E36/E46 Carbon Fiber Race Parts FS

[kjb374]

See below for several carbon fiber parts that can be made to order. Everything you see here takes at least 3 to 4 weeks to make!! You will recieve panels only. No connectors, wires or electronics are included. Items are hand made in pre-preg, 5 layer carbon fiber. These are for RACE/TRACK CARS ONLY and are not intended for street vehicles. The quality is race grade (high). These are the most professional, race grade items I have seen for the interior of your race/track car. They are expensive but they work and are extremely functional, as they have been engineered for gmaximum driver comfort. The switch panels are designed such that, electronics, fuses, power distribution modules etc. may be mounted inside them. This makes for quick and easy removal for servicing. The smaller vent panel (driver left) is especially useful, since this area is usually occupied with a useless vent and headlight switch. Shipping additional. Email if interested.

E36 PTG Carbon Fiber Switch Panel $795


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E46 PTG Carbon Fiber Switch Panel $795
http://i508.photobucket.com/albums/s325/f430monza/CARBON%20FIBER%20PARTS%20FOR%20SALE/E46PTGSwichPanel12.jpg



Carbon Fiber Vent Panel (Located on the driver left) $160
http://i508.photobucket.com/albums/s325/f430monza/CARBON%20FIBER%20PARTS%20FOR%20SALE/DSCF1080.jpg

http://i508.photobucket.com/albums/s325/f430monza/CARBON%20FIBER%20PARTS%20FOR%20SALE/DSCF1081.jpg


Honeycomb Carbon Fiber Garge Cluster $150

http://i508.photobucket.com/albums/s325/f430monza/CARBON%20FIBER%20PARTS%20FOR%20SALE/CarbonGaugeCluster.jpg

http://i508.photobucket.com/albums/s325/f430monza/CARBON%20FIBER%20PARTS%20FOR%20SALE/PTGE36GaugeCluster2-1.jpg

http://i508.photobucket.com/albums/s325/f430monza/CARBON%20FIBER%20PARTS%20FOR%20SALE/SwitchPanel1-1.jpg

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[SneauxM3]

Was that honeycomb core I saw in a piece there?

Looks awesome.

[kjb374]

Yes we use honeycomb construction in our pieces. Much more durable but also more difficult to make.

[gretzky]

I just purchased the switch panel for the E46 and was very impressed with the build quality and the way these guys do business. First rate on both counts.

All the best,

Kirk

[khissong]

I just purchased the switch panel for the E46 and was very impressed with the build quality and the way these guys do business. First rate on both counts.

All the best,

Kirk

I too purchased a switch panel for my E36. The quality of the piece is fantastic and it was a pleasure doing business with someone who does what they say they are going to do. Thanks again kjb374.

[kjb374]

I really appreciate the positive comments and I am glad that everyone was happy with the final product. They really are very cool pieces indeed. Thank you again gentleman.

[jcorbs]

Nice looking stuff!!

Sorry to be a bit thick, but is pic#17 the only E46 item?

Can you please PM me a price and also indicate any other E46 items.

Thanks

John Corbs

[kjb374]

I believe you are referring to the center switch panel. It is $795. There are several other items not listed here because they are expensive and extremely time consuming and tedious to make. (carbon fiber dash boards, hoods, trunk lids, rear wings, lip spoilers, gurney flaps, etc. Please keep in mind that all these items were made for the ALMS circuit. They are not designed for asthetics but because there is either "go fast" rationale, or ergonomically, it suits the driver. For example, the hoods for the 36 and 46 which incorporate venting as an option, are vented mainly to create downforce on the front of the car. Most people think it just looks cool or believe its for engine cooling. Believe me when I tell you it's for downforce (wind tunnel tested and proven)! In addition, the hoods in the 36 for example, do not have any bracing in the center underside area (see pic). Again the reason here was to accomodate a much larger intake manifold in the ALMS series. The hoods are hand made, pre-preg carbon fiber utilizing a full honeycomb construction. This is why they are so lite weight (under 13 lbs) and sturdy. You would be very surprised at the amount of stress put on a hood during a track event or racing! I just spent several days with the former PTG crew chief of the year, (no kidding and probably knows these cars better than anyone, even the factory!)) and these processes were substantiated.

PICS ADDED IN LINK ABOVE

[kjb374]

PM's replied to

[m3turboptg]

I bought one switch cover for my e36 and one for my e46!!!

wow, I don't think I've ever seen a plenum that large!

