awesome car, though.

The only reason I ended up with the e34 is because it was less than a winter tire and wheel set for the m5.

I ended up liking it a lot more than I thought I would, but I've put a lot more time and effort into the e34 than both my e39s


I am asking the same question as I evaluate whether to buy an E39. I already have an E34 touring. My observations:

1. E39 has larger back seat room and this is important to my kids aged 6 and 14. They don't like riding in my E34 any more and complain of too little leg room. The rear bench seat itself is larger in the E39. Leg room is not hugely different but my kids like it more.

2. E39 definitely feels more luxurious inside.

3. E34 is lighter and I noticed the difference the first time I test drove an E39.

4. E39 engines have more horsepower and torque in both 6 and 8 cylinder models.

5. Aftermarket suspension and clutch parts cost a lot more for E39 than E34.

6. E34 does not have troublesome crankcase vent valve (CCV). Look it up on E39 forum if you are not familiar with this.

7. E39 is easier to find with xenon headlights.

8. Cast iron block on E34 sixes is much more tolerant of overheating the engine when the radiator or water pump fails.

9. E34 is easier to swap other engines such as S52 into because of OBD 1 electronics. OBD II on E39 makes it much more challenging to do engine swaps in states with strict inspection process.

10. Maintenance performed by previous owner(s) is very important. A neglected E39 or E34 may feel the same to you if you don't know how these cars are supposed to feel. A well sorted E34 is much livlier feeling to drive than any comparable E39.


IMHO if you are looking for more rear passenger legroom. Upgrade to the 7 series, preferably an E38


Hey all. I posted a Thread a little while ago in the E39 section as I've been looking for a second Car, something in the really cheap $3K Range preferrably. Cheapest/High Mileage examples of E39's are pretty much around there, but someone suggested that I look into E34's, which I can find easily (95 Models) for that Price.

I love the E34's and back in the day my whole family practically had them, in fact I took my driving Test in one. :buttrock

My questions are, I know they're not Japanese Car like Reliable, and I know the Gas Mileage of a 525 is okay (mid-high 20's on the Highway?), but if I'm looking to buy a $2-$3K version of one, should I be afraid of high Maintenance and Repair costs?

I wanted an E39 mainly because it's newer therefore a Safer designed Car, Safety is very important for me as I plan to take 4 hour drives across State with the Car regularly. Are there any Websites that show Crash Tests for the E34 or anywhere that can show how they perform?

And lastly, should I stick with a 95? What does a 95 Offer that the pre year don't, are they more reliable? More Features? Etc.

Thank you for any help or suggestions.


actually they are japanese car like reliable, with the exception that they are designed to be serviceable too... and maintenance needs are clearly indicated and well understood, particularly by the members of this forum.

a 3k e39 is a deathtrap or a lemon.

for 3k you can probabl get a decent 535 5speed or 92 525 5 speed that needs some work if you shop carefully.

95 has some internal and external cosmetic tweaks, and a second airbag, and a newer anti theft system.
The i6s are more reliable and less expensive to maintain, as they are simpler, and the 91-92 m50 is a nonvanos engine and requires the least maintenance of any of the offered engines.

I have 193,721 miles on mine... and as far as I can tell from the maintenance records it has only needed a new water pump, tstat, belt tensioner and idler... all normal stuff, new LCAs and thrust arms (normal) plugs, and I changed the radiator a couple of month ago.

I did have the decision of messing with the automatic transmission or changing to 5 speed, and the 5 speed was cheaper in the short and long run.


I'll tell you this, if you tbone an e34 with a new m3, the m3 will be totalled, and the e34 will drive home. They are safe enough for me to carry my family in.


Check out the faq and read it.


My dad had a 1991 525i for 12 years (it's now my first car) and it has 225,000+ miles on it .I guess you can say that is reliable. Engine still runs strong , & the only thing it needs is a paint job
but for a 16 year old and having a BMW I LOVE It . And i have not seen it Give my dad any problems except when I Grew passed 6 foot 2 and could no longer sit in the back seat so we had to get another car but i think E34's are highly reliable cars.


basically if you want to spend 2-3k and drive something for 3 years with nothing more than gas and oik changes, then no. don't buy one.

buy a toyota corolla, and don't drive an e34 into the ground


The problem with buying an E34 lies not in the necessary maintenance costs, as they are quite low comparatively. What will really sting you is the unnecessary upgrade costs you will feel compelled to complete.

Take my advice. Buy a good documented E34 and never come back to this forum. It will save you tons in the long run. :stickoutt


I swear you're dealin:shifty. Pretty soon you will be out of things to do except for some boost, but I'm not sure if you'd be one to boost that amazing E34?



Truer words haven't been spoken, this forum is worse than crack. You can try rehab, but it ain't workin:redspot


I was on the market 1 year ago looking for e39!Finaly a get another e34(540i6),paid 7000$ 130k,mint condition!Since i owned(put 20k in)replaced front control arms+soon she needs new clutch!


A short answer to the OP's question "Which is more reliable?"

Answer: Whichever one has been properly maintained.


The only way an e39 would be more reliable was if it was well maintained and had a ton less miles. My wife has put over 100k miles on her e39 '97 528iM (now at 160k) and its been quite reliable, but I would only buy another super low miles 5 speed to replace it. The 94/95 525iM is probably the best all-around service at home BMW ever made if you believe in modern comforts and airbags. The 535iM is probably the most durable of the e34s. If you can find an M50 powered 5 speed e34 with low miles 150k or less) and good maintainance for under $4k - jump on it. The e39s in this price range are likely to be scary.


and reliability should only be one of the half-dozen factors affecting a purchase decision for an automotive enthusiast
(i.e. people who consult online forums for pre-purchase information).


Plus the japanese car parts are twice the cost of the equivalent E34 part. I own a 91 civic, an 01 corolla and my 89 E34 535. The japanese cars are much simpler in design, utilitarian and boring. The same things go on all three; suspension, brakes, etc.

The E34 has some luxury electronics that can be problematic if ignored and not maintained but these issues are well known and documented here.

An E39, on the other hand is a great example of the second law of thermodynamics: quickly tends towards high entropy (disorder) :mad


I had both few months ago. Had to get rid of E39 because of weird electrical issues.. It was 2002 525i with all the options. No question it is alot more modern than an e34 and rides really nice as well but when it came down to maintaining my e34, it is really easy to work on and diagnose the problems.

