Anyone have a 1602 out there?

[vibranthenarot]

Anyone with a 1602 out there? I've had one in my possession since 1997, it's my dads and he has done nothing with it, its rusting apart with dated mint-condition Einki's on it and I just want to know if anyone else out there has one and are they worth restoring, are they worth any more then the 2002's?

[Leif E. Bronn]

They are worth about the same as 2002's. The value depends on the condition. The wheels might be worth a little. In my opinion they are worth restoring (depending on how much rust it has).

[brews1600]

Yeah, I have one, it's acualy a 1600, if the lettering on the car acualy says 1602 it's a european model and is probably worth restoring unless it's rusted to nothing, the rubber & mechanicals can be updated or use 2002 parts if you want since most bolt right across. about mine, I have a 69 1600, looked up the vin, and it's acualy a 68. pink just goes by the year it was first bought. mines all origonal for now, when something goes I cant easily fix, it's getting rallied out with a new motor, sways and cage. I can get you a pic if you'd like, it looks sweet. oldschool winshield sticker (Bavarian Motor Works) is mirrored instead of tinted, and goes great with all the chrome against light blue. basket weave mags and origonal capped rims as well, running the origonal rims currently. there's alot of upgrades you can do if you restore it though. for example the front callipers from a volvo 240 bolt straight across onto your disks! you'd prob. need to upgrade the lines & mast cyl as well, but WELL worth it to stop on a dime. anyhow, yeah... their out there and I have one too.

[Thoxic]

I have one that is well blessed with a warm garage. I do not have time to finish it up. But they are fun cars and the round tail lamps with red centers are quite the nice touch. :redspot

[ScottiGee]

(noob question) - what's the difference between a 1600/1602 and a 2002? or is the 1600 a version of the 2002?

I know nothing...

[steve k.]

(noob question) - what's the difference between a 1600/1602 and a 2002? or is the 1600 a version of the 2002?

I know nothing...

it all started with 1500, then 2000, then 1600, then 1600-2, 1602 and 2002.

the designation is the size of the engin. 1500 had 1500cc engine, 1600 had a 1600cc motor, 2000 had a 2000cc motor. Then the 2 in theend of the number like 1602 represents a 2 door car. 1602 was created before the 2002, and wasbuilt through about 1972 (i don't exactly rememberthe date). 2002 started in 1968. The body's were the same through each yer. The major differences were engins.

steve

[ScottiGee]

Well that makes sense!

Were there positive aspects to going with the smaller 1.6 vs the newer 2.0L engine?
For instance I know in the land of Honda, where I'm from, there are some 1.6L and 1.8L engine options that are more advanced and higher performance with more potential than the 2.2L engines. (B16a/b+B18C vs H22)

[TheDudeZona]

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[steve k.]

Well that makes sense!

Were there positive aspects to going with the smaller 1.6 vs the newer 2.0L engine?
For instance I know in the land of Honda, where I'm from, there are some 1.6L and 1.8L engine options that are more advanced and higher performance with more potential than the 2.2L engines. (B16a/b+B18C vs H22)

sorry, should have answered this earlier. There is really no reason to gotoa 1.6 unless you need better fuel economy.

steve

[ScottiGee]

sorry, should have answered this earlier. There is really no reason to gotoa 1.6 unless you need better fuel economy.

steve

What if I just want the shell and intend to do a swap? Is the frame/body just as compatible with the aftermarket parts and will it take a swap just as easily as the 2002?

[steve k.]

What if I just want the shell and intend to do a swap? Is the frame/body just as compatible with the aftermarket parts and will it take a swap just as easily as the 2002?

the shells are very simmilar. early 1600 are about 150-200 lb lighter then late 2002s. There are few other mechanical differences. 1600 had a long diff (different subframe) and single line front brakes. 2002s had short diff (compatible with e21 320) and dual line front brakes. Those are major things to consider in swaps. But it can be done. i will build my next race car out of a 1600 :) My 1970 is pretty light, but has some rust in all the wrong places.

steve k.

[ScottiGee]

that's good info - thanks.
decisions...decisions....light or ease of swap....

Question...(hopefully not too OT)...will the entire rear end swap into the 1600 or 2002 with a swap? I'd assume you would want the donor differential and driveshaft to handle the added umf.
I'd like to get 200-230 hp out of some version of a turbo'd 3 series motor of whatever year works best. I'm assuming a 1600 or 2002 drivetrain would snap like a twig - am I wrong?

I guess this is on-topic because it affects whether I choose a 1600 or a 2002.
Please do let us know when the '70 goes up for grabs steve :cool

[BimmerFreak]

Well that makes sense!

Were there positive aspects to going with the smaller 1.6 vs the newer 2.0L engine?
For instance I know in the land of Honda, where I'm from, there are some 1.6L and 1.8L engine options that are more advanced and higher performance with more potential than the 2.2L engines. (B16a/b+B18C vs H22)

I have owned a few 2002s in the states, and a 1602 while stationed in Germany.

Someone explained to me that the smaller engines were offered to avoid the higher taxes that a larger motor would bring.
As I understand it; you pay fees/taxes based on several factors, one of them being the displacement of your engine.

[ScottiGee]

I have owned a few 2002s in the states, and a 1602 while stationed in Germany.

Someone explained to me that the smaller engines were offered to avoid the higher taxes that a larger motor would bring.
As I understand it; you pay fees/taxes based on several factors, one of them being the displacement of your engine.

Ah yes, much like our "Luxury Tax" here in the states. I think when my dad was looking at M5's it was like an extra $1600

[brews1600]

well a long diff may handle it, but your half shafts won't, I suggest you swap rear subframes with a 2002 (short diff mounts, not another long) and then you can use lots of 3 series limited or locked diffs and aftermarket axles. I have a long diff in mine that I recently rebuilt out of another long.. they are pretty beefy, with 4:11 gears & 4:10 in the automatics, but it's more practical to use newer more available and or tailored parts.