The V12 bug is killing me!

[2000bmwe38]

Lately I've been wanting a 750 for all the extra goodies it comes with :) not to mention being able to say I own a v12 :)

Im thinking of getting one first, moving my mods over, then sell my 7 stock

What you guys think? Im not scared of mechanical work, just wondering if its a smart idea

I've done plenty of maintenance on my 7 and im happy where it is, so not sure if I wanna start that all over, although im not afraid to

Just want to get some opinions from my fellow 7 brosefs! :)

Mine is a 2001 sport with 153k, what's it worth stock? Or maybe with the coilovers and wheels on it? Or the way it is?

Rebuilt title, it was only side swiped though, check my build thread for info and pics

[sigtwenty]

I get that bug every so often as well.


Then I say hell no. Double trouble.

[2000bmwe38]

That's the only thing that bothers me

[TheLadiesMan]

What happened to the Audi idea?

[2000bmwe38]

Had alot of headache with my wifes s4 before I sold it a few months ago, so not sure if I wanna deal with it again


But I do still want one someday lol

[M I C H A E L]

i know how ya feel artur, Id freaking love to own an 750il... its just too much car to deal with :( atleast right now ... alot more tihngs can go wrong too, as far as double everything those babys have.. but.. maybe someday :)

[weedshoes]

McLaren F1 swap

[TheLadiesMan]

McLaren F1 swap

This.

[M I C H A E L]

Looool

[TheLadiesMan]

Had alot of headache with my wifes s4 before I sold it a few months ago, so not sure if I wanna deal with it again


But I do still want one someday lol

I heard they were a pain to work on. :dunno

[2000bmwe38]

Honestly yes they are, I always thought bmw's were hard to work on, but my mind changed after owning my wifes s4, very glad I sold it

[TheLadiesMan]

In a few years you should look into the new Equus. They are beautiful imo..... and hopefully more reliable. As for the 750, it shouldn't be too much of a problem over the 740. the only problems I can think of is the rear head rest motors. Everything else is pretty much shared with the '40. I was chatting with Dylan Leff on Facebook not too long ago and he said the V12's aren't hard to work on. And he's had two.

[reckless7]

That's the only thing that bothers me

You guys are both wrong. The 99-2001 750IL's are the best/reliable E38's out there. I have had two of them and know. My 98 750IL gave me problems with regards to traction control/engine manifold gaskets regularly and was so troublesome that I bought a 2000 750IL while it would stay in the shop.

The only reason not to get the V12 is the gas mileage (which isnt that much different than the V8) and marginally higher insurance rates. But the V12 is the boss ride. The V8 is the lady's ride - in my neighborhood all the ladies had the 740's but only one drug dealer had the 750.

Everything that is optional and may come on the 740 is standard on the 750. This may be a mental thing but I always felt that the 750's had better build quality than the 740's. I noticed more 740's in bad shape whereas the 750's I had and seen always had no rust or unpainted panels. Also, I really love the M73N and the E36 Inline 6 engine (half the V12). The V12 engine was soo good that Bentley used it as their first V12 in their Silver Seraph after 60 years of no V12's. Later on the Seraph was replaced by the Rolls Royce Phantom using N73 engine. Even Mclaren used a modified version of M73.

In my book the M73 is the best engine BMW has made esp in the E38 chassis. I do wish it had 30-50 more hp after driving my S600TT but I don't consider the 750 a sports car, more of a luxury cruiser with slight sport handling. The V12 makes the ride so smooth that Bentley/Rolls had to use it.

[TheLadiesMan]

You guys are both wrong. The 99-2001 750IL's are the best/reliable E38's out there. I have had two of them and know. My 98 750IL gave me problems with regards to traction control/engine manifold gaskets regularly and was so troublesome that I bought a 2000 750IL while it would stay in the shop.

The only reason not to get the V12 is the gas mileage (which isnt that much different than the V8) and marginally higher insurance rates. But the V12 is the boss ride. The V8 is the lady's ride - in my neighborhood all the ladies had the 740's but only one drug dealer had the 750.

Everything that is optional and may come on the 740 is standard on the 750. This may be a mental thing but I always felt that the 750's had better build quality than the 740's. I noticed more 740's in bad shape whereas the 750's I had and seen always had no rust or unpainted panels. Also, I really love the M73N and the E36 Inline 6 engine (half the V12). The V12 engine was soo good that Bentley used it as their first V12 in their Silver Seraph after 60 years of no V12's. Later on the Seraph was replaced by the Rolls Royce Phantom using N73 engine. Even Mclaren used a modified version of M73.

In my book the M73 is the best engine BMW has made esp in the E38 chassis. I do wish it had 30-50 more hp after driving my S600TT but I don't consider the 750 a sports car, more of a luxury cruiser with slight sport handling. The V12 makes the ride so smooth that Bentley/Rolls had to use it.
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[2000bmwe38]

You guys are both wrong. The 99-2001 750IL's are the best/reliable E38's out there. I have had two of them and know. My 98 750IL gave me problems with regards to traction control/engine manifold gaskets regularly and was so troublesome that I bought a 2000 750IL while it would stay in the shop.