Just make sure you address the weak points such as cooling system and front suspension. The other minor things that require attention are like power seats don't work in all directions now and the famous window regulators.

After so many years in BMW scene (I switched from an accord in 2000 to a e36 M3) I would pick my E34 as a most satisfying BMW for me.


I have thought about replacing my 95 525i (or adding to my inventory) a 2003 525i/530i sport/non- sport e39. However I do hear reliability stories about ABS modules and dash clusters needing replacement in addition to cooling issues (like the e34). I sort of consider it all part of BMW ownership.

Like many others I want low mileage/high quality service and all records. I also prefer local and one owner. I guess I do not want much! I have several searches going to see what is availabe at any given time.


m5 =$14,000

autotragics 140-180k

rads 100k??

waterpump every 60k

you can get a solid but not perfect 100-150k mile 95 525 5 speed for around 4-5k


Auto trany may be original. However it may not have been serviced (oil and filter change-not flush). Mine is done every 30,000 miles or so by a qualified independent BMW shop.

I suspect a 95 as you describe will also be on it's second radiator as many people change them every 70,000 miles or so as preventative mainetnace on e34s and e39s. The plastic and aluminum radiators are weak points. Necks break off and seams split. Mine is now on its third radiator. Original, 72,000 miles and at about 160,000 miles.

Again, records and pre-purchase inspection is important for any purchase.

Cannot comment on an M5 except they generally require more care.


Looks like my radiator's days are numbered. :shifty

130k now, 78k on OE radiator. Remainder of cooling system is orignal minus the coolant (duh)

[Leonator134]

:eek:

Whoops, sorry West.

:D

Wes.

[Elekta]

E34 is classic. E39 is just old.

winner

[priler]

i think it depends on who you ask. obviously if someone owns one or the other,it'll influence their opinion and the invested interest they've already made. i would probably listen a bit more to those who've owned both. ...but here's the opinion from someone who had the opportunity to get either(and looked,drove several of both,actually more e39s) one before i made my choice and price made no difference as i found that a good e34,which i compared to the 97,98 e39,made little difference.

this is all imho.

the e39 is a more accomplished car overall. it has the next generation of wizardry and body mods to make it so. ...a little more elbow room,a little more compliant ride,..driven equaly and in similar configuration,a bit more mpg and performance,..a little more extra widgets new buyers apparently want,a little better aerodynamics(the BIG difference came from e28 to e34,from there on it was more incremental,the e28's nose acting as a huge brick but looks super nice with that diving-board style). this is logical,after all,it's the next generation,..but there's more to buying a car than logic,at least for me,..there's also emotion.

the e34 looks and feels better to my eyes. the styling is more italian(Ercole Spada) and comes from the e32 with more straight lines and angles along with round lines where it counts. it's less generic,boring(not that the e39 is exactly boring),bland and i don't see it's japanese(Joji Nagashima) influence around every corner. keep in mind that the e39 is not ugly to me,but i think it's only attractive from certain angles(off way to the side from the front and back,every other angle i see generic lines). i don't know why,but i like cars that give me all the comfort i need and no more,give me too much comfort and it feels boring to me. the interior of the e34 feels closer and more intimate to me,which makes me want to be in it. i feel like i'm part of it instead of just along for the ride. i like the more angular interior lines too.

to me,the e34 is the last of the 5-series that has the classic BMW feel and looks but it also feels up-to-date and modern all at once,basically the perfection of the older generation. there's also a bit less widgets to go wrong and i feel as a diyer i can do most everything but e39 owners probably feel the same about theirs. when you walk around both(e34 and e39) and tap the body with your knuckles,the e34 feels like it's made from slightly thicker gauge steel aswell. perception?,perhaps as i haven't actually measured that but that's how they feel to me.


anyway,i hope this helps. in fact,you can use the info to decide on the e39 if you read between the lines and you know yourself well. i much prefer the e34 though. it just triggers certain emotions in me that the e39 fails to do.


i'm of the opinion that it's worth looking at the last made e34s. keep in mind that the 95 model year had fairly early 94 months production dates. also,imo,the 540 is definately worth it. the V8 is designed in such a way that it gives the fuel economy of then current I6s but with more power(similar to M5,M5 being more peaky with more of a rush up high but less torque down low,..but much better mpg than M5). the last gen 525 having better mpg overall.


comparing the e34 to e39 is extremely similar (to me) to comparing the MB W124 to the W210. guess which one i prefer. most of the pros and cons most people would say about these you can apply to the e34 and e39.


good luck.

[ShapeShifter]

The e34 was in fact produced into early 1996.

[Nicks1k]

OP posted same thread on e39 forums and I LOLed at the response on here...I have both e34 and e39 and to me both are great cars but i have 535 and 540 so they are different types of beasts.


I agree. I landed on the e34 because I wanted more of a classic old school bmw.

The e39 stands out to me as much as a camry.

If you wanted a classic old school bmw then you should've went with e28, e24, e12, or e9. Those cars look classic. I sold my e28 and got a e34 due to rust, plus i wanted an m30 powered bmw. But saying that an e39 stands out as much as Camry...lol well you obviously never had one parked in your garage. 455022

[Binjammin]

Here is what they said in the past. I have saved you hours of googling.

From anoter forum
Have owned my E39 528iTA for a week now and last night I had a late night call so had to choose which car to take - both were parked next to each other :

I chose the E 34 !

After a week I am amazed at the performance (and frugality) of the 2.8 double vanos engine. I am also amazed at the car's fantastic brakes, its tightness and the precision of its handling and ultimate roadholding, its ventilation system, seats, all its power mirrors and other power items, its quietness, refinement and safety gear etc etc.....

But I still prefer to drive the manual, 18 year old E 34 with its M20 motor. Its poise and lightness results in a chuckability that the E 39 doesn't get close to.

In fact the E 34 is better than a new E 90 I drove last week - manual 320i with sports package !

And I put most of it down to its amazing rear suspension - it really is out of the box !

If only the rest of the car could be modernised to match !

BMW - where did you go so wrong ?

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by ///Mracer http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25670369#post25670369)
I am looking for a DD that can handle 20k-25K miles a year and gets acceptable MPG's (upper 20's on Hwy). I currently have a TDI jetta that I am bored with.

