What' faster?

[Leonator134]

Sorry everyone if this question has already been posted, I looked and didn't see that it was..

I am wondering wich is faster, mainly for 0-60.. 530i/5 vs 535i/5

Being 18 and wanting an e34 I gravitated to the 530i/5, for the v8 and reasonable price (I'm used to v8's) but have read that the 535i is more reliable and easier to work on. I feel like the 535i would fit me better- I do work and have a decent income but I dont want to spend ALL of my money maintaining the 530i's v8! (I do my own repairs)

I have also read the 535i is just as fast..

Does anyone have any input as to which is more reliable/ faster/ better for an 18 year old? Or just any input as to which is the better buy? I'm not just another yuppie who wants to go fast, but performance is important to me.

Thanks everyone! -Leo

[PorscheH6]

Neither, buy a 540 or go home.

[Leonator134]

Fortunately, I am home! And am interested in 530s and 535s, but thank you. Don't have the cash to buy and maintain a 540i/6.

[strad]

The 535 is only short on power by a small amount, and it has more torque. I would guess that, if it's faster, it's not by much. The V8, being a more modern engine, is more efficient (better MPG).

I personally wouldn't bother with a 530. I think of it as the bastard of the E34 lineup. For me it'd be, in order, 535, 540 or M5. I have driven an M50 525 and it was a very nice car as well.

Edit: you've also got to consider that BMW has had a LOT of practice building the M30 engine family (since late 60s if not earlier). It is a very reliable engine. At the time the 530 and 540 came about, BMW was new at building V8s. And it showed, in some unfortunate ways that could affect any 530 you might consider (Nikasil). You'll want to check that issue out.

[Layne]

The 6 cylinder is definitely "easier" to work on. There's just a lot more room in the engine bay. Everything on the V8 is frustrating to do. I just replaced the a/c bracket which is also the engine mount bracket on mine. It was like a freaking chinese puzzle. The oil dipstick tube passes through the bracket, at an angle. Who thinks of this crap? But so far as actually spending money on the V8, that's just a bunch of hogwash from people that don't actually own them. They always need intake gaskets, valve cover gaskets, and a PCV plate, but you do that once and it's good for another 10-15 years. You'll easily save enough gas to pay for that. Both are very good engines, just a lot different. Power is about 215hp for both. Probably more important is the fact that the 535's are older. Usually 89-91 models and 530s are usually 94-95 models. The rest of the car will probably be in better shape on a 530.

[stang65]

performance is going to be close enough that driver will be the best thing to work on with either. finding one thats maintained that doesnt cost you a arm and a leg is pry your best bet.
my opinion take it or leave it. drive some of them find the fit you like. Then grow with the car build it if you want into something that you know every inch of. set it up to drive like a extention of yourself.

[dohcdoh]

So for ease of maintenance the 535 wins layne? Im assuming there arent many differences in the overall layout on the 530/540..

[Layne]

So for ease of maintenance the 535 wins layne?

Yes. One small win of questionable significance. :dunno



Im assuming there arent many differences in the overall layout on the 530/540..

There's no difference at all.

[zubbie]

535 badge looks better and will get you laid more often.

530 guys only get ugly sisters

[m60power]

Here's my advice: I was 17 when I bought my e34. I went with a 540i (automatic unfortunately). If you're considering the 530i, then get the 540i. The 540 is really no more maintenance intensive than the 530. I really can't think of one thing on the 540 that would cost you more (time or money) than on the 530. Your decision should be 535 or 540. The 535 is an old school, but awesome and simple inline six that is cheaper to maintain and easier to work on. Plus, if you get the power bug, it's easier to turbo the 535 in the future. Although, for the power the 535's don't get the best mileage. Honestly in your position I would be perfectly content with a 540 or 535 (both manual of course).

For the record m60 motors are very easy to maintain as well; it's the other stuff in the engine bay that is harder to access with the limited room around the V8.

[BoldUlysses]

Get the 535. Experience something with true old-school BMW character. See what all the fuss is about.

The 530 is kind of the red-headed stepchild of the E34 world. And I say this as a ginger meself.

[trive2]

Yup.


If you're looking at a 530i, you may as well get a 540i. Same maintenance. *shrugs*

But you should get a 535i.

Because M30.

Such a creamy engine. I have three 535i's, can't get enough. The manual is a ripper.

[MazDuh]

As owner of both 540 and 530. You're better off with a 540 if you want a V8 car. Same gas mileage. Tons more power but more importantly, the average 540 owner takes really good care of their car considering it was the most expensive non-M 5 series money could buy. 530's were cheaper and owned by less preventative maintenance oriented folk earlier on.

That being said, the 535's are stout. I don't even own one and i still think very highly of them. Great torque, excellent powerband, and they sound good. You get a much more connected feeling with a 535i/5 than any other non M 5 series, In my opinion.

The choice is yours, the M60 cars are NOT expensive to maintain( I have 3), but they are much harder to work on. Parts cost about the same. The M30 cars don't get the greatest gas mileage, but certainly not bad. Whatever you do, don't buy automatic. You'll regret it after a week.
-Eric

[SpecRaceM5]

535i or 540i. As stated before, if you're going to go v8 go 540i. If that is not an option then go 535i. The M30 is arguably one of the best non motorsport motors BMW produced. It had such a long production run that by the time it hit the e34 chassis it was dialed. That being said though, if the right car came along for the right price, regardless of motor type, it should be considered. If it were a perfect world and you had pick of the litter then M30 FTW!

[atl530i]

My first BMW was an E34 530i and I liked the car a lot. I kept the car for nearly 8 years and never had any major problems with it. It had service records, an alusil block and new transmission (replaced by BMW) by the time I bought it. The only thing I had to do to it was regular maintenance such as suspension, fluids, etc. It was definitely harder to work on in some cases but it ran great and was a good car for what it was. I also had an E34 535i for a little while. The M30 is/was an excellent engine and like a lot of people stated, by the time it hit the E34 chassis, BMW had it dialed in.

Both cars were in great condition and had service records (the 530i was maintained by a local BMW dealer by the PO) so both were great buys. I would not mind having both back since I am in the market for another E34 since my 525i was rear ended.

