What do You Think of This M6?

[simchief]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1987-BMW-M6-/261011614754?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3cc5812c22

This might be the time to catch a M6 shark!

At first glance I thought "here is another spam job"

[flyfishvt]

Am I missing something?

His seats are all different colors and none match the interior. His clear is peeling so you're looking at a $2000 paint job. is that car really worth that with the mileage he has on it?

[maxg765]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1987-BMW-M6-/261011614754?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3cc5812c22

This might be the time to catch a M6 shark!

At first glance I thought "here is another spam job"

If a true M and not a conversion, which I see no indiction that it was an S38 swapped in then its real cheap. It looks rough but if there is no rust and the engine is in good shape then for someone who's able to do lots of their own work this could be a good find. I don't have first hand experience but I believe a complete M6 S38 engine rebuild is in the range of 10K.

Max

[bimas]

If everything in the add is 1/2 truth, it's an ok deal. The interior is truly hilarious though, with perhaps only the rear console being original.

[simon b]

If everything in the add is 1/2 truth, it's an ok deal. The interior is truly hilarious though, with perhaps only the rear console being original.

For real! I'm saving that image to my Sixer pictures folder, so when ever I get down about all the things I want to perfect on mine I won't feel so bad.:lol

[ShapeShifter]

It's a turd, about $3k over priced.

[maxg765]

Yes the interior was very interesting

Lets do the math. Assuming there is no hidden rust or other cancers.

My figures are NOT from experience nor did I use any data to come up with them, they are just my uneducated guesses

6K for the actual car
8K for a complete engine rebuild
5K for a fresh paint job and body work
5K for a new interior
5K for a new suspension and other bits
2K for misc parts
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31K and you have your self a pretty M6.

Never said it was going to be cheap just a not a bad starting point. If you can do your own work and if the body is sold you can cut those numbers some. Its always cheaper to buy a restored car then to do it on your own. Thats why when I was looking for my M6 I had no issues with may a higher price for a car that was not in need of any restoration or work.

Max

[simchief]

Sorry this so long:

Okay I was curious; Caryville Fl is about 75 miles from me, so I coordinated a visit with owner.
This is a true barn-find, owner relocated to Florida about six-years ago, this car was his third six-series, so he know car well; he placed this M6 into shelter on his farm, and recently offered it for sale. Trip over to see the car was worth it just to chat with owner. This guys place was like a candy store with bits and pieces of cars and motorcycles everywhere.

Walked around car and found a solid car without any rust detected, I got under and in car looking for rust, there was; none. Surface rust, not involving body of car, on windshield motor bracket and a clamp near feft shock tower.

Paint is almost gone, top clear coat has suffered under six-years of Florida heat and sun; needs a paint-job. I found three dent dimples; none greater than 1/32 deep, none had penetrated paint, looked like parking lot dings.
On inspection I found BMW 750 rotors and calipers on all four corners; heaver roll bars; new injectors; a new water pump; new fuel filter; new fuel pump; fuel tank was freshly painted; owner stated fuel tank was flushed, cleaned and re-coated inside. OBC was bright and easy to read.

Engine was started and I used a Marksman ultrasonic tester on entire engine; no air leaks, all injectors sounded crisp, all plug noises were sharp, it appears new oil was in engine, and oil filter canister showed signs of recent removal. Continued along exhaust system, no leaks; exhaust is custom using four bullet type mufflers, O2 sensor looked new. Rims are MIM, I was told they are French, tires looked recent with over 85% tread remaining. Carbon fiber shifter knob with an adjustable length short shifter kit

Noticed rear wind-lace on sunroof had slipped, might need a new one (the long one).

Interior leather panels needs some help, needs cleaning and feeding, seats are no-longer electric, all functions work, told they were from a convertible, they are black and do not tilt enough to allow access to rear.

Both AC units worked and strangely, rear unit blew colder than front. Exterior trim was straight and rust free, owner has a habit of can spraying anywhere paint was breaking through to base coat.

Here are pictures I took:

http://s1128.photobucket.com/albums/m483/simchief/1987%20M6/

All tools were available, owner was cleaning them; M6 badges were also available.

[Roku35]

Looks like shark bait to me. Just my 2 cents. Trouble in the making...stay tuned :(


Yes the interior was very interesting

Lets do the math. Assuming there is no hidden rust or other cancers.

My figures are NOT from experience nor did I use any data to come up with them, they are just my uneducated guesses

6K for the actual car
8K for a complete engine rebuild
5K for a fresh paint job and body work
5K for a new interior
5K for a new suspension and other bits
2K for misc parts
-----
31K and you have your self a pretty M6.

Never said it was going to be cheap just a not a bad starting point. If you can do your own work and if the body is sold you can cut those numbers some. Its always cheaper to buy a restored car then to do it on your own. Thats why when I was looking for my M6 I had no issues with may a higher price for a car that was not in need of any restoration or work.

Max


+1. Everything Max said. But I think a decent engine rebuild on the S38 is closer to $12K. Just heard from a good friend who had the work done by Frank Fahey himself. Yikes :eek:

Good advice = Look for the best $20K+ M635csi you can afford :D (If you want an ///M)

[GI Jonas]

Why is everyone talking "complete rebuild" prices just because the car has high miles? It is entirely possible that it needs some major service or at least would be a good idea at that mileage,but jumping directly on the $12k worth of complete redo train based solely on the odo display seems a bit.....dumb.Those engines aren't total turds,this may be a good buy for the price.In fact I live in a total rust state,so its rust free condition alone would lead me to buying it near that price sight unseen,despite mileage.Worst case scenario is that it does give up the ghost,then you throw in a $500 m30 and its still a sweet car...no?