Which would you choose for the best reliability, E34 or E39? Any certain engine to avoid?


thanks for the insight. I have owned M3's for the past 11 years but do not know much about 5 series.
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by AnotherGeezer http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25670391#post25670391)
It seems like you cannot kill an E34 525i so I would start there.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by e39hamann http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25670457#post25670457)
I'd go for a 97-98 e39 that has the m52 engine instead of the m52tu. The main reason I'd say that over the e34 is because I think the interior is much better in the e39.

The e39 should get slightly better gas mileage too, but I would assume that the e34 would be slightly more reliable.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by AnotherGeezer http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25670544#post25670544)
E34 = tank
E39 = nice tank



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by BMRSEB http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25670649#post25670649)
Having owned both types, E34/E39 in almost all engine flavors (525i - M20, 525i - M50, 535i - M30, 540i - M60, 528i - M52/M52TU, 540i M62/M62TU) save for the //M's, I can say go with an E39. Nicer interior a little more modern and no delaminating door panels..:stickoutt

If budget is an issue then get a '95 525i, last of the E34 bunch with a little better interior materials, upgraded front grills, maybe rear headrests?

Now, if you want the power, try and find a '95 540i/6 (E34) or 97-98 540i/6 (E39) both should be reasonably priced..



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Justin517 http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25670750#post25670750)
wait... you own a TDI VW and are looking for a commuter that gets good mileage?

Have you thought about modding the jetta? pretty much any E39 is going to get 23-29mpg highway... but doesn't your jetta get like 40+? doing 20-25k per year. I don't think you will get good mileage with an E34 unless you get a late 525i... wich will probably be about as much fun to drive as your jetta.

say you do 22,500 miles a year and an I6 E39 will average 25 mpg... that is 900 gallons of fuel at say 3.70 a gallon... $3,300

you jetta doing the same 22,500 miles averaging lest say 40mpg (I hear this is low for the TDI but we will stick with it) will use 562 gallons... say $4 a gallon for diesel... $2,250 or so.

Is it really worth over $1000 a year in gas savings, not to mention an E34 will need more work because its old and the E39 is way more expensive to maintain than a jetta.

Just some food for thought.




http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by e34Croak http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25670772#post25670772)
e34. Much more reliable. Did someone actually say the e39 interior is nicer? Clearly they haven't seen the condition that most non enthusiast owned e39's are that come into dealerships. The driver's seat ALWAYS looks like a 500 pound person drove the car to hell and back and the seat trim/adjustment buttons are always busted off and mangled looking. Cluster lights and MID always have bad pixels and their owners are too cheap to fix them because "BMW should fix it free cuz my car is only 13 years old!!". DSC, ABS, BRAKE warning lights are on in at least 43% of them. Cup holders are ALWAYS busted.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by e39hamann http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25670797#post25670797)
Overall it is nicer, I'm not talking about what they may look like after they've been abused. I have experience with both cars too and I just happen to like spending time in the e39 much more.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by OutAndBack http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25670807#post25670807)
I have to agree with this. The e39 is more quiet, and slightly more solid feeling, but after owning several e34s and several e39s since they were new, I went back to an e34. Everything is so cheap in the e39 (in comparison), I was replacing interior bits on all of them each week. :confused



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by BMRSEB http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25670886#post25670886)
@E34croak.. Any BMW non-enthusiast owned will be "ratted" out.. If nitpicking, don't forget the "seat twist" some E34's suffer, the pia cabin filter replacement, sagging headliners, etc... Each have their cross to bear... :)

OP... Get the best maintained you can afford if you really want a Funfer...



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by AusE39er http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25670971#post25670971)
E39 interior seems pretty solid to me, bar the cupholders and my driver's seat control shroud. I like E34s as much as the other guy, but they do look mighty dated next to an E39. Shun superior reliability and cheap parts and got an E39. :smiliecap



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by e34Croak http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25671007#post25671007)
Disa Valve, Secondary Air Injection, Oil Vapor Separator, DSC control module.. Any of you guys had to replace any of these parts?



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by VacMan http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25671037#post25671037)
e39 has a better interior, e34 is cheaper to fix. Having owned a few of each and doing a lot of driving myself, the e39 chassis is the car to have for a windshield warrior, hands down. If you're doing a lot of driving buy an e39 530 sport.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by edjack http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25671634#post25671634)
One major issue is diagnostics; the E34 is not OBD-II-compliant, so you have a much smaller selection of scan tools (Peake).

The V8 has cylinder bore problems.

Most E34s have been beaten to death; it will be more difficult to find a clean one.

The E34 has less electronic content, so that should be a positive.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by joako http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25672123#post25672123)
E36 if you want decent cupholders. Never understood that.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by x3izM http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25672174#post25672174)
Stick with your Jetta, you know what's wrong and right with it, your going to get better mpg. Not to mention cheaper repair costs. Don't get a e39 for gas mileage either. If anything get a e36 323i or even a 318i.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by OnTheFence http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25672213#post25672213)
E34 will make it to 200k with minimal issues. Basically cooling and suspension. E39 will not.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by ElleShooTiger http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25672818#post25672818)
You're going to be paying good money to keep either 18+ or 9+ year old cars on the road! Even a "low-mileage" car isnt all that low mileage due to the aging's effects. If you want to drive that many miles a year without spending a ton on repairs, you'll probably wind up driving something less exciting but infinitely more reliable than an old Bimmer.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by 5mall5nail5 http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25673148#post25673148)
I have a 211k '95 525i 5 speed that has cost me, out of necessity, a radiator because I saw a couple drops of coolant on the driveway. That's it in a year. You really can't go wrong with an E34. Get an E39 if you like one wheel drive :)

Both cars are nice but I feel more enthusiasts own E34s while more "regular old people" own E39s, so when you go looking, you get a lot of poorly maintained/kept E39s.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Jason5driver http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25673234#post25673234)
I love the aesthetics of the E34.
They (E34's) are considerably smaller and more go-cart like compared to the E39 Imo.
However, the E34 M5 I drove in rattled a lot more and felt less solid than my E39, which could have been attributed to the different suspensions...
The E34 reminded me of driving my old VW Bugs...
:D



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by RVAE34 http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25674591#post25674591)
This thread is funny. I recently sold my E34 525 with M52 turbo that I had owned for 7 years. I have only had my E39 for a few months. From what I have read, it seems the E34 is probably a more reliable car but only slightly. It seems the two share much of the same issues but I have read a lot more issues regarding the ABS system and the wheel speed sensors in the E39's. Both the E34 and E39 seem to have fairly similar problems with the autotragics and all BMW's have fickle cooling systems.

