Push button start locations?

[530transam]

Im going to order an alarm which includes smart entry with a credit card type remote. So ive been scouting out spaces for my interior and i was wondering where others have put their start buttons. BTW im going to do a full key delete, shaving the column and everything. You can have the steering wheel lock disabled quite easily in case you were wondering. Anyway, i think i want to put it where my fog light switch is. Theres a little vent which i assume is for the microphone that i dont need so i was thinking of moving the fog light switch over to there since i dont use it anyway, i just leave them on, and putting my push start in place of it. It looks like there is room and it looks like this space would be the perfect location, its easy to reach, and wouldnt be sticking out of no where if you know what i mean, and it seems to me that if from factory these cars hadit,it would probably go there. So anyone have one here? Or anywhere else?

btw if anyone is wondering, im using an advancedkeys kit;
http://www.advancedkeys.com/

[ShapeShifter]

Push button start?
Why?
IMO, kinda ghey and useless.

Also, if the car is a '95 with EWS II, you might have a problem getting it to work unless you do an EWS bypass.

[bmw525i justin]

That seems like a nice location to put the thing.

I personally DON'T have one, but it looks super cool, to say the least.

[530transam]

Push button start?
Why?
IMO, kinda ghey and useless.

Also, if the car is a '95 with EWS II, you might have a problem getting it to work unless you do an EWS bypass.

Well number 1 i like it, i think its cool and have you made a copy of your key lately? Cause i have lost 3 and with those three keys alone i could have paid for this alarm

and number 2 i honestly always have my hands full at work i dress in a suit and have to carry my jacket and my shoes and my badge and a bunch of crap and i usually end up laying it on my car while fumbling for my keys it would be easier and prevent wrinkles and dirt lol to just walk away. If im not at work then im at school and i have to carry a backpack,an art tote, and usually whatever insane project my teacher is having us work on. Its just convenient to have a hand freed up.

i dont even know what EWS is lol but ill look into it. Yes my car is a 95 540i/6

[LouieD]

Kinda slick. Keep us posted on instal and functionality.

[CO535i]

You will still need a key to unlock the steering wheel. So if you manage to lose another key you will be S.O.L. until you buy yet another key.

[530transam]

..... BTW im going to do a full key delete, shaving the column and everything. You can have the steering wheel lock disabled quite easily in case you were wondering......


You will still need a key to unlock the steering wheel. So if you manage to lose another key you will be S.O.L. until you buy yet another key.


In the first few sentences. reading before replying is good.

[530transam]

Kinda slick. Keep us posted on instal and functionality.
Oh i will most definitely be paying some qualified candidate to install it lol i do not have the patience for car electronics, and i dont trust myself. I have witnessed 3 friends fry their OBC's trying to install alarms and if there damage there, there may be other unseen damage even if it only costs $50 for a new OBC. I just bought a 76 Volvo and im swapping in a 93 B230ft and i am running in circles trying to figure out the wiring i mean i just get lost in this crap its so frustrating!!!!!Oddly enough i am super comfortable installing stereos? Whatever. lol. But once i have it all done, i will make a video and a detailed post for you guys.

[cornflakecwl]

Oh i will most definitely be paying some qualified candidate to install it lol i do not have the patience for car electronics, and i dont trust myself. I have witnessed 3 friends fry their OBC's trying to install alarms and if there damage there, there may be other unseen damage even if it only costs $50 for a new OBC. I just bought a 76 Volvo and im swapping in a 93 B230ft and i am running in circles trying to figure out the wiring i mean i just get lost in this crap its so frustrating!!!!!Oddly enough i am super comfortable installing stereos? Whatever. lol. But once i have it all done, i will make a video and a detailed post for you guys.
No need to explain. I have done ALL kinds of stereo work, installed a killer system in a friends '91 Ferrari 512TR, 6 of my own cars, friends etc etc, but I have always had my remote starters/alarms installed by pro's. Just can't be bothered. I have added on window modules and other things over the years but never the core install.

[sfgearhead]

So I'm curious, what happens when the battery dies? How do you get into the car? If the battery dies while the car is double locked, then just pulling up on the lock button won't help.

