Dunne44 wheeling and dealing again

[DUNNE44]

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So this guy on Craigslist is selling these F10 wheels. I know I will need a hub adapter or I remember a DIY how e39 hub and e60 hub are interchange able.

Apparently this guy works or worked for a BMW dealership and he got them from the dealership. (Sketchy) I'm going tomorrow to check them out apparently they have the part number on the back of them. What is really sketching me out is the other BMW 7 series wheel in that picture. Maybe this guy imported a ton of replicas and now is selling them.

There is a question do any replica wheels have bmw part number and are any bmw dealerships have some rims stolen recently

He does seem pretty organized and has a nice weedwacker

[Random77]

I used to work at a BMW dealership. We had wheels stolen on a fairly regular basis. Unfortunately, it is unlikely that you will be able to determine for certain that they are stolen wheels.

Dealerships quite frequently have take-off wheels from when customers buy accessory wheels and do not want the originals back. That seems likely in this case since the tires are not mounted to the wheels. If you ever see a set of wheels for sale that look brand new with brand new OEM tires, it is quite likely that they were stolen.

[DUNNE44]

I bought them for 400. They had part numbers on them. Is 400 a good deal?

[Random77]

I bought them for 400. They had part numbers on them. Is 400 a good deal?

Did they have any curb damage? As long as they are in good condition and not bent, I think $100/wheel is a good deal.

[DUNNE44]

Did they have any curb damage? As long as they are in good condition and not bent, I think $100/wheel is a good deal.

They have 0 curb rash. Look brand new

[JimLev]

LOL, you should have got the weed wacker and the weed sprayer too!
J/k, even if they are knock-off's $100 a wheel is good.
What's the bore size? You haven't measured it yet...get hopping kid.

[DUNNE44]

LOL, you should have got the weed wacker and the weed sprayer too!
J/k, even if they are knock-off's $100 a wheel is good.
What's the bore size? You haven't measured it yet...get hopping kid.

Offset is more important I thought. Is bore the diameter of the lug holes?

[Random77]

If these are the correct offset but a 72mm bore, I wonder if you might be better off bringing the wheels to a machine shop and having the center bored out to the e39 hub size? You did get them for cheap and the E60 hub swap is likely to be much more expensive than machining the bores.

AFAIK almost every BMW has the 5x120mm bolt pattern.

[DUNNE44]

If these are the correct offset but a 72mm bore, I wonder if you might be better off bringing the wheels to a machine shop and having the center bored out to the e39 hub size? You did get them for cheap and the E60 hub swap is likely to be much more expensive than machining the bores.

I thought I got them for a steal. Anyone want to buy my style 66 m pars. They have newer tires on them.


Just measured them 7.2 cm

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In my basement. I think they are square because they came off an 535ix

[Random77]

I thought I got them for a steal. Anyone want to buy my style 66 m pars. They have newer tires on them.


Just measured them 7.2 cm

Ok, most BMWs appear to have 72.6 mm hubs, while the e39 has 74.1 mm hubs. So, to use most BMW wheels on the e39 you have 3 options: bore out the center of the wheels to 74.1 mm, use an adapter or swap your hubs for ones with the 72.6 mm centering ring. Each one has their pros and cons. Swapping hubs is obviously the most expensive, unless you need new bearings anyway. Adaptors are less expensive and can be used with multiple wheel sets however they also act as spacers, which may or may not be beneficial. If the wheels do not need spacers to fit properly, then machining is a good option and will likely cost about as much as a good set of spacers.

What is the p/n of the wheels?

[DUNNE44]

Ok, most BMWs appear to have 72.6 mm hubs, while the e39 has 74.1 mm hubs. So, to use most BMW wheels on the e39 you have 3 options: bore out the center of the wheels to 74.1 mm, use an adapter or swap your hubs for ones with the 72.6 mm centering ring. Each one has their pros and cons. Swapping hubs is obviously the most expensive, unless you need new bearings anyway. Adaptors are less expensive and can be used with multiple wheel sets however they also act as spacers, which may or may not be beneficial. If the wheels do not need spacers to fit properly, then machining is a good option and will likely cost about as much as a good set of spacers.