I had always felt that the E34>E39 for exterior styling but the E39>E34 for the interior. You all talk about how bad neglected E39 interiors are but have you seen a pre-95 E34 interior with the horrid door panels, fading rear parcel shelf and sagging headliner?? I must admit that since I have lowered my touring, shadowlined the trim and installed the Mtech bumper, I actually prefer the E39 styling over the E34 now.

They both seem like great cars to me so far.

In the end, you can't just simply compare the reliability of the E34 to the E39 as an end all be all as much of it depends on how well the PO maintained the car.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by MehMan http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25675908#post25675908)
The M52 in terms of reliability is worse than the M52TU. The cooling system on the M52TU is better.

Having owned both an E34 and two E39s, here's my take:

The E39 has a nicer interior. Forget the cup holders and things like that. But a stock riding E39 is really comfy, it's quieter and gets better gas mileage and the M52TU also has more bottom end torque, which really smooths things out.

Exterior styling is up to anybody's preference.

Reliability depends solely on the upkeep of the previous owner. There are a few things that stand out in favor of one or the other. One of the main things that affects mainly I6 E39s is the ABS module which is very likely to crap out. If it does, say goodbye to $400. Or $500. Depending on how good a deal you get. Repairs are somewhat divided. Some work, some don't. Take your chances or buy a new one.

Regarding cooling systems, both have problems. All I6 really hate overheating.

Both cars should serve well and both have old car problems. Meaning, suspension work, etc etc. Some things are easier to do on an e34, some easier on an e39. Both it all depends on the upkeep of the previous owner. My E34 is beat. It's taking a lot of cash and work to get it back to where it should be. The E39 on the other hand just needed some regular and preventative maintenance. Some lower control arms, brakes, oil, coolant, rear springs oddly enough. Things like that. But if you don't keep on top of that, the list will pile up and you'll eventually end up with a huge parts bill.

Just get one that's well maintained and you'll be safe.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Mike WW http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25676137#post25676137)
With 150K total on a pair of E39s, no, I haven't had to replace any of those. Not to suggest they've been totally without issues, but no problems with those parts.

I'd go with an E39. Better performance with a 6, and better mileage. E34 535 may be bulletproof, and I've put a ton of miles on M30s, but they are known for their thirst in that platform. E39 is more difficult to troubleshoot and more complicated, but either can break you if you take it somewhere for any little problem. With roughly 100K on each M52 and M52TU I'm coming to the conclusion the M52 is more reliable but the M52TU gets a little better mileage.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Mike WW http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25676137#post25676137)
With 150K total on a pair of E39s, no, I haven't had to replace any of those. Not to suggest they've been totally without issues, but no problems with those parts.

I'd go with an E39. Better performance with a 6, and better mileage. E34 535 may be bulletproof, and I've put a ton of miles on M30s, but they are known for their thirst in that platform. E39 is more difficult to troubleshoot and more complicated, but either can break you if you take it somewhere for any little problem. With roughly 100K on each M52 and M52TU I'm coming to the conclusion the M52 is more reliable but the M52TU gets a little better mileage.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by OutAndBack http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25676273#post25676273)
As I said, I've had many e34s, then several e39s and I've gone back to an e34 which I prefer. However, the section I just quoted is absolutely true. The e39 could out-handle the e34 any day, on any tires. It was impressive for it's size and weight (not that the e34 isn't...)

However, on the other end of this spectrum; as a daily driver the e39 rear suspension does require slightly more maintenance.

I do occasionally miss my e39s though...



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Aradaiel http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25679903#post25679903)
You're comparing a well maintained, old car to a dilapidated old car. I won't argue that current e34 owners are more likely to maintain their car than current e39 owners. E60s owners are far worse.

All things being equal, car for car in similar condition, I feel the e39 is a better commuter car. I do feel the e34 is a better driver's car. E34s interior falls apart. Door panels peel and headliners sag (see e36). If taken well care of, comparable car for car, the e39 is better reliability wise as well.

I've spent more money on my e34 in the last year than I've spent on 3 e39s (a 540it, and two e39 m5s).

If you can find a nice '95 525 the e34 will be good for a commuter. A '95 540/6 is also a good car, but gets 5ish less mpg (they're pretty quick cars, too). I feel like the suspension on the e34 wears out more quickly than the e39.

I own two all things identical versions of these cars. A '94 530it(now 540it) with 165k on it and my wife drives an e39 540it with 163k on it.

my e39 touring - I replaced the drivers seat bottom foam and my cluster in my 540it. My interior is perfect now. It's only later e39s that have DSC unit problems (99 and later). You can use a used DSC on e39s, I got one for my wifes car for $60 (I don't think the guy knew what it was worth). It just required coding (i used the SSS, never tried ISTA/P). Later e39s are the ones that got the crappy DSC (99+). Other than the timing chain guides on the 540it that car has never left me stranded. It has 163k on it. I have had to do some of the normal issues, dsc, air springs, valley pan, water pump, radiator.

If you want power, go for a 97/98 540/6. If you want mileage go 530/525, but the 530 demands a premium. I just did timing chain guides on my m62tu - was a royal pain. If getting a v8 go m62.


My e34 - lost compression on motor (hence my b40 swap), blasted through a transmission, center drivehsaft bearing, suspension stuff to high hell, door panels falling apart, power steering lines, squeaks and rattles like crazy. I also did normal v8 stuff, breather plate, valley pan, water pump ect. It's got 165k on it. (2k more than my e39). There is just something that I love about my e34, though. I don't know why I like it so much. I had to sacrifice an e32 to keep the e34 going.

If buying an e34, buy a nicer one for more money initially. There is a reason people ask more money for them. I'd try to steer you to a '95 525 or 540 unless you've got a well taken care of older car. There are a lot of members on here selling very nice, well taken care of cars for fair prices. Check the e34 classified section.

A '95 540/6 with a 3.15LSD is the best of them for driving and reliability, a second close would be a '98 540/6



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Aradaiel http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25680899#post25680899)
I love daily driving in my v8s. Have you ever driven one? Blowing by deuches in diesel trucks that are trying to speed to get infront of me and smoke me out never gets old. My m62tu averages 22mpg no matter what I do, my m60 e34 averages 18-22 depending on how much I stomp on it.