[Leonator134]

Thank you to all! Very helpful information. I would just like to adress the majority of responses and say that the only reason I was looking at the 530 as opposed to the 540 is just because every 540 I have seen (in good condition) has been a whole lot more than a nice 530. Of course I would rather have the 540/6 than the 530, but for money's sake, the 530 seemed like the more reasonable of the two.

Also gas mileage isn't of importance to me.

I have indeed read great things abou the M30, but also the M60 as well. I guess the two just have their pros and cons! I just don't want to pour every cent I own into my e34.. I still want to have the dough to build an engine with my dad for our '64 Impala. Thats why I liked the idea of the 530/535.. nice ones aren't an arm and a leg.

Thanks for all the info everyone, very helpful! -Leo




Both cars were in great condition and had service records (the 530i was maintained by a local BMW dealer by the PO) so both were great buys. I would not mind having both back since I am in the market for another E34 since my 525i was rear ended.

Ahh sorry to hear it, what a shame! But I am glad to hear they're both good cars!

[dohcdoh]

are you not driving far or something? Because talking about price and then saying gas mileage isnt important to you kinda sounds funny.

[m60power]

If the your set on a stick shift and are concerned about initial purchase price, then the 535i is the choice to go with. 540i/6's have been pricey recently. If you do end up going with a V8 e34 then make sure it's an alusil block.

[Leonator134]

Oh jeez, I guess that does sound funny. I guess I just don't think about what I spend on gas or factor it in to the equation. Gas is gas, and it costs what it costs, no getting around it. I just don't think about it. I also don't drive far.

Sounds very contradictory, I know. Very challenging to answer..

m60power- I am indeed set on the manual trans. That's what I have been thinking too. And yes, Alusil of course.

[Layne]

You're better off with a 540 if you want a V8 car.


As stated before, if you're going to go v8 go 540i.

You're forgetting the issue of supply and demand. Supply of 530i's is greater (especially if you only compare manual trans to manual trans), and demand is much lower. So you get a nicer car for less money. How can that be wrong? Most 540i owners have one because they didn't want to spend more money for an M5. There's nothing wrong with a 530i, especially for a beginner.

[Leonator134]

Thank you! That's what I'm saying!

[DUDMD]

I would recommend an M60 over an M30:
530i/5 +B40 swap+ chip + 3.23LSD
540iA + 6 speed conversion + 3.15LSD

I wouldn't bother with a 535i unless you have plans of going turbo.
M60 is a lot more smoother running and advanced than the M30. M30 is old technology but is a stout motor. i have had about 7 M60/M62 cars and loved everyone one of them, only had one M30 car. Didn't like it as much.

[MazDuh]

I don't know, i have seen a rash of underpriced 540i/6's. I paid $3k for mine, granted...it was a Pile of crap when i bought it. There was one here in stl about a year ago for $2500. Was a much nicer car than mine too. eh well. I actually prefer the 540 over the M5 for several reasons, mainly that i don't think twice about beating on it.

Also as far as price, i have seen nice 535i/5 cars fetch $4k. You can buy a decently sorted 540i/6 for that. It all depends on condition and what you're willing to put into it.

I had to put a gas tank in mine in an apartment complex parking lot on my back before i could drive it home from florida. If you're not willing to put forth this kinda effort, than you'll just pay a bit more for a nicer car.

[trive2]

Problem with the 530i is that you'll always be annoyed that you don't have a 540i...

That's why I got a 330i instead of a 325i.

[dohcdoh]

Problem with the 530i is that you'll always be annoyed that you don't have a 540i...

That's why I got a 330i instead of a 325i.

And you shoulda got an m3 :D

[sbeckman7]

And you shoulda got an m3 :D

Haha :D


Another vote for M30 here. When I was in your exact position (17, looking for my first car) I was dead set on a 530i until my dad said no V8's... Rather stupid reasoning but in the end I found out it was [most likely] for the better as my 535i feels torquier/faster than the 530's we test drove and is sooo much easier to work on! Old school BMW at its finest, and that's what I love most about the inline 6 e34's. That said, whichever car you choose, you will enjoy it :buttrock

[attack eagle]

Fortunately, I am home! And am interested in 530s and 535s, but thank you. Don't have the cash to buy and maintain a 540i/6.
then you have maid your choice, you just didn't know it.
maintenance on a 540 is exactly the same cost and amount as on a 530.
m60b30 m60b40. same engine.

FAST = terminal velocity
Quick = acceleration

So they are both equally fast, around 135 or so.

[ShapeShifter]

I see what you did.

[Leonator134]

I just meant because the initial price of the 540 would be higher, I wouldn't have the money to work on it, as opposed to buying a 530 and being able to put money into it.

[Richardcranium]

FAST = terminal velocity
Quick = acceleration

So they are both equally fast, around 135 or so.


Strange... C&D ran a 535i up to 149 mph when new, my 20 yr old one did 135 with plenty left, just last week. No idea what the 530 is capable of.

[Leonator134]

Wouldn't it be similar?

[RVAE34]

Don't have the cash to buy and maintain a 540i/6.

The others aren't going to be much different in maintenance costs IMO.

Edit: I see you clarified that. None of these cars are fast btw...

[Justin6745]

The others aren't going to be much different in maintenance costs IMO.

Edit: I see you clarified that. None of these cars are fast btw...


At least some are born less slow than others ;)

[sbeckman7]

Strange... C&D ran a 535i up to 149 mph when new, my 20 yr old one did 135 with plenty left, just last week. No idea what the 530 is capable of.

When did they review it? Do you have the article?

[Leonator134]

Well they'll all be quicker than my grand marquis.. Except for the 525. The Marquis has phenomenal highway power but it's not much off the line. 2.73 diff.

[Leonator134]

Well they'll all be quicker than my grand marquis.. Except for the 525. The Marquis has phenomenal highway power but it's not much off the line. 2.73 diff.

[me78569]

Buy whatever one has the best records for the best price. They are both about the same when it comes to getting off the line (not terrible, but not a racecar).

The m30 will be easier to work on, BUT in the 6 years and 150,000+ miles I have owned m60 cars I can say that nothing I had to do was hard. The entire e34 line is pretty easy to work on. Sure there is dumb stuff on a m60 car, but there is also dumb stuff on a m30 car, maybe just less of it.