[kjb374]

Can't wait to see that 46 Motorsport chassis you have going m3turboptg! I am pretty sure some of the metal bodywork on those chassis were a bit thinner than stock for weight reduction. I also believe they came from the factory with the reinforcements through the firewall and tied into the front towers. However, Grand-Am made the teams cut through the cage. What a bummer!

[Mr Estoril]

I have done business several times with the seller. kjb374 has earned my trust implicitly (not an easy thing to do). He stands behind his stuff and is a sincere pleasure to work with.

Ken, you have got to stop with all this fancy stuff that I can't live without. :)

[m3turboptg]

Can't wait to see that 46 Motorsport chassis you have going m3turboptg! I am pretty sure some of the metal bodywork on those chassis were a bit thinner than stock for weight reduction. I also believe they came from the factory with the reinforcements through the firewall and tied into the front towers. However, Grand-Am made the teams cut through the cage. What a bummer!

Me too!!!!
We worked on the E36 chassis and it should be done with body and paint work Monday. Then comes reassembly.
After that, we start to work on the e46.
You are correct, the panels are thinner. there are bars that go through the firewall and bolted together. I may decide to weld them together. I have to be careful with media blasting as the panels are thinner than I thought.

folks, I tried to pay Ken in advance and he wouldn't even take a deposit. He trusts people, so people trust him.
I'll gladly buy more parts from him as we progress on our projects!!!

[kjb374]

Thanks for the compliment!

One other thing when welding the part of the cage that goes to the front strut towers....
If they are currently severed, look carefully and you will probably notice that the bars are not mated or perfectly even together. There is probably a little gap of unevenness in each side of the cut. You will probably want to weld them together while exerting some pressure in one side so to make them come together evenly. Maybe there is someone out here who know more about this. I am pretty sure welding this without taking this into consideration will constitute an engineering design change in the tubs structure. Check into it. I noticed this on all of the grand am 46's.

[S14]

What's this guy go for? (bottom)

http://i508.photobucket.com/albums/s325/f430monza/Original%20PTG%20ALMS%20Parts/2010_1210_114250.jpg

[kjb374]

Well that piece is one of approx. 8 made and there are no molds for it. There is also very interesting story behind it. PTG came up with a new design for the stock intake plenum. They sent the prototype to Munich and Motorsport copied it it in carbon. The BMW carbon Group A intake sold for a cool $8,000 and no longer used a mass air flow sensor as their engine management (EFI Technologies) got the information from throttle position. After several wins and many unhappy competitors (mainly Porsche), the race body forced PTG to use 1.5 inch restrictors on their intake mainfold. This was like runnig a marathon while breathing throught a straw. So PTG took the original $8000 BMW Motorsport piece and literally carved it up! They made the body of it much larger to hold more air but did not touch the throttle side of it. And this is how this piece came about. I actually had to modify it slightly to fit in the engine bay (pic one) and also refabricate part of the driver side strut tower. You also have to use the PTG carbon hood as it does not have the reinforcements on the underside so this allows the hood to fully close when using this intake. See pics I only know of two others in existance. One was on a PTG 46 that went to pebble beach and the other sold for $3000 and it had a connecting rod rip through it from a blown engine.

[S14]

Sounds like a perfect reason to reproduce it!!!

[kjb374]

Believe me I would love to but the cost be be astronomical. If you could only see the trumpet section closeup, you would see what I am talkiing about. Maybe this pic will expalin more. The part that mounts to the throttles on the motor, is actually one piece (all 6 of the throttle trumpets on the intake are attached to each other) for added strength) and is made of machined aluminum and then recovered on Carbon fiber. It's not that we could ot do it because anything is possible relative to cost, but it would just not make sense cost wise.

[Steve J.]

I think you mean they went with a MAP setup instead of MAF...you can't base it just off throttle position. They probably ran MAP, Baro, TPS, and IAT.

Do you know if they did any harmonic tuning with it, or was it mostly just them tuning plenum size on the dyno for peak power gains as a trial/error process?

They let them run a long restrictor IIRC, which can help a lot compared to a restrictor plate.

