BMW 335is 2013

[Kelvin335is]

Can someone please help me with any advise?

AS PER BMW,

5140 READ FAULT MEMORY, CONNECTED BATTERY CHARGER FAULT CODE
2A9A,31002A9B, RAN TEST PLAN, UPON INSPECTION, NOTED FRONT BOLT HAD
BEEN PULLED FREE AND THREADS STRIPPED, THIS COMMON WITH AN ENGINE OVER REV.(DAMAGING INTERNAL ENGINE COMPONENTS . THIS WAS LATER CONFIRMED THROUGH DIAGNOSTIC READOUTS PERFORMED BY BMWNA TSE VIA
CONMPUTER. AS PER BMW TECHNICAL SUPPORT ENGINNER, DISASSEMBLE AND REASSEMBLED COMPLETE ENGINE TO INSPECT DAMAGE, ALL EXHAUST VALVE HIT
THE TOP OF THE PISTONS, CRANKSHAFT TREAD ARE STREIPPED OUT ALONG WITH
THE CENTER BOLT. METAL GOT INTO ENGINE BLOCK WHICH WILL RESULT IN FURTHER ENGINE PROBLEM WITH OIL PASSAGES AND OIL PUMP. RECOMMED COMPLETE ENGINE. CUS DECIDED TO NOT PROCEED WITH REPAIR. BMW IS MAIL ATACCHMENTS. **CUSTOME GOODWILL DIAGNOSIS COURTESY OF DCH MIDLAND
DIAGNOSIS APPROVED BY BMW TSE** NO REPAIR PERFORMED AS PER CUSTOMER
NECESSARY REPAIRS NOT COVERRED UNDER BMW WARRANTY AS VEHICLE WAS OVER REVVED... KEEP IN MIND THIS CAR IS BRAND NEW 2013 WITH 5,140 MILES 335IS. I NEVER OVER REVVED!

[Kelvin335is]

5140 read fault memory, connected battery charger fault code
2a9a,31002a9b, ran test plan, upon inspection, noted front bolt had
been pulled free and threads stripped, this common with an engine over rev.(damaging internal engine components . This was later confirmed through diagnostic readouts performed by bmwna tse via
conmputer. As per bmw technical support enginner, disassemble and reassembled complete engine to inspect damage, all exhaust valve hit
the top of the pistons, crankshaft tread are streipped out along with
the center bolt. Metal got into engine block which will result in further engine problem with oil passages and oil pump. Recommed complete engine. Cus decided to not proceed with repair. Bmw is mail atacchments. **custome goodwill diagnosis courtesy of dch midland
diagnosis approved by bmw tse** no repair performed as per customer
necessary repairs not coverred under bmw warranty as vehicle was over revved... Keep in mind this car is brand new 2013 with 5,140 miles 335is. I never over revved!

[KenU8187]

Not sure what the 335is cherry pop mileage is but iirc I believe it's 7k like the M3, if you went up to 6/ 7k RPMs at 5100miles you indeed did over rev.

[Pyewacket69]

5140 read fault memory, connected battery charger fault code
2a9a,31002a9b, ran test plan, upon inspection, noted front bolt had
been pulled free and threads stripped, this common with an engine over rev.(damaging internal engine components . This was later confirmed through diagnostic readouts performed by bmwna tse via
conmputer. As per bmw technical support enginner, disassemble and reassembled complete engine to inspect damage, all exhaust valve hit
the top of the pistons, crankshaft tread are streipped out along with
the center bolt. Metal got into engine block which will result in further engine problem with oil passages and oil pump. Recommed complete engine. Cus decided to not proceed with repair. Bmw is mail atacchments. **custome goodwill diagnosis courtesy of dch midland
diagnosis approved by bmw tse** no repair performed as per customer
necessary repairs not coverred under bmw warranty as vehicle was over revved... Keep in mind this car is brand new 2013 with 5,140 miles 335is. I never over revved!


Is the engine completely stock, or has it been modified with performance enhancements?

There's a lot of info stored in the electronics on a modern BMW, and it wouldn't surprise me to see info retained on engine rpm, speed, etc. and, BMW definitely can access that information. That seems to be the case here, based on the "This was later confirmed through diagnostic readouts performed by BMWNA TSE via computer".