Reliability wise, m50tu>m52tu. m60s and m62s aren't bad. m62s aren't bad either, but the whole timing chain thing sucks. (not an issue until 160k)



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by White94RX http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=24963717#post24963717)
Two completely different cars. Sure, a 5 series is a 5 series, but going from one production model to the next is a big step up. I would typically say get the newest car you can afford.




http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by eightynine535 http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=24965986#post24965986)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_5_Series_(E39 (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_5_Series_%28E39))

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_5_Series_(E34 (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_5_Series_%28E34))

These should help answer your engine questions



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by 99e39m62 http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=24993879#post24993879)
E39 is superior




http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by eightynine535 http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25020280#post25020280)
Not if you actually have taste. E39 is bland looking. Only the interior is better than the E34s



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by keith2 http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25020294#post25020294)
E34 all day long. Ive had 2 e34s and now an e39. Its a good car but its just meh...i wanna get back into an e34 very badly



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by sb325i http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25035745#post25035745)
e34 six speed 540 alll day



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Justin6745 http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25051273#post25051273)
Whichever generation you pick, just be sure to get the V8. Don't be afraid of the typical M6X issues. Which are gaskets and mounts and whatnot.

I'm obviously going to tell you to get the e34. Much more unique and stands out in a crowd.
I love the feeling of the older cars, and I've owned new ones as well.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by RVAE34 http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25052250#post25052250)
I disagree, I say turbo the I6 or yank the V8 and replace with a real V8 (lsx) :D



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Justin6745 http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25052302#post25052302)
I approve this message :stickoutt



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by antsE39 http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25058992#post25058992)
E39 is so much sexier of a car, obviously because I own one. I would say that but its about taste you either go with the older look with an E34 or get a newer looking E39.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Aradaiel http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25063572#post25063572)
The e39 is a better car. The e34 is an awesome car, though.

The only reason I ended up with the e34 is because it was less than a winter tire and wheel set for the m5.

I ended up liking it a lot more than I thought I would, but I've put a lot more time and effort into the e34 than both my e39s



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Mark185 http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25082759#post25082759)
I am asking the same question as I evaluate whether to buy an E39. I already have an E34 touring. My observations:

1. E39 has larger back seat room and this is important to my kids aged 6 and 14. They don't like riding in my E34 any more and complain of too little leg room. The rear bench seat itself is larger in the E39. Leg room is not hugely different but my kids like it more.

2. E39 definitely feels more luxurious inside.

3. E34 is lighter and I noticed the difference the first time I test drove an E39.

4. E39 engines have more horsepower and torque in both 6 and 8 cylinder models.

5. Aftermarket suspension and clutch parts cost a lot more for E39 than E34.

6. E34 does not have troublesome crankcase vent valve (CCV). Look it up on E39 forum if you are not familiar with this.

7. E39 is easier to find with xenon headlights.

8. Cast iron block on E34 sixes is much more tolerant of overheating the engine when the radiator or water pump fails.

9. E34 is easier to swap other engines such as S52 into because of OBD 1 electronics. OBD II on E39 makes it much more challenging to do engine swaps in states with strict inspection process.

10. Maintenance performed by previous owner(s) is very important. A neglected E39 or E34 may feel the same to you if you don't know how these cars are supposed to feel. A well sorted E34 is much livlier feeling to drive than any comparable E39.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by eightynine535 http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=25087302#post25087302)
IMHO if you are looking for more rear passenger legroom. Upgrade to the 7 series, preferably an E38



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by K A http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14453108#post14453108)
Hey all. I posted a Thread a little while ago in the E39 section as I've been looking for a second Car, something in the really cheap $3K Range preferrably. Cheapest/High Mileage examples of E39's are pretty much around there, but someone suggested that I look into E34's, which I can find easily (95 Models) for that Price.

I love the E34's and back in the day my whole family practically had them, in fact I took my driving Test in one. :buttrock

My questions are, I know they're not Japanese Car like Reliable, and I know the Gas Mileage of a 525 is okay (mid-high 20's on the Highway?), but if I'm looking to buy a $2-$3K version of one, should I be afraid of high Maintenance and Repair costs?

I wanted an E39 mainly because it's newer therefore a Safer designed Car, Safety is very important for me as I plan to take 4 hour drives across State with the Car regularly. Are there any Websites that show Crash Tests for the E34 or anywhere that can show how they perform?

And lastly, should I stick with a 95? What does a 95 Offer that the pre year don't, are they more reliable? More Features? Etc.

Thank you for any help or suggestions.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by attack eagle http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14453293#post14453293)
actually they are japanese car like reliable, with the exception that they are designed to be serviceable too... and maintenance needs are clearly indicated and well understood, particularly by the members of this forum.

a 3k e39 is a deathtrap or a lemon.

for 3k you can probabl get a decent 535 5speed or 92 525 5 speed that needs some work if you shop carefully.

95 has some internal and external cosmetic tweaks, and a second airbag, and a newer anti theft system.
The i6s are more reliable and less expensive to maintain, as they are simpler, and the 91-92 m50 is a nonvanos engine and requires the least maintenance of any of the offered engines.

I have 193,721 miles on mine... and as far as I can tell from the maintenance records it has only needed a new water pump, tstat, belt tensioner and idler... all normal stuff, new LCAs and thrust arms (normal) plugs, and I changed the radiator a couple of month ago.

I did have the decision of messing with the automatic transmission or changing to 5 speed, and the 5 speed was cheaper in the short and long run.


I'll tell you this, if you tbone an e34 with a new m3, the m3 will be totalled, and the e34 will drive home. They are safe enough for me to carry my family in.


Check out the faq and read it.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by TheBeastE34 http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14453439#post14453439)
My dad had a 1991 525i for 12 years (it's now my first car) and it has 225,000+ miles on it .I guess you can say that is reliable. Engine still runs strong , & the only thing it needs is a paint job
but for a 16 year old and having a BMW I LOVE It . And i have not seen it Give my dad any problems except when I Grew passed 6 foot 2 and could no longer sit in the back seat so we had to get another car but i think E34's are highly reliable cars.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by attack eagle http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14453466#post14453466)
basically if you want to spend 2-3k and drive something for 3 years with nothing more than gas and oik changes, then no. don't buy one.

buy a toyota corolla, and don't drive an e34 into the ground



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by zubbie http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14455168#post14455168)
The problem with buying an E34 lies not in the necessary maintenance costs, as they are quite low comparatively. What will really sting you is the unnecessary upgrade costs you will feel compelled to complete.

