2009 CPO 335i Coupe. Good or Bad deal?

[tpcon]

How's it going everyone? I'm new to this whole BMW forum and I was just curious to see what input I could get about possibly buying an '09 CPO Jet Black 335i coupe. The dealer has it priced at $29,715 w/ 47,750 miles, which I feel is a bit pricey especially with that kind of mileage but I could most likely negotiate for a lower price. Oh and of course I'm concerned about the HPFP so I would talk to the dealer about that.

It has a clean carfax (no accidents, 1 owner, all the maintenance records, etc.) Features include: the Premium Package, Sport Package, Nav System, and iDrive. So what do you guys think? Is it a good deal or bad deal? I'm really thinking of pulling the trigger to upgrade from my 2.0 Gencoupe. Yeah, I know it's a pretty large leap lol

[gpb]

How does this car compare to other similarly equipped 2009 CPO 335i Coupes in the area? That's really the key to knowing if it's priced high or low.
There is NO substitute for you doing your own homework of identifying enough comparable cars *currently* for sale in *your* area to decide for yourself if the price is appropriate. Asking a bunch of strangers on an Internet forum is about as useful as grabbing a Magik 8 Ball. You have no way to discern the guy who says "great deal, buy it!" from the guy who says "that's a fair deal" from the jerk who says "ripoff! I got mine for $5000 less!" but neglects to say that his doesn't have half the options and also had unrepaired crash damage.

[ndog14]

How does this car compare to other similarly equipped 2009 CPO 335i Coupes in the area? That's really the key to knowing if it's priced high or low.
There is NO substitute for you doing your own homework of identifying enough comparable cars *currently* for sale in *your* area to decide for yourself if the price is appropriate. Asking a bunch of strangers on an Internet forum is about as useful as grabbing a Magik 8 Ball. You have no way to discern the guy who says "great deal, buy it!" from the guy who says "that's a fair deal" from the jerk who says "ripoff! I got mine for $5000 less!" but neglects to say that his doesn't have half the options and also had unrepaired crash damage.

This guy is right on. If you think the car is overpriced it's because has is CPO, it has an extended warranty. You can ask them to drop the CPO and save $2k but you may see $2k is repairs. BMWs are expensive. How does $250-400 for a battery sound depending on the route you go? $600 for an alignment at a dealer. $125 for an oil change. Most of us here, myself included, are DIYers or go to independent BMW specialists for work.

[tpcon]

This guy is right on. If you think the car is overpriced it's because has is CPO, it has an extended warranty. You can ask them to drop the CPO and save $2k but you may see $2k is repairs. BMWs are expensive. How does $250-400 for a battery sound depending on the route you go? $600 for an alignment at a dealer. $125 for an oil change. Most of us here, myself included, are DIYers or go to independent BMW specialists for work.

Yeah dropping the CPO may be the path I'm going down and getting my maintenance done at an independent shop my friend goes to for his e46. I know how expensive the costs are to maintain a BMW at a dealer as my parents own both a 1st generation X5 and an '06 E350 (Mercedes I would consider to be in the same ballpark for maintenance prices) I just hope I'm not running into and out of the shop like other e92 owners I've read about in a variety of forums.

[gpb]

Yeah dropping the CPO may be the path I'm going down and getting my maintenance done at an independent shop my friend goes to for his e46.

I'm not understanding something here. What does CPO have to do with where you have regular/scheduled maintenance work performed? Are you using maintenance to refer to repairs as well as maintenance?

[tpcon]

I'm not understanding something here. What does CPO have to do with where you have regular/scheduled maintenance work performed? Are you using maintenance to refer to repairs as well as maintenance?

Oh. Welp, I just confused everything together. You're right, CPO has nothing to do where I get my maintenance done. For some reason I mixed the repairs with maintenance. Good catch

[Nyc2sd30]

The CPO designation extends the mechanic warranty until 100k miles. You can also buy prepaid dealer maintenance which is highly negotiable and you can throw into the financing of the car. Just like any warranty, CPO can payoff if something mechanical goes awry or could be a waste if the car doesn't break.

[tpcon]

The CPO designation extends the mechanic warranty until 100k miles. You can also buy prepaid dealer maintenance which is highly negotiable and you can throw into the financing of the car. Just like any warranty, CPO can payoff if something mechanical goes awry or could be a waste if the car doesn't break.

Yeah even though the CPO raises the price, it's good to have the reassurance that BMW has it covered until 100k miles (or 6 years, whatever comes first). Especially with the possible reliability issues down the road I'm reading about. But after that 100k, it's fair game lol.

I may just look into the prepaid maintenance plan. Thanks for the heads up. I obviously didn't do enough research my self.