Personally I would mount the start button down on the knee plate under where the key would normally go. That blank spot up on the dash near the foglight would work as well, it's where the EDC controls go in some cars.

EWS is the immobilization system. Can be tricky, so be careful. It requires a key with the right chip to be present, so you'll have to figure that out, or bypass it as others have said.

[CO535i]

In the first few sentences. reading before replying is good.

oh, right, right, right.

[Meeve]

push start location ?

No where.

If you REALY have to, I would say that the fog position is best also.

[Meeve]

push start location ?

No where.

If you REALY have to, I would say that the fog position is best also.

[Hoolie]

What? You're building a tractor? 0_o

[530transam]

So I'm curious, what happens when the battery dies? How do you get into the car? If the battery dies while the car is double locked, then just pulling up on the lock button won't help.

Personally I would mount the start button down on the knee plate under where the key would normally go. That blank spot up on the dash near the foglight would work as well, it's where the EDC controls go in some cars.

EWS is the immobilization system. Can be tricky, so be careful. It requires a key with the right chip to be present, so you'll have to figure that out, or bypass it as others have said.
You can still use regular keys for the door. Why would the battery die? I have never had a battery die on me and i have been driving for more than 10 years. Wow. Im old. I have a spare key at work, and at home, and my room mate has one. This is all because we were sharing my car for a few months and if we had different shifts in the same day we would take turns. Like shed drop me off at 8 then start at 10. So at 4 id go home and come back and get her at 6. anyway, everyone has a spare key just like anyone else id just call someone to being my spare.And theres always the tow truck/lock smith. I have no intentions of shaving the door locks off the car, so they still are usable. Ask Z owners what they do because if i remember correctly, they dont even have door locks, only poppers right? Then again that was probably all planned in and like corvettes and xlr's they have a puller somewhere. Is the e34 different than the E36? My E36 you just pulled the handle from the inside and it would unlock and then open isn't it the same for my 540? i haven't tried


What? You're building a tractor? 0_o

I'm sorry but i have no idea what this is in reference too i dont know how to respond. You mean my Volvo? If so then im building a 1976 Volvo 242 which is a 2 door car, and im using a turbo 2.3 late model engine with factory piston squirters. Not a tractor. Unless thats some slang for Volvo's im not familiar with?

[Hoolie]

in tractors and also trucks you have a key for the ignition.. but you use a button to start the engine.. For some reason..

Had some form of keyless push start in a e90 i drove for a w hile but that was just annoying..

[ShapeShifter]

i think its cool and have you made a copy of your key lately?
Yes, and I bypassed my EWS, so, I have no need for a key with a transponder.
So, the key was $14 bucks cut.



and number 2 i honestly always have my hands full at work i dress in a suit and have to carry my jacket and my shoes and my badge and a bunch of crap and i usually end up laying it on my car while fumbling for my keys it would be easier and prevent wrinkles and dirt lol to just walk away. If im not at work then im at school and i have to carry a backpack,an art tote, and usually whatever insane project my teacher is having us work on. Its just convenient to have a hand freed up.

i dont even know what EWS is lol but ill look into it. Yes my car is a 95 540i/6

:nono You still need a free hand to push the button.


How do you plan on keeping the car from starting during a theft?

Good luck integrating that into the EWS. EWS II is connected to almost every electronic device in the car. Locks, headlights, windows, starter, to name a few.

Sounds like what you really need is keyless entry. Put all your stuff down and start the car. Unless you plan on keeping all the stuff in your hands while driving.

Honestly I could think of a bunch of other things to waste time and money on...

[530transam]

Yes, and I bypassed my EWS, so, I have no need for a key with a transponder.
So, the key was $14 bucks cut.



:nono You still need a free hand to push the button.


How do you plan on keeping the car from starting during a theft?

Good luck integrating that into the EWS. EWS II is connected to almost every electronic device in the car. Locks, headlights, windows, starter, to name a few.

Sounds like what you really need is keyless entry. Put all your stuff down and start the car. Unless you plan on keeping all the stuff in your hands while driving.

Honestly I could think of a bunch of other things to waste time and money on...