Maybe I'm dense on this subject, but don't all modern cars come with rev limiters? Of course, if there are engine modifications, all bets are off...

[Pyewacket69]

Not sure what the 335is cherry pop mileage is but iirc I believe it's 7k like the M3, if you went up to 6/ 7k RPMs at 5100miles you indeed did over rev.

Well, the owners manual states the following...

Break-in period
Moving parts need breaking-in time to adjust to each other. Please follow the instructions below in order to achieve the optimal service life and economy of operation for your vehicle.

Engine and differential
Always obey all official speed limits.
Up to 1,200 miles/2,000 km
Drive at varying engine and road speeds, but do not exceed an engine speed of 4,500 rpm or a road speed of 100 mph/160 km/h.
Avoid full-throttle operation and use of the transmission's kickdown mode.

After driving 1,200 miles/2,000 km
Engine and vehicle speeds can be gradually increased.

[Kelvin335is]

Yes, completely stock, no mod or performance enhancements. Hardly drove the car. I was assuming it has a rev limiter. It took them over 37days to let me know all this information. I was caught by surprised when the service adviser told me BMW won’t be covering the repair, cost to fix my car $21,250. Can BMW provide me with day and time of the event (over revved)? Because back in February my car was in the service center for repair and took them about a month to give my car back I noticed they drove my car for 2miles. I had my car for about a week before died on me while was stopped at a red light.

[Critter7r]

Is the engine completely stock, or has it been modified with performance enhancements?

There's a lot of info stored in the electronics on a modern BMW, and it wouldn't surprise me to see info retained on engine rpm, speed, etc. and, BMW definitely can access that information. That seems to be the case here, based on the "This was later confirmed through diagnostic readouts performed by BMWNA TSE via computer".

Maybe I'm dense on this subject, but don't all modern cars come with rev limiters? Of course, if there are engine modifications, all bets are off...

Rev limiters don't work when one is diving into a corner at 80mph and one inadvertently grabs 2nd gear when aiming for 4th. :D

it's not called a "money-shift" for nothin'!!

And yes, OP, if BMW was able to glean over-rev info from the DME, it's dated. I think. I'm almost certain. Come to think of it, I don't know. We've never had to prove when a vehicle was money shifted, because the car shows up on a flatbed and hasn't ran since the even took place. Invariably, while the owner was what we call JODA, "just out driving around".

- - - Updated - - -

P.S. "over-rev" is code for "not a warranty matter". And unless the timing chain broke, or the intake sucked in water, there's only one other way for the valves to contact the pistons ... wait for it ... yep, over-rev.

However, you might do some research on oil pump bolts coming loose. I forget which engine it is, but the mounting bolts for the oil pump or the pump sprocket come loose and starve the engine of oil. I don't know if that would cause the valves and pistons to contact each other, but it will certainly seize the engine.

[Pyewacket69]

Rev limiters don't work when one is diving into a corner at 80mph and one inadvertently grabs 2nd gear when aiming for 4th. :D

it's not called a "money-shift" for nothin'!!

And yes, OP, if BMW was able to glean over-rev info from the DME, it's dated. I think. I'm almost certain. Come to think of it, I don't know. We've never had to prove when a vehicle was money shifted, because the car shows up on a flatbed and hasn't ran since the even took place. Invariably, while the owner was what we call JODA, "just out driving around".

Good point, I had not thought about the downshift thing (I've been driving an automatic too long, I guess...).

My understanding of what is maintained in the electronics is the most recent 30 seconds or so of the engine running... Sort of like the black boxes on airliners that only keep the last 30 minutes (I believe) of voice. I say that based upon lawsuits I've read about law enforcement using car "black boxes" to investigate wrecks.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2012/04/23/a-black-box-in-your-car/

http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2013/03/20/174827589/yes-your-new-car-has-a-black-box-wheres-the-off-switch

[Pyewacket69]

Yes, completely stock, no mod or performance enhancements. Hardly drove the car. I was assuming it has a rev limiter. It took them over 37days to let me know all this information. I was caught by surprised when the service adviser told me BMW won’t be covering the repair, cost to fix my car $21,250. Can BMW provide me with day and time of the event (over revved)? Because back in February my car was in the service center for repair and took them about a month to give my car back I noticed they drove my car for 2miles. I had my car for about a week before died on me while was stopped at a red light.