[gpb]

Make absolutely sure you know what CPO does and *does not* cover. It's sometimes pitched as if it were an extension of the factory warranty but it's not. I still think CPO is a decent thing and chose a CPO vehicle myself; but read the fine print. :)

I wouldn't go with the prepaid maintenance unless you'll drive every single one of the covered miles within the six years from in-service date time window. Review the maintenance items due between 50k & 100k miles and consider DIY or an independant.

Off the top of my head, the best case is you'll get three oil + filter changes, spark plugs once, air filter & cabin air filter a couple times, probably a set of brake pads/rotors front & rear, brake fluid flush. Or if you don't drive so many miles you'll get two or three annual oil changes depending on your in-service date. I don't believe BMW thinks coolant or ATF fluid need to be changed within 100,000 miles. They won't do service under the maintenance plan unless the car's asking for it or it's due just due to time.

I'm reasonably handy and can do all these myself. I'll keep receipts and maintenance log in case there's ever a question if I need a CPO repair. IMHO anyone but the most mechanically inept can manage their own oil changes as well as engine air and cabin air filters if they so desire, leaving just the plugs and brakes for a shop to do. (even then, brakes aren't difficult, but are good to have an experienced friend help the first couple times)

I forget just where, but the Service & Warranty booklet is downloadable from BMWusa.com and gives a bunch of info on what BMW considers routine maintenance -- not necessarily what we enthuiasts would do. :)

[tpcon]

Make absolutely sure you know what CPO does and *does not* cover. It's sometimes pitched as if it were an extension of the factory warranty but it's not. I still think CPO is a decent thing and chose a CPO vehicle myself; but read the fine print. :)

I wouldn't go with the prepaid maintenance unless you'll drive every single one of the covered miles within the six years from in-service date time window. Review the maintenance items due between 50k & 100k miles and consider DIY or an independant.

Off the top of my head, the best case is you'll get three oil + filter changes, spark plugs once, air filter & cabin air filter a couple times, probably a set of brake pads/rotors front & rear, brake fluid flush. Or if you don't drive so many miles you'll get two or three annual oil changes depending on your in-service date. I don't believe BMW thinks coolant or ATF fluid need to be changed within 100,000 miles. They won't do service under the maintenance plan unless the car's asking for it or it's due just due to time.

I'm reasonably handy and can do all these myself. I'll keep receipts and maintenance log in case there's ever a question if I need a CPO repair. IMHO anyone but the most mechanically inept can manage their own oil changes as well as engine air and cabin air filters if they so desire, leaving just the plugs and brakes for a shop to do. (even then, brakes aren't difficult, but are good to have an experienced friend help the first couple times)

I forget just where, but the Service & Warranty booklet is downloadable from BMWusa.com and gives a bunch of info on what BMW considers routine maintenance -- not necessarily what we enthuiasts would do. :)

Okay thanks for the heads up my friend! Gave me at least a visual of what I should be looking at in the future. I'm thinking about learning to at least change the oil and air/cabin filters myself to save the money. I'll have a buddy of mine who drives an e46 show me how to change those or find a DYI topic on the forum.

As for the mileage I would be stacking on, annually I would be driving anywhere between 11k and 12k miles since I would just be commuting to work and school for the most part.

[Ian1973]

If you have to stretch financially to the point that you cut out what most consider a positive(CPO), then you may want to reconsider your car choice. 2k can be a small failure on these cars.

E46's are NOT E90's. There are many differences and many advancements. Do not simply rely on a "buddy" to bail you out.

If you own a 2011 Genesis coupe, why in the world do you need some other car?

[ndog14]

If you have to stretch financially to the point that you cut out what most consider a positive(CPO), then you may want to reconsider your car choice. 2k can be a small failure on these cars.

E46's are NOT E90's. There are many differences and many advancements. Do not simply rely on a "buddy" to bail you out.

If you own a 2011 Genesis coupe, why in the world do you need some other car?

What about an FR-S? If I didn't love the NA I6 and need a backseat I would be over on the FR-S forums right now.

[tpcon]

If you have to stretch financially to the point that you cut out what most consider a positive(CPO), then you may want to reconsider your car choice. 2k can be a small failure on these cars.

E46's are NOT E90's. There are many differences and many advancements. Do not simply rely on a "buddy" to bail you out.

If you own a 2011 Genesis coupe, why in the world do you need some other car?

My friend wouldn't be bailing me out? He would help show me how to change oil since he knows quite a lot about BMW's. Worst comes to worse, if he doesn't know then I can go to an independent shop or even learn in a DYI segment, which learning on a BMW isn't the greatest idea.

Simply for performance and preference. BMW > Hyundai. German auto > Korean auto. How many people would go from a BMW to a Hyundai in exchange with how many people would change from a Hyundai to a BMW if they were presented an opportunity? Plus let me add, the quality of the 335i feels above and beyond the quality of a Genesis coupe, which is quite cheap IMO.