There is nothing wrong with a m60b30 either, sure it is not as powerful as the b40, but I honestly liked my 530 just as much as I liked my 540. the b30 feels like it is trying harder and the exhaust note is better too.... Kinda like the movie Rudy I guess. It made me giggle like a little school girl every time I got into it. It will be more than fast enough to get you into trouble with the cops. And when the time comes if you want more power you can always swap in a B40.........OR turbo the hell out of that little over-square b30 :devillook

Compared sound between the b40 and b30 for all the b30 hate out there. Same exact exhaust on both cars. I just pulled it off my 540 and put it on the 530

B40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QFxImtLO8k&feature=context-cha

Ignore my dumb youngness

B30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7GAhurXBbs&feature=plcp

[Leonator134]

At work right now but can't wait to take a look at the vids!

[dohcdoh]

I see what you did.

Imported logic into his reasoning. I pity the fool whos illogical!

https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSEANLjqsbt7Rtxv3KINITcCXDugaBNX 2w_KAQFTKQ-iLLVwsUd_g

[sbeckman7]

I've hit 140 in my 535i with ease. Both cars can go faster than that.

[Leonator134]

played highest revs in both videos at the same time.. they sound almost the same to me!

[me78569]

The 530 has a much higher pitch sound. I would account video being similar to the camera maybe.

[K Fox]

played highest revs in both videos at the same time.. they sound almost the same to me!

Having not had the joy(?) of driving a B30 yet, I can say that vid of the B40 is why I love mine. That deep, growly thumping when you get on it is intoxicating. And mine is stock exhaust - but it has that growl. Very deep - palpable. Mine just needs a little more volume...But the noise of the M60B40 at around 3k rpm's is just simply nice.

Fox (I really need to fix my 6 speed, dammit!!!)

[coloradoe34]

Strange... C&D ran a 535i up to 149 mph when new, my 20 yr old one did 135 with plenty left, just last week. No idea what the 530 is capable of.


I've hit 140 in my 535i with ease. Both cars can go faster than that.

I can attest to this as well, took tombo's 535/5, chipped, up to 140 and it felt like it had more and my stock 530/5 up to 128 and it stopped dead cold, guess that's where the limiter for the US spec is at :(

I personally liked my 530 better as a highway car but since you're not going very far that really doesn't matter. So I say get what the best deal is. Whatever you buy, you will eventually put money into it, may as well start out having not much invested? On that basis then, 530's are cheaper and easier to come by than either the 535 or the 540. There's two in my area right now for around 1200 that are clean and don't need anything. But hey if you can find a 540 for a reasonable amount, go for it

[K Fox]

There's two in my area right now for around 1200 that are clean and don't need anything. But hey if you can find a 540 for a reasonable amount, go for it

You have a 535 near you, clean, for $1200?? And this is a 5 speed 535? Really??!?!?11/

Fox (doesn't need or want another car...but M30...)

[Layne]

You have a 535 near you, clean, for $1200?? And this is a 5 speed 535? Really??!?!?11/

Fox (doesn't need or want another car...but M30...)

Pretty sure he's talking about 530i's (and probably not manual).

[Leonator134]

Agreed ^

so sad this is an automatic... :'(

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/3130357994.html

[Gravik]

535i. More torque and like what, 3 less HP?

But I agree. get a 540i.

[Psykick5]

You could also get a 525/5 :shifty

You are 18... insurance is going to suck. Get a slow car.

[Boogieboy]

You need some of this in your life.;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUa1m7WAv50

[E34ührer]

Well they'll all be quicker than my grand marquis.. Except for the 525.

M50 525i's will rape a Grand Marquis/Vic in every way...even off the line...

[Leonator134]

I drive my buddy's 525i/5 and the pickup doesn't feel the same. Grand Marquis does have more power and torque and is of similar weight.. but if you insist...

Grand Marquis still does a better burn out :)

[MazDuh]

the B30 in my touring sounds like the generic "cop V8" from 70's era movies. Every police car you hear, thats what my B30 sounds like. I think the 530 has a much more smooth soutnd than the B40. My B40 is nasty, its just violent sounding. The B30 is like a refined machine. I'll try to get some vids up.

That being said, I drove a 530i/5, and compared to my 530iT with the auto, its about the same difference between a 530i and a 540iA. The 5hp18 sucks EVERY SINGLE BIT of fun out of accelerating.

[Leonator134]

You're saying the auto 530i is a bore?

[Richardcranium]

When did they review it? Do you have the article?

They tested it in late 88 or early 89, I can't find the issue right now. My collection is still in boxes:( So yes, I have the actual magazine... somewhere.


You have a 535 near you, clean, for $1200?? And this is a 5 speed 535? Really??!?!?11/

Fox (doesn't need or want another car...but M30...)


There is a clean looking 535/5 in Glenwood Springs, on CL, asking $2200.

[MazDuh]

You're saying the auto 530i is a bore?

YES! 525i/5 is MUCH more fun. I wouldn't bother with a 530iA, or any Auto car for that matter. Its like letting a blind wombat decide where you're going.

-Eric

[K Fox]

You need some of this in your life.;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUa1m7WAv50

Dude - were you going for top speed or what?? Kept in it all the way thru the top of 4th...ballsy.

Fox ('merged' onto the interstate once thru some of 4th, and that was awfully fast...)

[sbeckman7]

Buy whatever one has the best records for the best price. They are both about the same when it comes to getting off the line (not terrible, but not a racecar).

The m30 will be easier to work on, BUT in the 6 years and 150,000+ miles I have owned m60 cars I can say that nothing I had to do was hard. The entire e34 line is pretty easy to work on. Sure there is dumb stuff on a m60 car, but there is also dumb stuff on a m30 car, maybe just less of it.