Well I want to put them on my car but for now. I want to sell either the set on my car to pay for the tires to put on them or just sell them and have a crack party.

#7842657

[Random77]

Well I want to put them on my car but for now. I want to sell either the set on my car to pay for the tires to put on them or just sell them and have a crack party.

#7842657

Unless I'm completely confused by how wheel offsets work, it looks like adapters with an offset of 20 mm should make those just about perfect in your wheel wells. ECS Tuning has them for about $260 for 4.

Does anyone see any issues with using 255/30R19 tires on these?

[DUNNE44]

Unless I'm completely confused by how wheel offsets work, it looks like adapters with an offset of 20 mm should make those just about perfect in your wheel wells. ECS Tuning has them for about $260 for 4.

Are they also adapters too

[Random77]

Are they also adapters too

Yes. Here is the link: http://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-E39-540i-M62_4.4L/Wheels/Adapters/

This is what I figure. Here is the page on realoem for the wheels you bought: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=FR13&mospid=52408&btnr=36_1628&hg=36&fg=15&hl=2

They have an offset of 44mm. The style 32s on my car have an offset of 26mm on my rears which are 9" wide. So 20mm spacers should give you a 24 mm offset which should be nearly indistinguishable.

When you get around to putting these on your car you MUST put up pics!

[DUNNE44]

Yes. Here is the link: http://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-E39-540i-M62_4.4L/Wheels/Adapters/

Well money is an limited.

[Random77]

Well money is an limited.

I hear you. My income this year is literally half what I made last year. :(

[DUNNE44]

I hear you. My income this year is literally half what I made last year. :(
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[cwise12]

I love this style of wheel. Bound to look good on that 540! 19"? Those tires are gonna cost a pretty penny.

[DUNNE44]

I love this style of wheel. Bound to look good on that 540! 19"? Those tires are gonna cost a pretty penny.

Well by spring I'll have enough cash then.

[Random77]

I love this style of wheel. Bound to look good on that 540! 19"? Those tires are gonna cost a pretty penny.

Makes me wish I had the money. Some of the recent OEM wheels would look fantastic on the E39.

IMO this would be the perfect tire for those wheels.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Pilot+Super+Sport&partnum=53YR9PSSXL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&wtpackage=true

[DUNNE44]

Makes me wish I had the money. Some of the recent OEM wheels would look fantastic on the E39.

IMO this would be the perfect tire for those wheels.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Pilot+Super+Sport&partnum=53YR9PSSXL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&wtpackage=true

Ouch I can barely afford the rims :( but I'm going to try to sell my wheels and tires that I have on now. The tires are fresh

[Random77]

Ouch I can barely afford the rims :( but I'm going to try to sell my wheels and tires that I have on now. The tires are fresh

Yeah, all the really low profile tires are expensive. If the Michelins are too rich for your blood, you could probably knock off about $400-500 by going with Kumhos.

[keith2]

im really curious what these will look like on an e39...i think with the right drop they could look pretty sick...if you end up just wanting to flip them let me know.

[DUNNE44]

im really curious what these will look like on an e39...i think with the right drop they could look pretty sick...if you end up just wanting to flip them let me know.

Will do. My car is in the shop right now but when I get it back. I'm just going to put them next to my car if you catch my drift. I'm thinking pretty slick.


Yeah, all the really low profile tires are expensive. If the Michelins are too rich for your blood, you could probably knock off about $400-500 by going with Kumhos.

I don't know if cheaping out on tires is a good choice. I'm a pretty cheap person in general but tires on a sports car. I could end up dead. I don't know a thing about tires, but tires are the things that connects the car to the ground.


Yeah, all the really low profile tires are expensive. If the Michelins are too rich for your blood, you could probably knock off about $400-500 by going with Kumhos.

I don't know if cheaping out on tires is a good choice. I'm a pretty cheap person in general but tires on a sports car. I could end up dead. I don't know a thing about tires, but tires are the things that connects the car to the ground.