Take my advice. Buy a good documented E34 and never come back to this forum. It will save you tons in the long run. :stickoutt



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by clevertd http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14455187#post14455187)
I swear you're dealin:shifty. Pretty soon you will be out of things to do except for some boost, but I'm not sure if you'd be one to boost that amazing E34?



Truer words haven't been spoken, this forum is worse than crack. You can try rehab, but it ain't workin:redspot



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by cssari http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14455388#post14455388)
I was on the market 1 year ago looking for e39!Finaly a get another e34(540i6),paid 7000$ 130k,mint condition!Since i owned(put 20k in)replaced front control arms+soon she needs new clutch!



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by TouringDan http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14455455#post14455455)
A short answer to the OP's question "Which is more reliable?"

Answer: Whichever one has been properly maintained.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by HausBimmer http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14455456#post14455456)
The only way an e39 would be more reliable was if it was well maintained and had a ton less miles. My wife has put over 100k miles on her e39 '97 528iM (now at 160k) and its been quite reliable, but I would only buy another super low miles 5 speed to replace it. The 94/95 525iM is probably the best all-around service at home BMW ever made if you believe in modern comforts and airbags. The 535iM is probably the most durable of the e34s. If you can find an M50 powered 5 speed e34 with low miles 150k or less) and good maintainance for under $4k - jump on it. The e39s in this price range are likely to be scary.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by jessejames http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14455857#post14455857)
and reliability should only be one of the half-dozen factors affecting a purchase decision for an automotive enthusiast
(i.e. people who consult online forums for pre-purchase information).



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by zubbie http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14455862#post14455862)
Plus the japanese car parts are twice the cost of the equivalent E34 part. I own a 91 civic, an 01 corolla and my 89 E34 535. The japanese cars are much simpler in design, utilitarian and boring. The same things go on all three; suspension, brakes, etc.

The E34 has some luxury electronics that can be problematic if ignored and not maintained but these issues are well known and documented here.

An E39, on the other hand is a great example of the second law of thermodynamics: quickly tends towards high entropy (disorder) :mad



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by miii http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14456088#post14456088)
I had both few months ago. Had to get rid of E39 because of weird electrical issues.. It was 2002 525i with all the options. No question it is alot more modern than an e34 and rides really nice as well but when it came down to maintaining my e34, it is really easy to work on and diagnose the problems.

Just make sure you address the weak points such as cooling system and front suspension. The other minor things that require attention are like power seats don't work in all directions now and the famous window regulators.

After so many years in BMW scene (I switched from an accord in 2000 to a e36 M3) I would pick my E34 as a most satisfying BMW for me.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Russellc http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14456100#post14456100)
I have thought about replacing my 95 525i (or adding to my inventory) a 2003 525i/530i sport/non- sport e39. However I do hear reliability stories about ABS modules and dash clusters needing replacement in addition to cooling issues (like the e34). I sort of consider it all part of BMW ownership.

Like many others I want low mileage/high quality service and all records. I also prefer local and one owner. I guess I do not want much! I have several searches going to see what is availabe at any given time.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by attack eagle http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14460345#post14460345)
m5 =$14,000

autotragics 140-180k

rads 100k??

waterpump every 60k

you can get a solid but not perfect 100-150k mile 95 525 5 speed for around 4-5k



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Russellc http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14460376#post14460376)
Auto trany may be original. However it may not have been serviced (oil and filter change-not flush). Mine is done every 30,000 miles or so by a qualified independent BMW shop.

I suspect a 95 as you describe will also be on it's second radiator as many people change them every 70,000 miles or so as preventative mainetnace on e34s and e39s. The plastic and aluminum radiators are weak points. Necks break off and seams split. Mine is now on its third radiator. Original, 72,000 miles and at about 160,000 miles.

Again, records and pre-purchase inspection is important for any purchase.

Cannot comment on an M5 except they generally require more care.



http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by 4500 RPM http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/styles/scarydark/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14460820#post14460820)
Looks like my radiator's days are numbered. :shifty

130k now, 78k on OE radiator. Remainder of cooling system is orignal minus the coolant (duh)










Yeah, I quoted this post. So what? :shifty

[viper830]

i've had both a e34 and e39 the e34 was the better one both had the 2.5 engine but the e34 drove better and was more comfortable the e39 was good but it felt like it was holding back on power get a drive in both see for urself then you can decide

[coolvegase34]

E34 all the way. I test drove my e34 and simultaneously drove an e39 and there was no comparison. The e34 is a more solidly built car IMO.

[mpaganr34]

Both are great cars. Drive both, see what you like, buy it.

[bfp9]

I'll take an e39 m5 over any of the e34 models. Although - if it came down to it and I had to have a 525 or 540, I'd probably end up taking the e34. I have driven a lot of powerful cars - I can tell you this much, the e39 m5 has the most useable torque I have ever felt in a car which is part of the reason I love it. From a looks standpoint on the exterior, I think e34s look great - but not much better than an e39. Interior wise, I'll take the e39 anyday of the week. The e39 has way more room in the backseats which is a major plus.

That's my thinking on this whole issue.

[sbeckman7]

Both are great cars. Drive both, see what you like, buy it.

In the end this is what it comes down to, regardless of what anyone else says. No one can judge a car for you. My personal opinion? I've driven both chassis quite a bit and have equally large soft spots for both my dad's e39 and my own e34. I think at the end of the day I chose my E34 because it was the best car for my price range, and it ended up being the best first car period. But I always enjoy driving my dad's car too. All it needs is more power... an M30 powered E39 would be awesome :)

[PorscheH6]

I didn't read this thread because I expect it to be like any other e34 vs e39 thread.

E39 is a better car, E34 looks nicer, while still very good.

[ShapeShifter]

Well, there ya go. I'm convinced.
Anybody want to buy an e34 540?
Anybody selling an e39 528?

[Layne]

Anybody want to buy an e34 540?

Dude, we all just read the same post you did. No one is going to buy an e34 now.

[PorscheH6]

:shifty

[ShapeShifter]

Dam! I wish I would have hit the search button before buying it....

Just think, I could've had an e39 and now I'm stuck with a lowly e34. Life sucks.

[Only1Balto]

I love my E39 540.




Sent from my E39 540.

[Sneezy]

These are always fun...ish.

I have one of each, both 540s in six speed trim with the minor MTech goodies.

I sniff at your angst.