The car was in the service dept. for a month??? For what reason?

You must be the most patient car owner I've ever seen.


I'm getting the impression there's more to this incident than we're being told...

[Kelvin335is]

It was in service for body work. My rear view mirror were scratched, I slid in the snow driver side. I have no other option, but to wait. I dislike making a car payments for something I’m not going to be using. :( for the next three years…

[Kevlar]

What prompted you to take the car for service? An over-rev from February doesn't cause the car to stop working today...

[Kelvin335is]

What prompted you to take the car for service? An over-rev from February doesn't cause the car to stop working today...



My car shut-down in the middle of the road, as I was stopped at a red right. Car won’t start again. I had it call roadside assist… The first thing BMW noticed was the crankshaft pulley bolt was loosed. BMW instated that was caused by an over revved “common thing after an over revved”

- - - Updated - - -

\\bosappfs1\ny$\polanck\Desktop

[Pyewacket69]

It was in service for body work. My rear view mirror were scratched, I slid in the snow driver side. I have no other option, but to wait. I dislike making a car payments for something I’m not going to be using. :( for the next three years…


You know, I have to say I'm still skeptical. Something isn't adding up here. Just curious, is this a leased vehicle?

A month in a body shop for a scratched mirror?

I can't speak for body shops in your location, but around where I live, a major accident repair can be completed in a couple of weeks, from parts being ordered to you driving the car home.

[Kelvin335is]

Yes, it’s a leased vehicle. They kept the car for the whole time in till I started calling asking what the status with my car.

[Kelvin335is]

Yes, it’s a leased vehicle. They kept the car for the whole time in till I started calling asking what the status with my car.

[Kevlar]

I have been working this one around in my head and I can't seem to come up with anything... crank bolts just don't loosen by themselves and even still, the computer recorded an over-rev event which you can't just "do". You have to mechanically force an over-rev, and even till, the DME records time since the event happened, so if it happened months ago, it should be recorded that way (if it even records that far back).

[Pyewacket69]

I have been working this one around in my head and I can't seem to come up with anything... crank bolts just don't loosen by themselves and even still, the computer recorded an over-rev event which you can't just "do". You have to mechanically force an over-rev, and even till, the DME records time since the event happened, so if it happened months ago, it should be recorded that way (if it even records that far back).

Interesting question... Is an over-rev recorded as an error code, or is it determined by looking at the last few seconds do what's recorded in the EDR function of the car?

If its an error code, it could be stored indefinitely until its cleared, like any other code.

Somehow, I don't think that's the case. If it was, there wouldn't have been any need for a remote analysis, which seems to be exactly what happened based on the OP's first posting. The local tech would see a code, and cross reference it to see what the code translated in to...

From the little I know about how all this works, it seems (at least, to me) that the EDR function was polled by the remote diagnostic and it implied an over rev occurred immediately before the engine self-destructed.

I can't say whether or not that actually happened, but I'm guessing that's what the BMW tech that examined the car probably thinks.

[NFerber]

Over-rev isn't a code, it's also not something that the local dealer can see. When major incidents happen, such as above, the ECU data get's sent to BMW for them to analyze. When BMW saw this, they found the over-rev. It isn't a black box recording for accidents, so it doesn't overwrite data every 30 seconds. I'm not sure how long it is stored, but I would guess for quite a while. If it says over-rev, it's an over-rev.

Also OP, manual or DCT?

[Critter7r]

Whetehr the DME stores a rolling 30 seconds or 10 minutes of data, I don't really know, It could very well be that once an over-rev is noted, it's stored with a time and date stamp. One thing I DO know, is that the DME stores "shadow data" that cannot be accessed by the dealers, and can only be accessed remotely by the BMW regional managers and Technical Support Engineers. This over-rev information is one of those pieces of shadow data.