There is nothing wrong with a m60b30 either, sure it is not as powerful as the b40, but I honestly liked my 530 just as much as I liked my 540. the b30 feels like it is trying harder and the exhaust note is better too.... Kinda like the movie Rudy I guess. It made me giggle like a little school girl every time I got into it. It will be more than fast enough to get you into trouble with the cops. And when the time comes if you want more power you can always swap in a B40.........OR turbo the hell out of that little over-square b30 :devillook

Compared sound between the b40 and b30 for all the b30 hate out there. Same exact exhaust on both cars. I just pulled it off my 540 and put it on the 530

B40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QFxImtLO8k&feature=context-cha

Ignore my dumb youngness

B30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7GAhurXBbs&feature=plcp


God damn your B30 sounds GOOOD!! What type of funky exhaust is that poking out of the back?


You need some of this in your life.;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUa1m7WAv50

drooling now.

[me78569]

It was just a y after the cats into a 2.5 then a magna flow single in/out. It sounded better under load.

[Leonator134]

That is a pretty tasty sound!

[E34ührer]

I drive my buddy's 525i/5 and the pickup doesn't feel the same. Grand Marquis does have more power and torque and is of similar weight.. but if you insist...

Grand Marquis still does a better burn out :)

There is a 1000lb difference between the two...that is hardly "similar weight"...

+ what year is your buddies 525? 89-90?

[Leonator134]

I think it's a 94.. I thought I saw online that the e34 525 was 3,450, and my g.m. Is 3,725 so you can see why i thought the weights were similar.

I would be surprised to learn the 525 weighs 2,725.

[E34ührer]

my g.m. Is 3,725

Are you missing 3 doors? Wikicars, wikipedia, Ford and my dad (who has owned 4-5 GM's/Vics...including a 'terminator' powered Vic w/590hp...) all say that weight figure is incorrect.

My 525i tips in at 3190 with me sitting in it....granted there are a few things missing in my car. But it DOES have a full [looking] interior.

Either way, I still have a very hard time believing that the GM/Vic is going to beat a 91-> 525i/5 in any way.

[Hoolie]

535 badge looks better and will get you laid more often.

530 guys only get ugly sisters

Well 530 touring.. Love in it.. Leave in it :D


And when you blow up the transmission/M60b30 you could drop in a m60b40..


530 is also available with M30B30 tho.

[Leonator134]

Perhaps the 3,700 is low but I did just look at two websites that said 3,975 and had similar data for other specs. 3.9 sounds more realistic I suppose, so I suppose we'd be 4150 with me and some gas, not bad for a full frame American luxury sedan in my opinion.

What does your personal 525 do 0-60?

[dohcdoh]

530 is also available with M30B30 tho.

Maybe for you, here its the m60. :nono

haha

[Cheche]

"Well 530 touring.. Love in it.. Leave in it :D "

Well said!

[BoldUlysses]

530 is also available with M30B30 tho.

Not in the US it wasn't. There's at least one gray-market import up in Canada that I know of, though.

OP needs to just pick one already and pull the trigger.

[ross1]

The 535 will out drag the 530 all day, every day.
I've owned both and done side by side "testing" with them.

[Leonator134]

Hey hey! Take it easy on the OP! He's working right now to pay for one! :D I'm just trying to gather all the information I can before making my purchase, so I can make the best purchase!

[Hoolie]

Maybe for you, here its the m60. :nono

haha

You could special order the 530 with a M30B30 engine thru out the models lifespan..

If this was true for the norther american market or not i do not know..

[E34ührer]

What does your personal 525 do 0-60?

No clue...and normally I don't speak on performance because I don't drive a racecar. I ONLY know that my 525i beats a GM/Vic because my dad and I have had that race...100's of times/variations. The only panther platform Ford I've lost to were my dad's Marauder (stock) and his '92 S/C Terminator Vic. You wanna see a body-on-frame car REALLY move? Watch that car do the quarter.


You could special order the 530 with a M30B30 engine thru out the models lifespan..

It wasn't available to us in NA. BMW realized no one would buy an M30B30 in America if the M5X was around...(better MPG's--more HP.) You guys got all sorts of motor variations over there...sometimes that was good...(3.8L M5) and sometimes that was bad...(518i)

[BoldUlysses]

Aren't we kind of missing the point here? Yes, speed does matter and certain flavors of E34 are certainly pretty quick, but there are at least a dozen better options out there for 530i/535i money if straight-line speed is the only priority. A Foxbody, for instance.

[E34ührer]

A Foxbody, for instance.

Agreed. But I just couldn't DD one.

OP-DON'T buy a 530i. That is the only advice I can personally offer ITT.

[RVAE34]

I see all these posts about top speed. Who even gives a crap about top speed? I rarely go over 100. Going 140 on a public road is just stupidity IMO.

0-80 is where it's at.

[sbeckman7]

I see all these posts about top speed. Who even gives a crap about top speed? I rarely go over 100. Going 140 on a public road is just stupidity IMO.

0-80 is where it's at.

Thanks for turning me on to the Borla XR-1... After numerous youtube videos its apparent I need to try it :)

Think you could get a video of your car up?

[RVAE34]

I do have one on my flickr somewhere. Will have to try and dig it up. I posted it here before so perhaps it's in my build thread. Of course, it wouldn't be the same b/c my car is turbo with no resonators or cats and 3" turbo back.

Edit: This should be the link to a video clip of my car

http://www.flickr.com/photos/14049800@N00/5707889309/in/photostream

Edit +2: I clicked the link on my phone and see it's not the better one I thought it was. I will try and dig that one up and post when I get home as well.

Edit +3: Here is the correct one.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/14049800@N00/5741204498/in/photostream

[Leonator134]

OP-DON'T buy a 530i. That is the only advice I can personally offer ITT.

Why do you warn me so strongly?

[Danni540]

Two of my friends opted for the 3 liter V8. One in a manual E32 and the other in a manual E34 touring. Both of them are utterly pissed about their decision.

Each time they get into my car, they frown at their own decision even more!

Seriously, get a 540i. If you are a car enthusiast, you will regret it if you don't.

[E34ührer]

Why do you warn me so strongly?

It's not a strong warning...it's really a toss up in a lot of ways between the two. (535i/530i) and of course, this is all my opinion and based on my E34 ownership history...

530i:

No matter what the V8 boys say, it DOES cost more money to maintain an M60 versus...say, an M30 or M50. Maybe only a little...but it's true. For that extra maintenance, you DO get a bump in MPG's over a 535i...but you do lose some torque. IMO, it's not worth the extra effort and cost to deal with a V8 compared to an M30. My preference is toward 6 cylinder BMW's anyways...