Why would i push the button while walking away from my car? I don't think i need to start my car as im entering the elevator LMAO. Maybe you are confused on what im installing. You slip a credit card sizes transponder into your wallet. Walk up to the car, it unlocks. Sit down and push start to turn the engine on. get to where to need to be, push the button to stop the engine. get out, get your crap (heres where my hand become full), walk away. As you walk away your car locks. Theft wont happen because you need the transponder in order for the push button start to work otherwise it would be just like any other car theft which is super super common and a deciding factor in everything i do. At work i park in a parking garage on a remote level with security cameras every 10 feet and patrolling security and also team member coming and going all day, and it happens to be the same level as Facilities employees so my car is never alone and vulnerable so to speak. At home i have a private road and a 6 car garage. In public if anyone was to break in, the engine wont run without the responder, unless bypassed like any other car in which case failure wouldn't be on the alarm, so all in all, i think its actually safer with this system than without it.


I would really appreciate hearing how to bypass EWS please :) it may be necessary and this alarm only cost $200 thats not much money at all. People spend upwards of $700 for certain Viper systems.

Where the hell do you have your keys cut for $14? Cheapest guy in town says $65 plus the cost of the blank. Your are laser cut as well right?

[530transam]

in tractors and also trucks you have a key for the ignition.. but you use a button to start the engine.. For some reason..

Had some form of keyless push start in a e90 i drove for a w hile but that was just annoying..


We are Peach Walnut and Prune Farmers. we have thousands of acres its a pretty big operation. We own 16 Tractors all different sizes, we own shakers, we own 4 semi trucks, and miscellaneous equipment. Everything we own, and its all relatively new as far as farm equipment goes, and everything we own starts with a key. Most of it with very simple flimsy butterfly keys like a lawn mower lol. I have never seen a tractor or truck start with a button but it sure would be nice! Thats wierd that you would have a key as well as button in a truck!!!! LOL

In the E90 did you have a key or a fob of any kind? Or a wallet type key like Corvette C6 or Cadillac XLR? A key plus a push button start would be stupid i agree what im getting is in place of all of it, except for in emergencies.

[Hoolie]

We are Peach Walnut and Prune Farmers. we have thousands of acres its a pretty big operation. We own 16 Tractors all different sizes, we own shakers, we own 4 semi trucks, and miscellaneous equipment. Everything we own, and its all relatively new as far as farm equipment goes, and everything we own starts with a key. Most of it with very simple flimsy butterfly keys like a lawn mower lol. I have never seen a tractor or truck start with a button but it sure would be nice! Thats wierd that you would have a key as well as button in a truck!!!! LOL

In the E90 did you have a key or a fob of any kind? Or a wallet type key like Corvette C6 or Cadillac XLR? A key plus a push button start would be stupid i agree what im getting is in place of all of it, except for in emergencies.

Well they don't sell US trucks here up to reecent.. They're cool to look at but are behind in the times and the cabs didn't pass the crash tests..

Guess if you have machinery hooked up to the tractor and need to put the ignition on to work the lights you don't want to risk makeing it turn over i guess..

[530transam]

Well they don't sell US trucks here up to reecent.. They're cool to look at but are behind in the times and the cabs didn't pass the crash tests..

Guess if you have machinery hooked up to the tractor and need to put the ignition on to work the lights you don't want to risk makeing it turn over i guess..

Hmmm....makes sense. I guess it just depends on the model. I didnt realize you were in sweden!! Can you send me some stuff for my Volvo? lol like an M90 transmission?

[cathrine]

i dint heared any thing about this but now i want to have a experience of that.

[Stereoinstaller1]

Im going to order an alarm which includes smart entry with a credit card type remote. So ive been scouting out spaces for my interior and i was wondering where others have put their start buttons. BTW im going to do a full key delete, shaving the column and everything. You can have the steering wheel lock disabled quite easily in case you were wondering. Anyway, i think i want to put it where my fog light switch is. Theres a little vent which i assume is for the microphone that i dont need so i was thinking of moving the fog light switch over to there since i dont use it anyway, i just leave them on, and putting my push start in place of it. It looks like there is room and it looks like this space would be the perfect location, its easy to reach, and wouldnt be sticking out of no where if you know what i mean, and it seems to me that if from factory these cars hadit,it would probably go there. So anyone have one here? Or anywhere else?

btw if anyone is wondering, im using an advancedkeys kit;
http://www.advancedkeys.com/
I SO wish you lived closer! I am a pro installer, since 1980. Specialized in BMW most of my career and I would LOVE to do that install! EWSII bypass is no worries for me, either. The bypass will use up a key though. You aren't gonna plan on being able to use one anywhere, right?