[Kelvin335is]

Over-rev isn't a code, it's also not something that the local dealer can see. When major incidents happen, such as above, the ECU data get's sent to BMW for them to analyze. When BMW saw this, they found the over-rev. It isn't a black box recording for accidents, so it doesn't overwrite data every 30 seconds. I'm not sure how long it is stored, but I would guess for quite a while. If it says over-rev, it's an over-rev.

Also OP, manual or DCT?


its manual... as of now my car is park at the dealer no repair yet. still waiting on North America BMW. 42days without my car sucks.
The dealer inform me that my car was drivable. The only issue misfire as I go to pick up the car it didn’t start at all

[ndog14]

BMW manuals cannot be over-rev'd while in gear, but soon as you depress the clutch the rev limiter is turned off. OP, something doesn't add up. Just tell us what happened, this is the internet and we'll never meet you nor will anyone make fun of you because karma is a bitch.

[Pyewacket69]

OP, something doesn't add up. .

Agreed. There's a lot about this situation that doesn't add up in my mind, either.

[Kevlar]

BMW manuals cannot be over-rev'd while in gear, but soon as you depress the clutch the rev limiter is turned off. OP, something doesn't add up. Just tell us what happened, this is the internet and we'll never meet you nor will anyone make fun of you because karma is a bitch.

Huh? It's called a mechanical over-rev, downshift from 5th to 2nd. As far as I know, the rev limiter is never turned off. Why would it?

[NFerber]

BMW manuals cannot be over-rev'd while in gear, but soon as you depress the clutch the rev limiter is turned off.

The rev limiter is always there, whether you are in gear or not. The only way you can over-rev is to money shift.

[ndog14]

You can over rev in neutral. I did, money shift. I tried powershifting at 7k, soon as I hit the clutch the rev limiter turned off and I hit 7500 between gears while the clutch was depressed. That is what my SA told me from what BMWs tech engineer told him. Luckily I only threw timing the off and it only costed $1100.

OP must have money shifted or something to cause the over rev. It is embarrassing but you can't hide from your past mistakes or you'll never learn.

[Kelvin335is]

BMW manuals cannot be over-rev'd while in gear, but soon as you depress the clutch the rev limiter is turned off. OP, something doesn't add up. Just tell us what happened, this is the internet and we'll never meet you nor will anyone make fun of you because karma is a bitch.

Lol! I don’t know what to tell you, but the only thing I can say I was stopped at a red light car shut off on me while stopped. Can you tell me what can cause the crankshaft pulley loosen up?
Can an over revved cause this? BMW said it’s a common thing for the crankshaft pulley to loosen up after an over revved. (I sure didn’t over revved)

[Pyewacket69]

The rev limiter is always there, whether you are in gear or not. The only way you can over-rev is to money shift.

That sure makes a lot more sense to me. After all, isn't that the whole idea behind a rev-limiting device, to keep the engine from EVER exceeding the limitations?

Whether or not its actually that way, I can't say, but if it isn't, I'd like to ask the engineering staff that programmed it that way "why?"

[Pyewacket69]

its manual... as of now my car is park at the dealer no repair yet. still waiting on North America BMW. 42days without my car sucks.
The dealer inform me that my car was drivable. The only issue misfire as I go to pick up the car it didn’t start at all

I'm going on record and saying you're probably going to be waiting much longer than 42 days before you see any action from BMW.

[Kevlar]

I am pretty sure the rev limiter is always there...

Now back to the crack pulley bolt... maybe an overrev at an earlier time caused the crank pulley to loosen and then at the traffic light in question, it finally worked its way loose enough to cause the car to stall out. Even still though, I can't see a crank pulley bolt loosening months ago to finally be loose enough to cause problems today.

[NFerber]

You can over rev in neutral.

No, no you can't. The rev limiter is always active. You can bounce off the rev-limiter all day, it will just keep cutting ignition to keep the motor under the limit. Doesn't matter if you are in gear or not.

[Pyewacket69]

I am pretty sure the rev limiter is always there...

Now back to the crack pulley bolt... maybe an overrev at an earlier time caused the crank pulley to loosen and then at the traffic light in question, it finally worked its way loose enough to cause the car to stall out. Even still though, I can't see a crank pulley bolt loosening months ago to finally be loose enough to cause problems today.