535i:

One of the most sought after E34's...for whatever reason. It's been around for years, it's made from kryptonite and it fights cancer** as well. (**BF.c claims...not scientifically proven) They are torque monsters and with a 5 speed they scoot pretty good. They are also very simple in design, so home tinkerers can fix and mod pretty easy.

The two cars are very similar, and I suspect that a race between the two would be won by the better driver...that said, the performance being pretty well equal, I'd take the more reliable, cheaper 535i over the 530i. But then again...if the 'fastest' E34 is your question, (I'm leaving the M5 completely out of this) the 540i is a very obvious choice. On a 540, the extra V8 costs/maintenance is very much worth the power.

[me78569]

Two of my friends opted for the 3 liter V8. One in a manual E32 and the other in a manual E34 touring. Both of them are utterly pissed about their decision.

Each time they get into my car, they frown at their own decision even more!

Seriously, get a 540i. If you are a car enthusiast, you will regret it if you don't.


Not sure why they frown, sure it isn't a highway monster or anything, but it does what you would expect for the displacement while being reliable. It produces the same hp/lt as the b40 (actually slightly more) so in every aspect it is a good choice.

Remember the OP is only 17 or 18. in my book he doesn't need a 300 hp car right now. Simple fact is the m60b30 is more modern and gets better mpg than the m30.

As I stated above though get whatever car has the best history and service records. That is going to be the only true difference between the cars.

[atl530i]

To the OP, get whatever you want. This thread has turned into another M60B30 vs M30B35 thread.... I had both and enjoyed both of them equally. It's all about what you want anyway.

[MazDuh]

My suggestion. Drive as many E34's as you can. Drive 10! the more you drive the better of an idea you get for what you want. Don't settle. Don't buy rusty! and don't make your decision after just one car unless it blows you outta the water.
-Eric

[Leonator134]

Thank you all for the information and suggestions. I guess it's my fault this turned M60 v M30, but it was all very helpful, none the less.

to me78569- You're right, I am 18 and I don't need a 300 horse car. I think I would rather use my money to buy a nice 530i/5 that doesn't need much attention rather than pay more for a 540i/6 that needs some work, because I have a feeling that's all my money would get me. Owning a 540i/6 will just be a future goal!

MazDuh- I wish I could drive 10! But I only know two people with them :/

Anyway, I appreciate the info and help everyone! Thank you all very much! -Leo

[me78569]

And if you get to the point where you want more power you can upgrade a 530/5 to a 540/5 for under $1000. I bought a m60b40 for sub 500.

[Schneider]

Well sorted 530i/5 > your average "I got no money for oem parts" 540i/6

[ross1]

To the OP, get whatever you want. This thread has turned into another M60B30 vs M30B35 thread.... I had both and enjoyed both of them equally. It's all about what you want anyway.


That was precisely the OP's question.

[Leonator134]

And if you get to the point where you want more power you can upgrade a 530/5 to a 540/5 for under $1000. I bought a m60b40 for sub 500.

From where did you buy it?!

[Layne]

From where did you buy it?!

I have one I've been trying to sell for $750. You'd have to ship it from Atlanta though.

[Leonator134]

I see! Can you put the b40 in a 525/5?

[me78569]

With a bit of work yes, it's not nearly as easy as a 530 though since the blocks are literally the same.

I bought mine from a wrecking yard. had good numbers.

[Layne]

I see! Can you put the b40 in a 525/5?

It's been done, but it's not easy. There are major differences in the engine bay. Much better to just use an S52/54 engine on those.

[E34ührer]

I see! Can you put the b40 in a 525/5?

Yes. It's the worst possible swap, and you need to change out a lot of parts to go from I6 to V8 E34. If a B40 is on your list, start with a V8 car...but with the prices of 540's...I would just buy a 540.

[me78569]

Op is looking for a manual and has already stated he doesn't want to spend enough to get a well sorted 540/6.

[Kyler Relyk]

M50 or go home. M50 was the newest engine and it had killer mpg and if it's a manual it will be plenty fast. There is a huge world of upgrades for the m50 also. I'm eighteen and have worked on my e34 for the past 2 years trust me you won't be disappointed with an m50. Once you save up a bit you can do the stroker or m52b28 swap also.

[Leonator134]

Yes, I would much rather spend less on a well sorted 530. 525s seem to be more common in my area, and are typically cheap and in pretty good condition, sorry to hear the I6 to V8 swap is a pain in the ass..

It would be cool to do a 3.0 to 4.0 swap on a 530 though..

I think I will hold out for the right 530.

[dohcdoh]

For the people who have gone 530>540, how many of you kept the 5 speed vs going to the six?

[Danni540]

For the people who have gone 530>540, how many of you kept the 5 speed vs going to the six?

My 540 was an auto that was converted to 5 speed. I have a 6 speed on the floor in my garage waiting to get installed.

But I have a friend who has a stock 530 5 speed and driving that car is almost identical to driving mine. Same rpms at same speed in the same gear with the same sound, but way less power.

I've always felt like there is a need for one more gear when I'm driving on the highways, so I'm hoping the 6 speed will get rid of that feeling! Although I've never been in a 6 speed E34 before.

[Layne]

Personally I think the 6 speed is probably more useful than the B40. I use the extra 70hp in my car very rarely, but I use the 6th gear almost every day. Driving my M6 this morning I went for 6th gear and was a little disappointed to remeber it doesn't have one.

[me78569]

6 gear is really nice for cruising. The b40 really just turns into a lazy mile eating monster.