[LarryM]

Looks like a classic example of the phrase, "rode hard and put away wet". I wouldn't automatically assume the engine needs work (although at that mileage, it might) but the car is so trashed...the paint, the interior, the filthy engine bay...if you buy it you'd better have deep pockets and a lot of ambition.

Is the dash cracked? Probably, since you say the rest of the interior is dried out and damaged from sun exposure.

Also, the owner says he swapped out the rear diff for better MPG; who with an M6 would do something like that, except someone trying to pinch pennies out of a daily beater? The ad also has the dreaded, "A/C needs a recharge" line. Then there's the rattle-can fix for paint blemishes. You can assume there's been plenty of deferred maintenance in this baby.

I've seen some nice M6's for sale in the mid-to-high teens that are probably a much better value. This one appears close to being a parts car, due to neglect.

[ldk]

I'd say it depends on what you want to do with the car. If you want to make it pristine, then it's a lot of money you'll be putting into it. If you want to spend a lot of time cleaning it up and just drive it, then it could be fun if you can live with the poor paint and odd interior.

I don't know whether 195K miles is a lot for an m6. An M30 engine goes a lot farther than that if it's taken care of.

As for price, maybe it depends on the market in Florida. Around San Francisco, there are a number of m6's and even an M635 for around 10K, and they look pretty good from what you can see on Craigslist. If want the car just for fun and it's mechanically sound, then maybe ~$6K would be fair. If you want a car to make pristine, then I'd look for a better candidate to start with.

Your photo #28 is pretty cool.

Lee

[Freshbread]

I like the custom wooden hood support device (stored in the cowl area) and copper heater blower cover. I also love when people photograph cars for sale on dirt!
I would go and beat him up on the price in person. Point out all the RIDICULOUS nonsense they have allowed to happen to this once solid car and offer $3k:rofl:

[Badgas]

Based on the cosmetic care the car has gotten, what would make anyone think the motor has been well cared for?

At that milage unless there were receipts for head work and timing chains, consider I would consider the motor a core and pull the head for inspection. At that milage I would be checking the timing chain and tensioners again.

Unless you are a mechanic or machinist or have friends in the right places, $10k easy.

[barry8108]

Yes the interior was very interesting

Lets do the math. Assuming there is no hidden rust or other cancers.

My figures are NOT from experience nor did I use any data to come up with them, they are just my uneducated guesses

6K for the actual car
8K for a complete engine rebuild
5K for a fresh paint job and body work
5K for a new interior
5K for a new suspension and other bits
2K for misc parts
-----
31K and you have your self a pretty M6.

Never said it was going to be cheap just a not a bad starting point. If you can do your own work and if the body is sold you can cut those numbers some. Its always cheaper to buy a restored car then to do it on your own. Thats why when I was looking for my M6 I had no issues with may a higher price for a car that was not in need of any restoration or work.

Max
You do not need to spend 5 grand for a interior, looks like u will need 2 electric sport seats ,2 back seats, and maybe speaker pods, can not tell if they are the right color, or you could put manual seats redyed for very cheap. But even in Lotus several BMW yards would sell you what u need for a grand. Same with the suspension, assuming you need everything another grand, and all the other parts are just 635 parts, so maybe a couple of hundread. so, other than paint, which is up to you how much you want to spend, you could have it running and looking good for a couple grand. Only way you are going to spend 30,000 is if you dropped it off at the BMW repair shop and told him to fix it.

[maxg765]

You do not need to spend 5 grand for a interior, looks like u will need 2 electric sport seats ,2 back seats, and maybe speaker pods, can not tell if they are the right color, or you could put manual seats redyed for very cheap. But even in Lotus several BMW yards would sell you what u need for a grand. Same with the suspension, assuming you need everything another grand, and all the other parts are just 635 parts, so maybe a couple of hundread. so, other than paint, which is up to you how much you want to spend, you could have it running and looking good for a couple grand. Only way you are going to spend 30,000 is if you dropped it off at the BMW repair shop and told him to fix it.

Again, it depends what you want your end product to be. I'm painting a picture for end result of a fine example M6 and estimating costs for someone who will not be doing most of or any of the work themselves. No visits to scarp yards on your own etc...

5K for that interior is easy.
New carpets
Sourcing all the proper front and rear seats plus refinishing them
Headliner work if needed
Door cards
Switches
And probably a dash.

Again, it's an opinion on what I would want as an end product and not doing my own work. If someone can do most of it on their own some of the costs would certainly be removed/saved.

I don't see that car being on the road for less than 5K in expenses at best. With 7K as a purchase price your looking at 12K. For a few grand more you'll find other examples and candidates.

That's not to say that as a long as there are no structural rust issues and shes solid in the chassis department, a long term project for a do it yourselfer can't benefit from a good starting base.

My M6 is a clean 52000 mile original rust free example and I just finished spending 3K in maintenance with a new radiator, coolant hoses, vacuum hoses, power steering hoses, work on the SLS, slave and master cylinders, rear shock tower plates all fluids and AC service, and electric rear window track service on both sides etc,,.

Max

[GI Jonas]

All the crap about making the car pristine is likely out the window.If the OP was some anal purist looking to have and keep something that looks like a brochure pic he probably wouldn't be looking at this thing in the first place.

If you can get a price you are comfortable with buy it and leave posi away from the P.O.'s driveway.

[RSheiman]

By default, if you are on this forum, you are or will be an E24 perfectionist..... expect to spend twice as much time and money as you have calculated to get it where you want it.