Another Very Interesting PTG Race Part....

[kjb374]

Just to be honest, I don't do this for a living. I just have a passion for the E36. I dabble in parts design and enginering and know the right people to to assist me.

To be honest, I have been thinking of reproducing the front swaybar from a PTG E36 M3 racecar (I have one on my car) for a long time. In reality, I have been hesitant because I really didn't want anyone else to have one LOL. And I have always tried to conceal it at the track. It makes a world of difference in handling and laptimes. The tun in is incredible. It is probably the biggest secret kept by the engineers. It has substantial adjustment capability. However, I must also state that if it is not installed in a proper racecar (fully braced) it will probably damage the front trumpets! Would there be any interest out here for this race only part? I would rather get some feedback before posting pics. The cost would be approximately $875. You can PM or email me.

[mastek]

Yes - very interested
Would this be cockpit adjustable?

mastek@usa.com

[kjb374]

No not cockpit adjustable. Only the 36 GT was cockpit adjustable. Their grand am cars were not.

[ScotcH]

Is it a different design from the bar with blades style? Ours happens to be cockpit adjustable, but I have no idea if it was a PTG part or some custom concotion.

[mastek]

No not cockpit adjustable. Only the 36 GT was cockpit adjustable. Their grand am cars were not.

Still interested.
Please email me or post more detail.
I was going to install the Ground Control race front sway.

[SG_M3]

like this?

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t69/spg383/ptg/ptgswaybar.jpg

[kjb374]

This must be a 46 unless you have "wide"control arms on your 36. That is very similar to the swaybar used onthe PTG 46 cars (maybe the exact one). However, the one I am speaking of is different but similar adjustability. I don't think the two are interchangeable. Nice piece.

Looking at it initially, I thought reproducing it was a no brainer. Then we had to make a custom die, then we got into CAD drawings......Then had to get the exact type of steel and aluminum.......In the end it ended up costing much more than Ithought.

[FABEL]

so all of the attention you aimed at generating in this thread, & now you back away from bringing this to the community?

just kidding, but in all honesty, please don't fully give up on producing this piece. I'm far from needing one, but would most likely be 'swayed' into purchasing a unit from you under future desire.

I know price always come into account, but maybe the answer is classic cold-calling to multiple companies/ connections until you find someone able to help you design a replica, at a cost that proves profitable enough for your time & hassles along the way.

if you reconsider, please do keep this thread updated; even if it's under indecisive decisions on what steps to take.

[yokoseiki]

I was interested too :) but no worries. I think if I fabricated the stuff myself and attempted to make maybe 10 sway bars it would cost at least $6-7K. You probably don't get a good cost average until 20-30 sets of bars.

If guys are interested you can use just off the shelf sway bar parts from Genesis and Joe's. Joe's even makes a 30 degree bent sway bar arm. The end can be drilled out (as opposed to the clamp on fixture it's designed for) to accept either the stock link or whatever link you feel like using. Other then that the only fabrication would be making blocks to space the bearing block from the frame of the car.

The tricky part with adjustable blade style end is if you use a straight bar, you have to worry about interference between the straight blade and control arm. Obviously it's been done but it takes some tinkering. I have no idea why you need a cockpit adjustable bar. Maybe if you are building the "ultimate" enduro racer but it's used more for compensating for tire/fuel use during long runs. Not so much as a tuning tool.

[ScotcH]

I have no idea why you need a cockpit adjustable bar. Maybe if you are building the "ultimate" enduro racer but it's used more for compensating for tire/fuel use during long runs. Not so much as a tuning tool.

The only time I use mine is during testing ... it's nice to be able to do 2 laps, change the setting on the bar, and do 2 more. Immediate feedback between changes and it's easy to tune. I never touch it during a race though.