[bigsixe34]

You seem to have decided already toward a 530i, but I would definitely be for that as well. Having owned a 535i/5 for 3 1/2 years before my 525, I remember decreasingly appreciating the m30. I loved it at first - it had tons of torque and was really easy to work on. But as I got older and grew out of the need to floor it off every stop sign, the motor started to feel wrong in the e34 chassis (which is what most 535i owners actually love about it, it gives the whole car an old school feel, shakes from side to side at idle, etc..). Also, the gas mileage gets frustrating. e34s are really great cars, and part of the reason is that they were during a segue from BMW of old into current BMW. m50s and m60s are much more representative of this transition. m30 in a e24, or e28, or what have you? Hell yeah. In an e34? Eh, to each their own. I will say that I've enjoyed my 192HP NonVanos m50 e34 more consistently than I ever did my 535i.
In short, I'd go with a 530i

[zubbie]

You seem to have decided already toward a 530i, but I would definitely be for that as well. Having owned a 535i/5 for 3 1/2 years before my 525, I remember decreasingly appreciating the m30. I loved it at first - it had tons of torque and was really easy to work on. But as I got older and grew out of the need to floor it off every stop sign, the motor started to feel wrong in the e34 chassis (which is what most 535i owners actually love about it, it gives the whole car an old school feel, shakes from side to side at idle, etc..). Also, the gas mileage gets frustrating. e34s are really great cars, and part of the reason is that they were during a segue from BMW of old into current BMW. m50s and m60s are much more representative of this transition. m30 in a e24, or e28, or what have you? Hell yeah. In an e34? Eh, to each their own. I will say that I've enjoyed my 192HP NonVanos m50 e34 more consistently than I ever did my 535i.
In short, I'd go with a 530i

time to change your username?

[Leonator134]

Thank you for the input! Another buddy of mine has an '88 535i auto, and it does shake a little haha. Good sound though and pretty peppy!

[Layne]

e34s are really great cars, and part of the reason is that they were during a segue from BMW of old into current BMW. m50s and m60s are much more representative of this transition. m30 in a e24, or e28, or what have you? Hell yeah. In an e34? Eh, to each their own.

I could agree with that. The M10 is actually my favorite engine ever, but I wouldn't want one of those in an E34 either. :D

[bigsixe34]

time to change your username?
:stickoutt Wayy overdue... Although now my car is 3.2L powered so it's somewhat more justified :evil2


I could agree with that. The M10 is actually my favorite engine ever, but I wouldn't want one of those in an E34 either. :D
Funny you should mention m10s! The next door neighbors at my mom's house are a lesbian couple who are obsessed with BMWs. They've got a 2002tii and an e21, and when we moved in I peered over the tall fence into their yard and noticed two small block chevys and an m10 sitting in the yard. They told me I could have it if I spent the time to take a few of the slats out of the fence and move it into our yard... it's been more and more tempting the more I hear about what awesome little motors they are. . .

[Leonator134]

http://westernmass.craigslist.org/cto/3056658735.html

[me78569]

you're getting pretty close to 540/6 money there.

I wouldn't spend much over 3k unless it was cherry.

[Layne]

Looks real nice, but yeah the price is way high. I would at least call and see how flexible they are.

[Leonator134]

How about the mileage? Will the 3.0 make past 200k with ease?

And yes the price is extremely high

[ross1]

How about the mileage? Will the 3.0 make past 200k with ease?

And yes the price is extremely high


Search "Nikasil"
Some are M60b30's are high milers but not like the M30's which are indestructable as long as they have oil and coolant in them. 300k is common on an M30, they go 200k with poor maintenance.

[marct335i]

Search "Nikasil"
Some are M60b30's are high milers but not like the M30's which are indestructable as long as they have oil and coolant in them. 300k is common on an M30, they go 200k with poor maintenance.

My bud demike535i just had the head rebuilt on his m30 at 300k after a slight HG leak. Bottom end is still working beautifully. Passed CA smog no prob.

[me78569]

I just sold my 530 with 289,xxx miles. Didn't burn oil and ran like a top. It is really all about how it was taken care of. I cannot stress enough that you need to look for a car with good service history more than the actual model. I would take a good history 525 over a poor history 540 any day of the week.

[E34ührer]

i would take a good history 525 over a poor history 540 any day of the week.

qft

[coloradoe34]

You have a 535 near you, clean, for $1200?? And this is a 5 speed 535? Really??!?!?11/

Fox (doesn't need or want another car...but M30...)

Sorry, didn't mean to get your hopes up, i meant the b30. Here's one, the other link doesn't work anymore, must of sold or was a scam

http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/3096508591.html

As far as an m30 tho, this ones been hanging around awhile

http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/3094297559.html

Both of these are 5 spds btw

[coloradoe34]

You have a 535 near you, clean, for $1200?? And this is a 5 speed 535? Really??!?!?11/

Fox (doesn't need or want another car...but M30...)

Sorry, didn't mean to get your hopes up, i meant the b30. Here's one, the other link doesn't work anymore, must of sold or was a scam

http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/3096508591.html

As far as an m30 tho, this ones been hanging around awhile

http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/3094297559.html

Both of these are 5 spds btw

[K Fox]

I just sold my 530 with 289,xxx miles. Didn't burn oil and ran like a top. It is really all about how it was taken care of. I cannot stress enough that you need to look for a car with good service history more than the actual model. I would take a good history 525 over a poor history 540 any day of the week.

+1 on the life of the M60's. Both of mine are near 250k miles, and both are sound. I just started the 6 speed tonight (been a bit since I ran it, and I might be driving it daily for a bit now...), and I forgot how well it runs. Glass smooth 600 rpm idle, smooth, seductive power wherever you are in the rev band. And this is with a water pump with seepage going on, so it might be smoother when the pump gets replaced. 248k and it runs like a car with 248 miles. :stickoutt So yeah, I say M60 power, but if you don't get the B40 off the bat, you'll probably end up (trying) swapping it to the 4.0l eventually. OH, and get the 6 speed trans if you do that - 6th gear is awesome. The 5 speeds are the same gearing, but without the overdrive 6th gear, so it's a little high of rpm's on the highway. B40 6 speed is perfect - they did good setting that system up. :D


Sorry, didn't mean to get your hopes up, i meant the b30. Both of these are 5 spds btw

Eh, you didn't get my hopes up really. I'm looking to sell one of my cars, not acquire another one. :rolleyes

Fox (would I like a 535/5? Yes. Want one now? Not even close...)

[Leonator134]

So the M60s will make it past 200k with proper maintenance! Excellent!

What are you looking to sell?

[Richardcranium]

Tried to contact the black 530 owner (Den CL ad)... non responsive seller.

[Leonator134]

Don't you just hate that!