BMW's have a "crack pulley"? I had no idea!

(Sorry, I just couldn't resist...lol)

I agree with your comment. It's hard for me to see that happening, either. In fact, even though the OP stated the car is still operable (with misfires), I would think any contact between exhaust valves and pistons would result in pretty catastrophic results.

I honestly don't know, although I've seen the results of interference engines that have suffered broken timing belts. They were toast.

[Kevlar]

I have seen a few engines where piston met valve and they were not fatal... but the symptoms were instantly noticeable they didn't manifest months later. So whatever caused this happened relatively close to the car stalling at the traffic light. The car is fairly adaptable, it'll do whatever it can to keep the idle, for it to just stall?!

OP - what happened between the last time you stopped and the time you stopped and it stalled? Were you driving on the highway? Were you in stop/go traffic? Any high speed running, any noises, any check engine lights?

[ndog14]

OP, you may be better off trying to get the car lemon law'd. Your situation is shitty but what else can you do if you are stuck with the repair bill?

[Pyewacket69]

OP, you may be better off trying to get the car lemon law'd. Your situation is shitty but what else can you do if you are stuck with the repair bill?

Good luck with that. Lemon laws vary by state, but I doubt any of them cover damage induced by the owner.

I'm not saying the OP caused his problems, but it sure seems clear BMWNA does, and I'd guess they have the ability to back up their side of the equation.

If it wasn't so much money, I think the OP might have more success in small claims court, but most states limit amounts in small claims to $10 K or less.

[rwhgme]

OP, you said you were having minor body work done when you got your driver side stuck in a snow drift. How did you get it out of the drift? Did you defeat the traction control? I have no idea if this changes anything, just asking.

[crypticc]

Inpa freeze frame data records mileage just for normal codes.

(I read mine and it showed battery cable had been disconnected three times during my last service)

I'd imagine serious diagnostics to record at least mileage detail if you want to finger your dealer for playing in your car while toy didn't have access to it (that is where you are heating isn't it?). Conversely it will also rule that out for them if the miles were under your stewardship.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

[Pyewacket69]

Hmmm...


Car seems to be running normal, no issues are being presented. All seems normal.

Driver stops at traffic light, sits there at idle. Car stalls.

Car goes to shop. Signs that indicate over-rev occurred are found by BMWNA.

All I will say is this scenario isn't very likely, especially if anyone wants to accuse some other entity of causing the problem even an hour earlier, not to mention up to a month prior.

I guess anything is possible.

[ndog14]

Maybe his 335is is a lemon. From what he tells us, which we are all thinking something is missing, then he has gotten a lemon. A car does not just crap out a month after an over rev.

[CosmosBlack98M]

I over rev'd my old LS1 T/A years ago. Shifted from 2nd back into 1st when the RPMs were around 5k in second. I will never forget that screaming engine and skidding tires. Luckily I jammed the clutch back in quickly and think I avoided bending any push rods. It ran fine until I sold the cars a few years later.

Sucks for the OP.....if I had to pay for that kind of repair I think I'd find a way to get the car totaled. Accident, theft, fire.....whatever works.

[Kelvin335is]

I have seen a few engines where piston met valve and they were not fatal... but the symptoms were instantly noticeable they didn't manifest months later. So whatever caused this happened relatively close to the car stalling at the traffic light. The car is fairly adaptable, it'll do whatever it can to keep the idle, for it to just stall?!

OP - what happened between the last time you stopped and the time you stopped and it stalled? Were you driving on the highway? Were you in stop/go traffic? Any high speed running, any noises, any check engine lights?
I was pulling out of my drive way about a block away I stopped at a red right. No noises, no check engine lights, No high speed. the only time the check engine light came on it was when I tried to turn on the car.

- - - Updated - - -


I over rev'd my old LS1 T/A years ago. Shifted from 2nd back into 1st when the RPMs were around 5k in second. I will never forget that screaming engine and skidding tires. Luckily I jammed the clutch back in quickly and think I avoided bending any push rods. It ran fine until I sold the cars a few years later.

Sucks for the OP.....if I had to pay for that kind of repair I think I'd find a way to get the car totaled. Accident, theft, fire.....whatever works.