;)

[TylerP]

I have never driven an E34(Though im in the market), but i have driven my friends E39. We did about 140 through some twisty parts of I75 and felt completely planted. The car felt solid. and has a very comfy feel to it. However, i am a HUGE fan of the way the E34 looks, and cant stand the looks of the E39. To me they are as most of you have put it as "Bland". IF i could get an E34 to handle as good as my friends 540i M-Sport. Id be completely happy with it.

[K Fox]

IF i could get an E34 to handle as good as my friends 540i M-Sport. Id be completely happy with it.

Well, the good news is that you can get one to handle better than his E39...But since that's not 'as good' it's likely not gonna work...:(

Fox (sarcasm doesn't ever translate well over the internet, but I try anyway :stickoutt)

[atl530i]

When my E34 was wrecked last year, I was seriously considering getting an E39 but decided not to. I test drove a few (528i5, 540iA, and 540i6) and could not get used to the feel of the car. They all drove great, handled well but it felt like I was in a boat compared to the E34. This may not be true for others but the E39 felt a lot bigger than the E34. Some of the problems that the E39 has such as ABS pump issues and the water cooled alternators (some models) steered me away from the E39. I may get one later but after having a few different E34s, it would be a long time from now unless I got one at a steal.

[Cpreset]

Another fun fact is that e34 is easier to type then e39

[Only1Balto]

I guess I'll throw my .2 in. Honestly I think the 34's look dated. There have been a handful that I've seen on the forums that I thought "that's a sexy car right there" but most of the ones I've seen here and in real life make me not want to like them. Before I knew anything about BMW's- I thought the e34 body styles were from the late 80's early 90's, and that the E46 started the same years the E39 went into production. Obviously I know better now- but that was my unbiased opinion from the outside looking in. I personally adore the E39 and E46 styling over the 34. I wouldn't doubt the 34 handles like a go-cart. And I could also see the build quality being slightly better than the 39, as almost all of the interiors I've seen of the e34 puts mine to shame. Its funny- the older the BMW model down the time line, the longer lasting and better quality the interior. And the 34 leans slightly towards the older style BMW's rather than the new. With that being said, I love the way the e39 looks, the way it sounds (540), and how I feel when I drive it. Those are the most important aspects IMO when just looking for a nice car to drive/have.

[kalevera]

E39s make better use of technology and safety standards. They're made of lower quality materials, especially interior materials. They are better designed for big and fat people.

E34s have better build quality, but they're made for 170# 5'10" german dudes

But 30-40 years out I think it's likely there will be more E39s around simply because their ~200# of wiring and control modules are easier to diagnose/repair than on E34s.



Honestly I think the 34's look dated.

and '12, but I agree with you

[M540fella]

Lol @ these threads. I've been asked a few times what year mine was, and they were always surprised when I say 95'.
I think Pat has really helped you out and this thread should now be closed.
Go ask a sub forum that really matters: e36.

[Costa Mellios]

It totally depends on the car you have. My E34 is on the same level as an E39 M5 for about the same cost if you add all the modifications up. I enjoy my E34 a lot but, I still want to own an E39 M5 one day. The car just looks and feels more solid. Even with a fully dynamatted car like mine, it still doesn't feel as tight and quiet as the E39.

http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc401/costamellios/1995%20BMW%20540i6/455C868F-4055-46D1-BAE8-79EA06B5ECB0-9031-000003AD57D4DFEF.jpg

[philip9999]

That's it, I am convinced. I will sell my E39 and start searching for an E34 540i/6 Limited Edition. There are only 70 made for Australian market, so it will be hard to find, very rare. I don't want an ordinary E34 540i.

[ShapeShifter]

E34s have better build quality, but they're made for 170# 5'10" german dudes


Thats why this car fits me soo good! I think I may have been persuaded to keep my old bucket o' bolts. Thanks!

[Sneezy]

Oh hai gais. Has anybody put Buick seats in a '95 540? The ones it came with are soooo small. Germans must all be Keebler elves lolol!!!1111one tia

kthxbai

[BoldUlysses]

But 30-40 years out I think it's likely there will be more E39s around simply because their ~200# of wiring and control modules are easier to diagnose/repair than on E34s

Sarcasm? :confused

Seriously, where does this idea that E34s have chronic electrical problems come from? Is it just projection on the part of E39 owners, who do struggle with the issue? Electrically, E39s are an order of magnitude more complex than E34s, and the latter are very easy, or at least not any more difficult than your average car, to diagnose when electrons go where they're not supposed to.

[Layne]

but they're made for 170# 5'10" german dudes


I'm like 230# and I have no issue with E34's, or even E21 sport seats. E39 should hold up to 350# easy enough. Beyond that you'll need a Crown Victoria.

[Binjammin]

Sarcasm? :confused

Seriously, where does this idea that E34s have chronic electrical problems come from? Is it just projection on the part of E39 owners, who do struggle with the issue? Electrically, E39s are an order of magnitude more complex than E34s, and the latter are very easy, or at least not any more difficult than your average car, to diagnose when electrons go where they're not supposed to.

E39s may be more complex electrically, but paradoxically this makes them more easy to diagnose. Having more feedback about what's wrong makes diagnosing an issue way easier than less information.

Think of it like... let's say I have a pain somewhere in my body. I stand yelling "OUCH" until someone hears, then they have to figure me out because I'm just repeating OUCHOUCHOUCH over and over again, versions me yelling OUCH, the doctor comes over and says "Hey buddy, what's the haps?" and I say "I have a terrible pain in all the diodes down my left side." Sure, I may be more complex, but it's more feedback and thus makes diagnosis easier.

[BoldUlysses]

Understood, but my impression (and could be—and very likely is—incorrect) was that E34s in general had fewer electrical problems than E39s to begin with. The standard view of the E34 among the E39 folks seems to be that it's some kind of inscrutable electrical basket case.

[AndrewH]

People who buy e34's are just the scrubs who couldn't afford e39's.

[Only1Balto]

A scrub is a guy who thinks he's fly

[Korath]

I guess I'll join shapeshifter. Anybody want to trade a '95 540i/6 for a e39 525i/A? It sounds like so much of an upgrade! Here I am stuck with an e34. XD

[priler]

It totally depends on the car you have. My E34 is on the same level as an E39 M5 for about the same cost if you add all the modifications up. I enjoy my E34 a lot but, I still want to own an E39 M5 one day. The car just looks and feels more solid. Even with a fully dynamatted car like mine, it still doesn't feel as tight and quiet as the E39.

oh yes yes. you need to get rid of that e34 fast. it's too loose,sloppy,slacky and it's way too noisy,a real rattle trap. i mean just look at it,it's too upright and way too chiseled. how dare they combine straight lines with rounded ones. how dare they leave exposed headlights within scoops,disgusting,...who do they think they are,pininfarina?

yes yes,the e39 is far superior and much less girly,that's it,that's what you need.




http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc401/costamellios/1995%20BMW%20540i6/455C868F-4055-46D1-BAE8-79EA06B5ECB0-9031-000003AD57D4DFEF.jpg


...and it's black too. yuck.