[coloradoe34]

Tried to contact the black 530 owner (Den CL ad)... non responsive seller.

So I just called him too and was told "It is no longer available" :shifty

OP, when are you gonna get something??

[T444E]

Who cares? They are 20 year old sport sedans. They aren't fast by today's standards.

[dohcdoh]

When a scion has 200hp and a 6 speed, in a lighter chassis. an e34 seems suddenly slower than usual.

[E34ührer]

When a scion has 200hp and a 6 speed, in a lighter chassis. an e34 seems suddenly slower than usual.

Absolutely laughable. The FRS is no faster than a 540i...it's 500lbs lighter, but it has NO torque. Quarter mile and 0-60 times for the FRS are on line with a 540i auto.

[sbeckman7]

I also disagree on the speed factor, these cars are fast. You can't really argue it. I drive cars with 350-500hp on a daily basis at work. Still love going home and pulling hard in my 535i :D

[dohcdoh]

Absolutely laughable. The FRS is no faster than a 540i...it's 500lbs lighter, but it has NO torque. Quarter mile and 0-60 times for the FRS are on line with a 540i auto.

I was mostly posting it to be funny, I didnt even know that it was called the frs. Call me dohcdoh : sh*t disturber

[sbeckman7]

I was mostly posting it to be funny, I didnt even know that it was called the frs. Call me dohcdoh : sh*t disturber

That'll teach you :D

[coloradoe34]

I also disagree on the speed factor, these cars are fast. You can't really argue it. I drive cars with 350-500hp on a daily basis at work. Still love going home and pulling hard in my 535i :D

I'm with you, it may not be "fast" persay but its the way it delivers the power and handles it I guess? Its just a very pleasurable car to drive I think, no matter which one you have... (maybe except 518). I have friends with newer and faster cars that I drive occasionally, but I'm still happy driving home in my e34

[Schneider]

Absolutely laughable. The FRS is no faster than a 540i...it's 500lbs lighter, but it has NO torque. Quarter mile and 0-60 times for the FRS are on line with a 540i auto.

I test drove the frs and I was impressed by the handling characteristics. 540i/6 might be a little quicker off the line but I wouldn't compare the two.

[Leonator134]

OP, when are you gonna get something??

Threw out a want add on here this afternoon, and I have been perpetually looking on craigslist for a while. Unfortunately, I have particular taste.

[E34ührer]

I was mostly posting it to be funny, I didnt even know that it was called the frs. Call me dohcdoh : sh*t disturber

I only spoke up because I have been looking at the FRS/BRZ/86 as my next DD. Good MPG's, good looks and reasonably priced. My E34 will then see all the non-DD goodness that it deserves. FI+GC+paint=:buttrock

[ianskinner]

i'm in your exact position (18, first car)...except i have a 535i 5 speed manual. i was looking for a car for quite a while and finally found one for under $3000. the power is pretty good (I've driven quite a few cars, e46 and e36 M3s and slower things and whatnot) especially in the lower end. it's still quicker than a lot of cars today, although it has its limits--i find myself wanting more power at the top end...dulls out around 5500 for me. i'd imagine the 530 would be great, just less power (i think it has like 30 or something less torques).
i think there's like 5000 manuals in existence though, so good luck.
ps-all the things you've heard about the reliability of the engine are true. bulletproof.

hope this helps

oh yeah, and the gas mileage is crap. i'm not a crazy driver by any stretch (i like to call it spirited, though) and get 12.7 mpg according to the computer.

[Leonator134]

Ahh I see. Well thank you for the input!

wow 12.7? That's miserable!

[E34ührer]

Ahh I see. Well thank you for the input!

wow 12.7? That's miserable!

The OBC isn't reliable. Do the math at the pumps...that will change it quite a bit.

[TTyMiller]

OK all replys considered; I have a 530iT and I have had no problems with the car and it gets about 28 highway. I added Dinan software for about $600.00 and the car runs better than anything including my M3. It's a road car for sure and was only made 2 or 3 years a rare bird indeed.

While I have nothing bad to say about a 540 which certainly has more power and a bigger badge number, which young guns like your self delete anyway they do demand more costly I think.

Go with the 530 small block V8 before a 535 unless that 535 is that sweet. You are still young and have penlty of life to go bigger and bad as. Get what you want and if that's a V8 get it. I think the 6 is under powered for a car of that size anyway.

My 2 cents not my 02!

[ross1]

OK all replys considered; I have a 530iT and I have had no problems with the car and it gets about 28 highway. I added Dinan software for about $600.00 and the car runs better than anything including my M3. It's a road car for sure and was only made 2 or 3 years a rare bird indeed.

While I have nothing bad to say about a 540 which certainly has more power and a bigger badge number, which young guns like your self delete anyway they do demand more costly I think.

Go with the 530 small block V8 before a 535 unless that 535 is that sweet. You are still young and have penlty of life to go bigger and bad as. Get what you want and if that's a V8 get it. I think the 6 is under powered for a car of that size anyway.

My 2 cents not my 02!


530 & 540 share the same block design.
have you driven a 535?
I'd be happy to wager my 535 will outrun your 530, Dinan software and all.

[E34ührer]

I'd be happy to wager my 535 will outrun your 530, Dinan software and all.

True story...

[ShapeShifter]

$600 for dinan software???

Too funny!

[Aradaiel]

530 & 540 share the same block design.
have you driven a 535?
I'd be happy to wager my 535 will outrun your 530, Dinan software and all.

If the 535 is manual, then it would be close.

If they're both auto the chipped m60b30 would be faster. I'd throw down money on it.

Dinan software on an m60b30 is pretty legit. Dinan claims 23 horse 23 tq. Pretty damn good for $200 worth of software.

http://www.dinancars.com/webresources/images/gallery/9d87de5a67364779a68cfb9da56d0e47.jpg


I don't know why you'd pay $600 for dinan software, you can get engine and trans chip for $400 from dinan

[sbeckman7]

My 535i/5 is also faster than both 530i/5's I've driven. Whoever said the six cylinder cars are underpowered is uninformed.

[DUDMD]

What does a stock 535i/5 run 1/4 mile?
I ran a 15.5-15.6 on my old 530i/5 with 3.23 LSD and 18" wheels. Everything else was stock.
Put a b40 in it and ran a 14.2 on a bogged down launch.