BMW its charging me $21,257 to fix it.

- - - Updated - - -


OP, you said you were having minor body work done when you got your driver side stuck in a snow drift. How did you get it out of the drift? Did you defeat the traction control? I have no idea if this changes anything, just asking.


i was stuck in my drive way, not drifting i had it turn off my traction.

- - - Updated - - -


Good luck with that. Lemon laws vary by state, but I doubt any of them cover damage induced by the owner.

I'm not saying the OP caused his problems, but it sure seems clear BMWNA does, and I'd guess they have the ability to back up their side of the equation.

If it wasn't so much money, I think the OP might have more success in small claims court, but most states limit amounts in small claims to $10 K or less.

i tried to file for a lemon laws, i was told its not a lemon.

- - - Updated - - -


OP, you said you were having minor body work done when you got your driver side stuck in a snow drift. How did you get it out of the drift? Did you defeat the traction control? I have no idea if this changes anything, just asking.

i was not drifting i was stuck in my drive way. i had he traction off

- - - Updated - - -


Maybe his 335is is a lemon. From what he tells us, which we are all thinking something is missing, then he has gotten a lemon. A car does not just crap out a month after an over rev.


I believed the crankshaft pulley has a factory defect.

[e66man]

...this common with an engine over rev.(damaging internal engine components . This was later confirmed through diagnostic readouts performed by bmwna tse via
conmputer. ...


Did you ever see the diagnostic read-out? I would need proof that it came from MY car (check VIN) with a time and date stamp to also ensure the car was in MY possession when the event occurred, or at the dealer getting fixed prior for another repair. What's more disturbing is that they had the car long enough to forge such data - I'm not saying they would, but still....

Another question for BMW techs out there - just because a crank bolt comes loose doesn't mean the engine is going to grenade. How it got loose is another question. The crank pulley is held in place by a keyway, right, just like the timing sprocket? Also, at what RPM do the valves start to float on an N54? 8k? 9k? That's a hell of a money shift. It's been done though.

[Pyewacket69]

Did you ever see the diagnostic read-out? I would need proof that it came from MY car (check VIN) with a time and date stamp to also ensure the car was in MY possession when the event occurred, or at the dealer getting fixed prior for another repair. What's more disturbing is that they had the car long enough to forge such data - I'm not saying they would, but still....
.

I believe the car was diagnosed fairly quickly. The month-long length of time was while the car was in the body shop, if I read the posts correctly. It ran just fine after leaving the body shop. No lights, unusual noises, etc.

Beats me why any BMW dealer would attempt to forge data, since the dealership is guaranteed payment under a warranty repair. I'm not even going to entertain the idea that BMWNA would make such an attempt. The risks of doing so and getting caught, no matter how small, would be far too great for a manufacturer.

I'm not exactly sure what the OP would do if he had the diagnostic reports in his hands, since I doubt they would be easily understood by a non-BMW trained tech, but I will get on-board and agree that he should have a completely detailed report describing exactly what the situation is currently, and I suspect he already has exactly that.

[Critter7r]

BMW manuals cannot be over-rev'd while in gear, but soon as you depress the clutch the rev limiter is turned off. OP, something doesn't add up. Just tell us what happened, this is the internet and we'll never meet you nor will anyone make fun of you because karma is a bitch.

:rofl

stahp ....

You can so bounce a manual car off the rev limiter whilst sitting still with the clutch pedal pressed to the floor!

What sense would it make to disable the rev limiter in that situation?

- - - Updated - - -


You can over rev in neutral. (No, you can't) I did, money shift. I tried powershifting at 7k, soon as I hit the clutch the rev limiter turned off (No, it didn't) and I hit 7500 between gears while the clutch was depressed. That is what my SA told me from what BMWs tech engineer told him. Luckily I only threw timing the off and it only costed $1100.

OP must have money shifted or something to cause the over rev. It is embarrassing but you can't hide from your past mistakes or you'll never learn.


Somebody made up a story for you. 'tisn't true.