[pegcity]

I hear you. My income this year is literally half what I made last year. :(

In the same boat, funny owning a car that cost almost 76 grand new and not being able to afford gas.

[DUNNE44]

I'm very concerned because the wheels are 8.5 all around. Currently I am staggered 9.5 in the rear. Will it effect my car alot?

[Random77]

I'm very concerned because the wheels are 8.5 all around. Currently I am staggered 9.5 in the rear. Will it effect my car alot?

In one of my earlier posts I had a link to the realOEM.com page for that wheel style. The part number you listed indicates that the wheels you have are actually 9" wide not 8.5". So they aren't really that much narrower than your rear wheels.
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=FR13&mospid=52408&btnr=36_1628&hg=36&fg=15&hl=2

[DUNNE44]

In one of my earlier posts I had a link to the realOEM.com page for that wheel style. The part number you listed indicates that the wheels you have are actually 9" wide not 8.5". So they aren't really that much narrower than your rear wheels.
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=FR13&mospid=52408&btnr=36_1628&hg=36&fg=15&hl=2

7842652 my bad posted wrong number

[cwise12]

An e39 will run just fine on a square setup. Our 525 runs square 235's and it rides wonderfully. I have tried this setup on my car, and it drives just as well. Maybe a little less traction on the rear end, but good tires will make up for that.

[bmb527]

If you go for machining out the center hub bore, save the money from the machine shop. Go buy a decent hone and do it yourself. Just use a cordless drill and cutting oil to keep the hone clean. It is only about 2mm you need to remove and if it is a touch over, it is not a safety issue anyway. Check the fit of most other vehicles wheels and many have quite a bit of slop between the center bore of the wheel and the hub. On BMW's, it is to make installing the stupid wheel bolts easier. It would be better if they used studs in the first place!

[DUNNE44]

An e39 will run just fine on a square setup. Our 525 runs square 235's and it rides wonderfully. I have tried this setup on my car, and it drives just as well. Maybe a little less traction on the rear end, but good tires will make up for that.

I really have to edit my thing. I actually have a 540i 6 speed. 525i is so slow


If you go for machining out the center hub bore, save the money from the machine shop. Go buy a decent hone and do it yourself. Just use a cordless drill and cutting oil to keep the hone clean. It is only about 2mm you need to remove and if it is a touch over, it is not a safety issue anyway. Check the fit of most other vehicles wheels and many have quite a bit of slop between the center bore of the wheel and the hub. On BMW's, it is to make installing the stupid wheel bolts easier. It would be better if they used studs in the first place!

I'm good I would rather not f my wheels up

[bmb527]

And how would it "F your wheels up"? If you know how to work a drill, you can operate a hone. On 2nd thought, maybe you should go pay a machine shop to use a hone to machine out the hub of your wheels!

[DUNNE44]

And how would it "F your wheels up"? If you know how to work a drill, you can operate a hone. On 2nd thought, maybe you should go pay a machine shop to use a hone to machine out the hub of your wheels!

I have a drill I don't know what a hone is.

[bmb527]

It is a tool mounted in a drill. It has 3 spring loaded arms, each with an abrasive stone attached. As it spins in the drill, the arms press on the inside of the item you are making bigger, or boring. You use a light cutting oil to prevent too much heat and it helps to wash away the material as is cut. It is one of the first things taught in first year of auto shop.

[Random77]

It looks like drilling out the centers might be a good option in this case. It will give you more flexibility with your choice in spacers. Wheel spacers appear to be available in finer increments than adapters. The thinnest hub adapter I've found is 15 mm, which looks like it might be too thick in this case. Whereas, spacers are available in almost any thickness. The revised part number you listed is for a wheel with a 33 mm offset rather than 44 mm, so the 20 mm and 15 mm hub adapters will be too thick.

Actually, does anyone see a problem with a 18mm offset with the 15 mm spacer/adapters? The stock 8" wide front wheels have a 20 mm offset. Would the combination of a slightly wider wheel being a little farther out cause clearance issues?