What about an FR-S? If I didn't love the NA I6 and need a backseat I would be over on the FR-S forums right now.

Yeah I thought about the FR-S too. I heard great reviews on the car and for it being at $28k it's a bargain. However, I just think its too similar to a Genesis Coupe. Handling wise and driving experience of course the FR-S is superior to the Gencoupe. HP & Torque would go to the Hyundai though coming in at 210/223 respectively and the FR-S displaying 200/151

[ndog14]

$28k for an FR-S? You could buy a V6 Mustang.

JK, 5.0 bro. At low speeds it may not "feel" as it handles as well, but at high speeds it handles very well. It's the poor-man's-M3.

Does it have to be an auto? Can you not drive stick?

[tpcon]

$28k for an FR-S? You could buy a V6 Mustang.

JK, 5.0 bro. At low speeds it may not "feel" as it handles as well, but at high speeds it handles very well. It's the poor-man's-M3.

Does it have to be an auto? Can you not drive stick?

Yeah I can't drive stick. Even if I did, it would be a hassle because my area is notorious for having heavy traffic. (The 405, 5, 57, 55 Freeways) Don't get me wrong though, I'd love to learn how to drive stick but its just not the practical idea

[ndog14]

Yeah I can't drive stick. Even if I did, it would be a hassle because my area is notorious for having heavy traffic. (The 405, 5, 57, 55 Freeways) Don't get me wrong though, I'd love to learn how to drive stick but its just not the practical idea

Go to the general section, plenty of people drive stick in traffic. Clutches are so light today and after a week or two in traffic it will become habit. If you want an auto get a Mercedes. If you want a sports car, get a manual bimmer.

[Ian1973]

My friend wouldn't be bailing me out? He would help show me how to change oil since he knows quite a lot about BMW's. Worst comes to worse, if he doesn't know then I can go to an independent shop or even learn in a DYI segment, which learning on a BMW isn't the greatest idea.

Simply for performance and preference. BMW > Hyundai. German auto > Korean auto. How many people would go from a BMW to a Hyundai in exchange with how many people would change from a Hyundai to a BMW if they were presented an opportunity? Plus let me add, the quality of the 335i feels above and beyond the quality of a Genesis coupe, which is quite cheap IMO.

Yeah I thought about the FR-S too. I heard great reviews on the car and for it being at $28k it's a bargain. However, I just think its too similar to a Genesis Coupe. Handling wise and driving experience of course the FR-S is superior to the Gencoupe. HP & Torque would go to the Hyundai though coming in at 210/223 respectively and the FR-S displaying 200/151


Honestly, if you can't change your own oil, then DYI on a BMW should be a avoided. An oil change on a BMW is no different than any other car, actually to me, it's easier.

I agree with you, but if I had a decent 2011 car, an older BMW would not be in the cards for a few years until I got my money out of the Hyundai.

I don't know the type of driving you do, but the FR-S and BRZ brand new is somewhat as intruiging as a BMW, more so if I were a student and didn't have lots of money to throw around. If you are young, you have plenty of time in your life to play with BMW's and the like when you have more disposable income. Having the Genesis or the FR-S is fantastic for a young person. Just saying.

[ndog14]

Honestly, if you can't change your own oil, then DYI on a BMW should be a avoided. An oil change on a BMW is no different than any other car, actually to me, it's easier.

I agree with you, but if I had a decent 2011 car, an older BMW would not be in the cards for a few years until I got my money out of the Hyundai.

I don't know the type of driving you do, but the FR-S and BRZ brand new is somewhat as intruiging as a BMW, more so if I were a student and didn't have lots of money to throw around. If you are young, you have plenty of time in your life to play with BMW's and the like when you have more disposable income. Having the Genesis or the FR-S is fantastic for a young person. Just saying.


I bolded that last part because I have spent a fair amount of time in an FR-S, and it's a blast, auto or manual. The steering wheel paddles shifters are positioned nicely and you still get to control the gear your in to an extent that an automatic offers. But the manual's clutch pedal is so light, light as a Corolla's. And the shifter is so precise, x10^5 than my BMW's. I would be in an FR-S right now if I didn't need a backseat. Screw winter, I won't drive anywhere.

[dallasfan824]

Yeah I can't drive stick. Even if I did, it would be a hassle because my area is notorious for having heavy traffic. (The 405, 5, 57, 55 Freeways) Don't get me wrong though, I'd love to learn how to drive stick but its just not the practical idea

Im with you. I drove stick my entire life. Even when I lived in NYC. However, in LA, there is no way. I switched to an auto.