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oops,..you see,that's what happens when you own an e34,you can't even quote someone properly.

[SpeedsterBek]

Are you trolling OP? You posted the same question in E39 section:
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?1982883-E34-Vs-E39

[Costa Mellios]

...and it's black too. yuck.

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oops,..you see,that's what happens when you own an e34,you can't even quote someone properly.

priler PLS

[ShapeShifter]

...and it's black too. yuck.


Don't make this an issue of race... LOL

[Korath]

455202

[priler]

Don't make this an issue of race... LOL


i wasn't even thinking in those terms but i know your just busting...

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priler PLS


it went all wrong :(,read right below what you said.

[Costa Mellios]

In summary

my E34 > non M E39
E39 M5 > my E34

[cochise325]

Well the E34 and the E39 are the best fivers built to date. Unfortunately the later generation fivers and not worthy of the name.

Back in 1995 I was ready to buy a fiver. I knew the E39 was coming and wondered if it was wise to wait for it. My dealer had a brand new E34 1995 525i with 5 speed manual and every available option sitting in the showroom. It was so damn fine I just coveted that thing. The dealer offered me a good deal, but I hesitated because I was thinking about what the E39 might be like, since it was only a few months away. The dealer told me if I was not going to buy the E34 he had a Doctor that would lease it on a 30 month lease. I took a pass and the Doctor got the car.

Months later the E39 arrives. And I immediately regretted not buying that E34. I moped for 2 years. Then the call came. The Doctor was turning in his leased E34 and the dealer wanted to know if I was interested in buying the car. This was to be the first CPO car the dealer would deliver. 22k miles on the odometer. I took the leap. First used car I ever purchased. My wife wondered if I had lost my mind, and I remember telling her that it would be the best car we would ever own.

I enjoyed that car for 15 years. Put 134k miles on top of the 22k that it had on it when I bought it.


Then one fateful evening, on the way home from a church concert, with my wife at my side, and my son in the back seat, a drunk driver smashed into our E34. He did $20,000 of damage to our E34. So it was over for that E34. Luckily we were banged up, but not broken. That E34 saved us from suffering a lot more bodily damage.

I never regretted buying that E34 instead of that E39. Was it the best damn car I ever owned? Yes it was. Do I wish I could have another E34? Yes I do. Do I wish BMW would build a brand new E34 for me just like that 1995. HELL YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is my story and I am stricking to it.

[ShapeShifter]

Now that's a great story, hope it makes up for the usually nonsense.
This poster is guilty as charged.

[barry8108]

It's really just opinion, I drove a e39 540 with the m package and i thought it was a great car, better than a e34 both in looks and interior quality. It is a more modern looking car, and a stock e39 looks far better than a stock e34 525. Now when you have a nice modded e34, it's a different story, but take a stock 93 525 and it just looks so dated now. I was in So Calif recently, where the BMW's drive in packs because there are so many of them, and then i saw a white stock 525, and it just looked ugly and old compared to the newer ones. But take a e39 528i with the sport package including the style 5's, and they look really good still.

[prash]

The old arguments over E34 vs E39 are more interesting to read because back in the day the 5-series sub-forum had just one room so all the E34 and E39 owners would come together.

This thread is almost exclusively read by E34 owners.

Bottom line: The E34 is a far better drivers car but not as luxurious or comfortable as the E39. The E34 feels more connected to the road than the E39.

Personally the only thing I wish the E34 had from the E39 is the entire HVAC system. The E34 system sux.

[M540fella]

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?1906007-Epic-pic-thread

[Porthos]

I love my E34 Touring, though it is time for me to part with it because it is just getting to take up too much of my time. I would have to say it would be easier to find a quality E39 than to find a E34 in decent shape. Almost all of the E34s I have seen recently up for sale have just been in terrible condition. But I would have to say I really like both the E34 and the E39. I think the E39 is the last of the true 5 series. All the new ones are just "meh" and nothing really special. I looked a brand new F10 M5 and the damn thing is as big as my Touring.

[philip9999]

http://www.jdmeuro.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/011.jpg
just beautiful.

[Mels5406]

If I were to choose between m5s it would be the e39 all day. I drive an e39 but the look of the 34 absolutely far more beautiful than an e39. My next BMW will certainly be an e34! But I do intend to keep the 540/6 as long as possible.

[Danni540]

I've had both E34 540i and E39 540i.

E39 540i is the best car I have ever owned.

But the E34 is the most fun car and IMO looks a lot better, so I choose to keep it instead of getting another E39.

I might get an E39 with a small engine for winter driving purposes next winter, although I don't think a 6cyl E39 is anywhere close to being as good as an 8 cyl one.

[Mels5406]

I've had both E34 540i and E39 540i.

E39 540i is the best car I have ever owned.

But the E34 is the most fun car and IMO looks a lot better, so I choose to keep it instead of getting another E39.

I might get an E39 with a small engine for winter driving purposes next winter, although I don't think a 6cyl E39 is anywhere close to being as good as an 8 cyl one.

My thoughts exactly, but opposite. I would like to pick up a small engine e34 as a daily at some point but I think I'd miss the daily torque dose from the 540.

[bfp9]

My thoughts exactly, but opposite. I would like to pick up a small engine e34 as a daily at some point but I think I'd miss the daily torque dose from the 540.

You don't know torque till you hop behind the wheel on an m20 with auto tranny e34 - especially if it is bronzit on tan. THEN, you will know the definition of torque.

[Costa Mellios]

You don't know torque till you hop behind the wheel on an m20 with auto tranny e34 - especially if it is bronzit on tan. THEN, you will know the definition of torque.

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[Bmw e34 mru]

Hi everyone im about to buy an bmw e34 my 2nd one but this time i want to knw if the front grill of an bmw e38 plus the headlight will fit an e34?if someone have picture please email it to me on : ranbirbmwlover@hotmail.com