As far as dead battery worries go, get yourself a big +12V connector, like the ones used on a winch. Parallel it with the battery and mount it under a bumper somewhere, than make 2 sets of jumpers: 1 for in the car and one for at home so it can't be locked in the car...

[Hoolie]

Hmmm....makes sense. I guess it just depends on the model. I didnt realize you were in sweden!! Can you send me some stuff for my Volvo? lol like an M90 transmission?

Nevermind the M90.. Use a Getrag out of a BMW...

M90 ususally throws 3d gear..

They're sought after.. Find yourself a manual 960 or V/S90 and you score one there..

[whiskychaser]

in tractors and also trucks you have a key for the ignition.. but you use a button to start the engine

Must be very old trucks you are thinking about. Scania, Volvo, DAF, MAN, Merc, Renault all use keys to start :)

I wonder what the insurance companies say about disabling the steering lock? If you drive around with your fog lights on all the time here, you will get a ticket every day.

Still like the idea of walking up to the car and it unlocks, walking away and it locks though

[530transam]

I SO wish you lived closer! I am a pro installer, since 1980. Specialized in BMW most of my career and I would LOVE to do that install! EWSII bypass is no worries for me, either. The bypass will use up a key though. You aren't gonna plan on being able to use one anywhere, right?

As far as dead battery worries go, get yourself a big +12V connector, like the ones used on a winch. Parallel it with the battery and mount it under a bumper somewhere, than make 2 sets of jumpers: 1 for in the car and one for at home so it can't be locked in the car...

I was planning on leaving the door key useable, but as far as ignition no i dont plan on using any keys. Only door lock keys so im not worried about the dead battery but thats a good idea about the jumpers like the older Ford f series has stock or even the Crown Vic cruisers have mounted on the fron


Nevermind the M90.. Use a Getrag out of a BMW...

M90 ususally throws 3d gear..

They're sought after.. Find yourself a manual 960 or V/S90 and you score one there..

There are no manual 960 or v series here, and certainly no RWD models at all, like there are there. We have no m90 equiped car here whatsoever. I dont plan on using an M90 unless i could get one super cheap. I have a V6 Firebird just sitting out side so i am using the T5 5 speed out of it and bolting it up the the B230ft they fit with just minor adaptation. Then that V6 is getting an iron block 5.3 LS1 and T56 and becoming a purpose built drift car


Must be very old trucks you are thinking about. Scania, Volvo, DAF, MAN, Merc, Renault all use keys to start :)

I wonder what the insurance companies say about disabling the steering lock? If you drive around with your fog lights on all the time here, you will get a ticket every day.

Still like the idea of walking up to the car and it unlocks, walking away and it locks though

I dont see how insurance would even know let alone care. Insurance here doesnt even see the car you just call and give them the vin and they writer your policy. Some Insurance, its very rare, but some, will take pictures but they never get past pics. They dont have any idea in fact here you can add aftermarket parts to your policy depending on your company. So yea, if my turbo catches on fire insurance would replace it even though it was added aftermarket. You guys cant even leghally lower your cars right? Thats why European cars have so many different factory offerings because however your car is built you are stuck with it (legally).

[whiskychaser]

I dont see how insurance would even know let alone care. You guys cant even leghally lower your cars right? Thats why European cars have so many different factory offerings because however your car is built you are stuck with it (legally).
If you dont break the Construction and Use or traffic laws, you can do any mods you like. But if you dont declare them and the insurance company find out, they will invalidate your insurance. They send an engineer to inspect the car if you have an accident or if its stolen/recovered. His job is as a loss adjuster too - to get the insurance off without paying if he can. If you insurers dont care then great. Like I said, I think its a fine idea.