[Leonator134]

I think I might give the owner of the western MA car (http://westernmass.craigslist.org/cto/3056658735.html)
and see what's up. Find out about the service history, engine block and rust, interior etcetera..

I was set on a black one, but I am starting to like the Orient.. especially with honeycomb wheels. More character than the black, in my opinion!

[Hoolie]

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/huggervette/791279ee.jpg

Want this lump in my touring.

S50B30 w a B32 head running E85 @ 2.27 bar boost.

Currently lives in a really nice E30 (For sale for 170 000sek) :|

Want want want :|

[Richardcranium]

The OBC isn't reliable. Do the math at the pumps...that will change it quite a bit.


My OBC has proven to be very accurate. I have randomly checked against the pump/odo at least a dozen times only to find the OBC has been within 2 tenths +/- everytime.

[E34ührer]

My OBC has proven to be very accurate. I have randomly checked against the pump/odo at least a dozen times only to find the OBC has been within 2 tenths +/- everytime.

Congrats. 98% of them read very low.

PS-The Orientblau 530i OP listed: WAY too much money...200k 530i isn't worth $4500.

[Leonator134]

Yes yes- we covered that back a few pages..

What is it worth? 3,000 tops? $2,800?

[mpaganr34]

2 things:
1) My OBC reads about an MPG low
2) I've had 2 535/5's outrun my old 530/5

[E34ührer]

Yes yes- we covered that back a few pages..

What is it worth? 3,000 tops? $2,800?

I just saw it on this page...must have missed it earlier.

I wouldn't go more than $3500 for an E34 (sans 540/M5...I'd obviously pay more for those)

The 530i in question does look taken care of...paint looks ok...200k scares me, but I'd give up $2500-3000 for it.

[Sherman]

Congrats. 98% of them read very low.


The obc can be calibrated. Directions in your manual, or search, it has been covered a few times

[E34ührer]

The obc can be calibrated. Directions in your manual, or search, it has been covered a few times

I'm aware. But that 'calibration' won't take the '0's' out of the average. (Kinda like averaging your wattage while riding a bicycle.) If you are idling, the car is averaging 0mpg's because it's using fuel but not moving. This makes MOST OBC's average MPG's incorrectly. The newer BMW's ignore the value 0 when calculating their MPG's...but E34's don't. It also depends on how often you reset the MPG reading on the OBC...either way, for a non-e34-veteran, it's handy to know that your OBC is probably in accurate to some degree or another.

[Leonator134]

I've been told a well taken care of M60 will last a very long time.. the miles are a bit high though..

[bimmersjp]

i have a 530i with over 222,000 and it still runs perfect, but it has been well cared for. How well a car has been cared for matters more than the model. All e34's sold stateside are good (except the m20 automatic cars.

[Leonator134]

I am glad to hear that! I might just give the owner a call tomorrow and find out all I can! Thanks everyone!

[E34ührer]

All E34's will go forever if you care for them. My last 525i had almost 300k on it and ran perfectly. Jehu has like 84bazillion miles on his 540...still runs fine. BMW's are great cars...if you take care of them.

[EVOLONE38]

^^^Agreed. I cherish a '90 535i/5 in stock form, except it has a chip, and one that has a m62b44/6 in it. The V8 one gets better mileage, 20+ and has twice the power of my 3.5 at 18ish.The 3.5 likes 70mph in fifth for cruising and the 4.4 likes 70 in fourth, 3000rpm range or so. So, I can say I like both, and the i6 has great boost potential and v8 is more efficient, with more power. Either way they are great platforms to grow on.

I would not sell either one,

troof.

[Leonator134]

Very good!!

[E34ührer]

^^^Agreed. I cherish a '90 535i/5 in stock form, except it has a chip, and one that has a m62b44/6 in it. The V8 one gets better mileage, 20+ and has twice the power of my 3.5 at 18ish.The 3.5 likes 70mph in fifth for cruising and the 4.4 likes 70 in fourth, 3000rpm range or so. So, I can say I like both, and the i6 has great boost potential and v8 is more efficient, with more power. Either way they are great platforms to grow on.

I would not sell either one,

troof.

Now...tell him more about the green one...which will be present at 5erWest this year correct?

[ross1]

If the 535 is manual, then it would be close.

If they're both auto the chipped m60b30 would be faster. I'd throw down money on it.

Dinan software on an m60b30 is pretty legit. Dinan claims 23 horse 23 tq. Pretty damn good for $200 worth of software.

http://www.dinancars.com/webresources/images/gallery/9d87de5a67364779a68cfb9da56d0e47.jpg


I don't know why you'd pay $600 for dinan software, you can get engine and trans chip for $400 from dinan

Drag race or road course:)? I'm game.

[coloradoe34]

All E34's will go forever if you care for them. My last 525i had almost 300k on it and ran perfectly. Jehu has like 84bazillion miles on his 540...still runs fine. BMW's are great cars...if you take care of them.

I agree, maintenance makes a difference on any car really, my neighbor has a puke yellow 1977 el camino bone stock orginal 305 2 barrel carb and orginal tranny going on 315k, just gotta take care of them

[Leonator134]

True that!

I called the number on the ad of the Orient 530i/5.. got the voicemail of a young Russian woman :P

[attack eagle]

you have my interest.

I 've driven a few 535/5s and they felt LAZY. like old cars, like tractors. the party was over by 5k. the m50 nv in the touring was more fun and FELT quicker even though it supposedly gives up a .5 or so 0-60.

but they're all relatively slow except perhaps the 540/6 and m5s... and even those are not that quick by modern standards.

[Leonator134]

I have my own interest! :D I'll ring again today.

"the party was over at 5k" lol!

[me78569]

Yea I wouldn't recommend street racing in any e34 that doesn't have some sort of FI attached. It is a sad day when your run of the mill accord or impala ss can match the 540's None of them are fast by today's standard.

[Leonator134]

FI?

I was looking at impala ss's 94-96 but the auto trannys are weak and no manual option :( easy to work on though.. Easy repairs.

[Layne]

FI?

Forced Induction.

[Leonator134]

Ahhhh okay.