The only reason not to get the V12 is the gas mileage (which isnt that much different than the V8) and marginally higher insurance rates. But the V12 is the boss ride. The V8 is the lady's ride - in my neighborhood all the ladies had the 740's but only one drug dealer had the 750.

Everything that is optional and may come on the 740 is standard on the 750. This may be a mental thing but I always felt that the 750's had better build quality than the 740's. I noticed more 740's in bad shape whereas the 750's I had and seen always had no rust or unpainted panels. Also, I really love the M73N and the E36 Inline 6 engine (half the V12). The V12 engine was soo good that Bentley used it as their first V12 in their Silver Seraph after 60 years of no V12's. Later on the Seraph was replaced by the Rolls Royce Phantom using N73 engine. Even Mclaren used a modified version of M73.

In my book the M73 is the best engine BMW has made esp in the E38 chassis. I do wish it had 30-50 more hp after driving my S600TT but I don't consider the 750 a sports car, more of a luxury cruiser with slight sport handling. The V12 makes the ride so smooth that Bentley/Rolls had to use it.

That's exactly the kind of stuff I wanted to hear, this definitely is going to help make my decision :) thank you sir!

[M I C H A E L]

Someday I will own one :D

[rchan11]

The M70 is more reliable then M73. Check with the E31 forum, they'll tell you.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m148/rchan11/IMG_0833.jpg

[Polomotorsports]

Dude go for it!!! I have a 1999 750il and this thing is amazing. Only problem since 45k ish miles to 90k miles was the alternator went bad and needed a new battery. But ive redone the cooling system at 60 ish to be on the safe side. I laugh at people when they ask me "how can you afford that?!"

[M I C H A E L]

What year was the M70? and how much of a difference city/hwy would you expect out of a 750il compared to the 740?

[reckless7]

The M70 is more reliable then M73. Check with the E31 forum, they'll tell you.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m148/rchan11/IMG_0833.jpg

It may be more reliable I don't know but it probably doesn't have the kick of the M73N.

[rchan11]

Last yr for M70 was 93. Can expect 12city/20hwy mpg.


It may be more reliable I don't know but it probably doesn't have the kick of the M73N.
Put in a Wokke chip, you'll have all the kick you want.

[M I C H A E L]

wooooow 12 city... no thank you...

[rchan11]

wooooow 12 city... no thank you...
12 city is very good, some get 8mpg. But the v12 is built for high speed cruising.

[reckless7]

That's not true. With my 98 I averaged 12 mpg but I had it running really rich. My 2000 averaged 15 mpg (this was with me intentionally trying to use as much gas as possible by punching it every opportunity I could which included flying down my neighborhood streets at ridiculous speeds every morning on my way to work - I have a nice highway stretch where I used to floor it to 120+mph). My 99 is around 14 but I haven't been driving it much lately.

My E38 325is used to average 12 mpg as well with my lead foot. I don't think any BMW would be able to be over 15mpg with me behind it. If you drive them the way they are supposed to they are thirsty motors.

Wokke chip won't work in M73N engine. Nothing does.

[S.Hafsmo]

The M70 is more reliable then M73. Check with the E31 forum, they'll tell you.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m148/rchan11/IMG_0833.jpg

A carbed GM 350 is probably more reliable than the M60 as well.

I've never understood the worries about reliability. If you read through the threads on this sub-forum, 95% of all the problems are related to other things than the engine spesific parts. Aspecially cooling related problems seem to re-apperar. And those are the same on both.

As for everyone yelling "double trouble", the ignition system doesn't have to be replaced annually. I just ordered new coils, distributors, rotors etc. and all that's just a couple hundred bucks. Not replacing because it's broken, but because I like new parts. :)

Besides, I bet most you guys have more then one car. How's that better then having "two" engines in one?


OP: The only problem I see on your behalf, is that you guys didn't get the 750i, so you'll have to buy the IL. Personally I don't like the proporsions of the IL, nor do I like dragging around extra pointless weight for backseat passengers who aren't even there. This is a matter of taste though. If you like the looks of the IL, I can't see any reason not to choose the V12. ;)

[Gator325525]

I say go for it, bro! When you stomp on the pedal and hear that V12 roar to life with its angry growl you'll be in heaven! Now that I've owned a 750il, I could never own a V8 E38.

And I respectfully disagree with the idea that the M70 is more reliable than the M73. In fact, I find just the opposite to be true. Perform the required maintenance at the required intervals and the M73 will be a good and faithful servant.

[2000bmwe38]

Thanks for all the replies fellas :)

Me personally I DON'T like the proportions of the shortys lol I WANT and NEED and iL no question asked, 2 kids ride with me everyday, and I LOVE showing off the legroom :)

Well I guess the search for a 750 begins :)

[reckless7]

The M70 motor may be more reliable but I don't think the previous generation 7 series was. It is the most notorious for having problems (although some people never had any). There is a website dedicated to the electrical gremlins that car had. I find it interesting the number of people who prefer its shape over the E38.