Did you happen to be shifting between 2nd and 3rd? :devillook

[Kelvin335is]

Did you ever see the diagnostic read-out? I would need proof that it came from MY car (check VIN) with a time and date stamp to also ensure the car was in MY possession when the event occurred, or at the dealer getting fixed prior for another repair. What's more disturbing is that they had the car long enough to forge such data - I'm not saying they would, but still....

Another question for BMW techs out there - just because a crank bolt comes loose doesn't mean the engine is going to grenade. How it got loose is another question. The crank pulley is held in place by a keyway, right, just like the timing sprocket? Also, at what RPM do the valves start to float on an N54? 8k? 9k? That's a hell of a money shift. It's been done though.


I requested that information. dealer its not sure if they can provide me that infor..

- - - Updated - - -


I believe the car was diagnosed fairly quickly. The month-long length of time was while the car was in the body shop, if I read the posts correctly. It ran just fine after leaving the body shop. No lights, unusual noises, etc.

Beats me why any BMW dealer would attempt to forge data, since the dealership is guaranteed payment under a warranty repair. I'm not even going to entertain the idea that BMWNA would make such an attempt. The risks of doing so and getting caught, no matter how small, would be far too great for a manufacturer.

I'm not exactly sure what the OP would do if he had the diagnostic reports in his hands, since I doubt they would be easily understood by a non-BMW trained tech, but I will get on-board and agree that he should have a completely detailed report describing exactly what the situation is currently, and I suspect he already has exactly that.

I don’t, the diagnostic I post it that’s all I have, and the damaged sheets. I wished I had more details information to get a better understanding. sucks at 5,137 miles my car its done. on foots now ;(

[Pyewacket69]

I don’t, the diagnostic I post it that’s all I have, and the damaged sheets. I wished I had more details information to get a better understanding. sucks at 5,137 miles my car its done. on foots now ;(

What do you mean by "damaged sheets"?

In any case, every car owner is entitled to a reasonably documented explanation of the causes of a problem, as well as a detailed estimate of the costs of the repairs.

Personally, I still think there is significant information regarding this issue, and much of it hasn't been posted here. It's either that, or the OP is incredibly inexperienced or naive.

In either case, this dead horse has been beaten enough, so unless something new surfaces, y'all can color me "gone".

[Critter7r]

P.S.

Also, if we're all talking about the crankshaft bolt that holds the crank pulley on the front of the engine, yeh, you know ... the one that the belt(s?) ride on, then even if that bolt fell completely out, it's not going to cause the engine to seize.

I get the impression that it's a RESULT of the over-rev, not the cause.

Now ... if we're talking about a bolt that holds the crankshaft BEARINGS in place, (inside the engine) then disregard my comment.

[Kevlar]

I've been scratching my head about this one and I can't come up with anything...

[Kelvin335is]

lol no worries... same here I managed to send it my car to another dealer for second advise, right BMW has said no me. SUCKS for me

- - - Updated - - -


I've been scratching my head about this one and I can't come up with anything...


lol no worries... same here I managed to send it my car to another dealer for second advise, right BMW has said no me. SUCKS for me

[smc850ci]

lol no worries... same here I managed to send it my car to another dealer for second advise, right BMW has said no me. SUCKS for me

Huh? :eyecrazy

[Kelvin335is]

Update, car its being repair with a new motor under one condition if I admit that I over revved... I’m not happy about those terms and condition I guess I have no other option.
Since Feb, I will say I will get my car towards June they wont credit me for those months my car have been parked at the dealer

[Pyewacket69]

Update, car its being repair with a new motor under one condition if I admit that I over revved... I’m not happy about those terms and condition I guess I have no other option.


Frankly, that makes absolutely no sense at all.

[Critter7r]

Hmmmm .... so the car is under warranty which should cover a blown up motor unless it was caused by some outside influence like "money-shifting" it. Yet, this time they're not going to cover the replacement engine under warranty unless you "admit" to money-shifting it.

Interdasting.


"Let me see if I've got this straight: in order to be grounded, I've got to be crazy and I must be crazy to keep flying. But if I ask to be grounded, that means I'm not crazy any more and I have to keep flying. "

[smc850ci]

"As the Roundel Turns..."

[CosmosBlack98M]

LOL, this must be someone's troll account just having fun.

[Pyewacket69]

The same thought crossed my mind a while back...