I bought my 335 as a CPO. Its an E93. It has almost every option, premium, sport, 19s, Nav, etc. I think I paid 37K for it with 35K miles.

[tpcon]

Im with you. I drove stick my entire life. Even when I lived in NYC. However, in LA, there is no way. I switched to an auto.

I bought my 335 as a CPO. Its an E93. It has almost every option, premium, sport, 19s, Nav, etc. I think I paid 37K for it with 35K miles.

What year is your E93? For a seemingly fully loaded 335. That's a good price.

With the search that I've done (all CPO and coupes), these are the options within my area:

1) the original posted car

2) '09 Alpine White
- $31k w/ 36k miles
- Sport Package

3) '09 Space Grey
- $35k w/ 32k miles
- Stock

4) '09 Jet Black
- $33k w/ 47k miles
- Premium Package, M Sport Package, NAV, iDrive, Overdrive & Steptronic, Heated Front Seats, Keyless Start

I have a feeling most people who reply would choose option 4..

[dallasfan824]

What year is your E93? For a seemingly fully loaded 335. That's a good price.

With the search that I've done (all CPO and coupes), these are the options within my area:

1) the original posted car

2) '09 Alpine White
- $31k w/ 36k miles
- Sport Package

3) '09 Space Grey
- $35k w/ 32k miles
- Stock

4) '09 Jet Black
- $33k w/ 47k miles
- Premium Package, M Sport Package, NAV, iDrive, Overdrive & Steptronic, Heated Front Seats, Keyless Start

I have a feeling most people who reply would choose option 4..

Mine is an 09 CPO.
LOL. I would choose option 4 as well.

Two things. Check BMW South County. They had some stuff last time I was there. And since you are irvine, expand your search up in LA. E92s are like Civics. They are everywhere and everyone leases them so there are tons. Check Center BMW and Univeral City BMW. Avoid Santa Monica BMW.

[tpcon]

Mine is an 09 CPO.
LOL. I would choose option 4 as well.

Two things. Check BMW South County. They had some stuff last time I was there. And since you are irvine, expand your search up in LA. E92s are like Civics. They are everywhere and everyone leases them so there are tons. Check Center BMW and Univeral City BMW. Avoid Santa Monica BMW.

Yeah I was thinking of searching in that area too. Thanks man

FWIW, I'm 18 turning 19 in February (I wouldn't be surprised if I get put on blast by some users)
My dad is with me on the idea of getting a 335i over the Genesis, he would drive it as well I assume lol, and in return I have to pay maintenance. Yeah I've heard the nightmarish stories about the price of maintenance but typically what do you guys pay annually? Obviously this is more inclined towards the independent/dealership maintenance goers, but DIYers are more than welcome to answer

[dallasfan824]

Yeah I was thinking of searching in that area too. Thanks man

FWIW, I'm 18 turning 19 in February (I wouldn't be surprised if I get put on blast by some users)
My dad is with me on the idea of getting a 335i over the Genesis, he would drive it as well I assume lol, and in return I have to pay maintenance. Yeah I've heard the nightmarish stories about the price of maintenance but typically what do you guys pay annually? Obviously this is more inclined towards the independent/dealership maintenance goers, but DIYers are more than welcome to answer

I dont wrench on my car. I dont have the space and cars have become far too advacned since the days of my Mustang with a 351 Cleveland.


I dont keep my cars beyond 100K. So it hasnt been bad, but they dont call it Break My Wallet for nothing.

[ndog14]

Typical maintenance and repairs yearly can go past $1k from what I've heard. I haven't experienced any unexpected repairs just maintenance which has totally about $1k since July 2011. That includes maintenance covered by the warranty plan.

[Ian1973]

What year is your E93? For a seemingly fully loaded 335. That's a good price.

With the search that I've done (all CPO and coupes), these are the options within my area:

1) the original posted car

2) '09 Alpine White
- $31k w/ 36k miles
- Sport Package

3) '09 Space Grey
- $35k w/ 32k miles
- Stock

4) '09 Jet Black
- $33k w/ 47k miles
- Premium Package, M Sport Package, NAV, iDrive, Overdrive & Steptronic, Heated Front Seats, Keyless Start

I have a feeling most people who reply would choose option 4..

I've said it before, I bought a 2009 335i, 6 speed, nav, heated seats and leather and sport package, nothing else. I bought it in March of this year with 7900 miles on it. Space grey with black interior for 37k or so.

[ndog14]

I've said it before, I bought a 2009 335i, 6 speed, nav, heated seats and leather and sport package, nothing else. I bought it in March of this year with 7900 miles on it. Space grey with black interior for 37k or so.

Look at post #2. You're in New Yoik, OP is in Cali. He has to compare what is available to him, not what other people got.

[Ian1973]

You can keep looking