[kjb374]

I believe I stated they did not use the mass air flow sensor (MAF). They used a MAP (Manifold Absolute Pressure) and manifold air temp sensor among several other sensors. Even their VANOS solenoids were different. The trumpet like restrictor still limits air tremendously and therfore, limits horsepower. For example chassis number 1 PTG E46 V8 (Bell Motorsports car) made 440 on the dyno with the trumpet like restrictors. Same motor without the restrictor, makes 590 BHP! But even restricted, the car back then was faster than the GT1 Corvettes at the 24 at DIS until a tragic failure. This is where BMW Motorsport came up with the idea of the GTR's that actually went back to Germany except for one still that is still in the states in a private collection. There were several "go fast" engineering and build techniques that PTG engineers adopted and designed into their race cars that work time tested! I just don't have the time to list them all. If anyone thinks their road going, back yard built, track ready, M3 is remotely close to a PTG built M3 their sadly mistaking! You wouldn't believe the differences! These cars and their parts fetch high dollars and I am sure one day will be highly sought after.

[m3turboptg]

I had a chance to purchase a big carbon fiber plenum a while back, but since I haven't decided which power plant to use, I decided to wait a while.
However, 3 months ago, we did fabricate an aluminum plenum for the s54 with the oem velocity stacks into an E36 chassis.
IT WAS A ROYAL PITA to make.

I've been on the dyno quite a few times with all different kind of intakes, ram air with the s54 etc....
Air velocity seems to wake everything up over volume.
I pushed approximately 65mph air into the plenums with very little gain.

Here's a pic. of it.

[kjb374]

I have heard from several race teams that the carbon plenum on the 54 does not offer that much of an improvement over the stock 54 plenum. This is very different on the 36. The head on the 54 is an amazing design and flows extremely well. I think the engineers took all the good and bad things of the S50 Euro powerplant and put everything to use in the design of the 54.

[m3turboptg]

Ken, that is an s54 engine we built on.
the motor is in a e36 chassis.

I agree, it' pretty tough to beat the factory plenum by "large" margins.

[kjb374]

great combo and nice work on that intake! I would agree on you point of air velocity over volume. It would be nice to have both!

[m3turboptg]

great combo and nice work on that intake! I would agree on you point of air velocity over volume. It would be nice to have both!


Thanks!
Hmmmmm...... I have an idea!!!
This s54 we're working on has 13:1 compression, cams and stand-alone ecu.
I'm going to run some tests with the plenum and if I can prove that it makes some kind of worthy gaines; we can reverse engineer the parts and duplicate it!!!!
It's connected via silicone hose etc...
if anyone wants closer pics. i'll be glad to provide.

we used the OEM velocity stacks. I KNOW bmw did their homework there!!!

[Steve J.]

The BMW carbon Group A intake sold for a cool $8,000 and no longer used a mass air flow sensor as their engine management (EFI Technologies) got the information from throttle position.


I believe I stated they did not use the mass air flow sensor (MAF). They used a MAP (Manifold Absolute Pressure) and manifold air temp sensor among several other sensors.

I'm sure you knew, not doubting that...I just read the aboe statement so i wasn't sure if people understood fully from that post.

Since people will not be using this for grandam/alms/wc, has anyone tried building variable volume plenums? We played with this in FSAE for a while and it yielded some impressive results. I think BMW has a version too - would be interesting to see it tuned on a racecar.

[S14]

I find it funny that you guys can create carbon parts and sexy aluminum intake manifolds, yet you upload pictures like it's 1999:help


Seriously, I'm lazy and don't want to click on the pics, link them from photobucket or flickr!

[kjb374]

sorry, but I am not sure how to upload like you did with the intakes? That is really the best way I have seen. How did you do it?

[S14]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+post+pictures+in+a+forum



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvvxraciwvI

[kjb374]

Very nice thanks.

[MR.E36i]

Pm sent

[kjb374]

All PM's have been answered.

The air intake plenum is not for sale. It is one of approximately 8 made by PTG. They cannot be duplicated to this same quality standard for any reasonable price. The knockoff plenums I have seen on the market are substandard and usually not dyno tested. They also flex under extreme throttle. They are more for show than go!

[B Marques]

do you make e36 carbon door cards?

[kjb374]

If you mean the inner door skins then no we do not. However, we do make the doors.

[///w3fl3x]

Not sure if I missed the price cause I'm looking at this on my iPod and not my computer right now but how much for the e36 cf hood? Also do you guys make an e36 cf trunk?

[kjb374]

$2195 on the hood. Yes, we also have the trunk lids. The earlier ALMS trunk lids had the GT lip spoiler built into .

[luv4myE36]

OT, but is that a sparco 383 wheel in the pic in the first post?

[kjb374]

That's a MOMO wheel.

[kjb374]

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