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Dazajj

04-04-2011, 03:15 PM

HEY EVERYONE!! I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT CARS BUT I GET ON HERE AND ASK QUESTIONS AND GET SHIT DONE THANKS TO EVERYONE'S HELP! SO MY NEXT PROJECT IS TO GIVE MY 97 318i SOME MORE TORQUE COMING OFF OF FIRST AND SECOND. SO, I CLEANED THE MAF, AND THAT HELPED, AND FROM WHAT I'VE READ CHANGING THE PERFORMANCE CHIP WOULD BE A GOOD MOVE. IS THIS RIGHT!? ALSO, I DON'T WANT TO SPEND MUCH MONEY, A COUPLE HUNDRED AT MOST.. ANYWAYS, ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. I'LL LOOK AROUND IN WEBSITES FOR PERFORMANCE CHIPS, BUT IF YOU KNOW OF A GREAT PLACE TO LOOK THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED!! THANKS EVERYONE!!!!:buttrock:buttrock

budget76

04-04-2011, 03:24 PM

why are you yelling?

you can't forget it's a 1.9L, they need to be revved to make the power. Doubt the chips do much, never looked into them for the 4's though. IMO save the money and spend it on maintenece

Dazajj

04-04-2011, 03:37 PM

PHARMDVIPER

04-04-2011, 03:41 PM

you don't have a chip that you can just change out....that came in 95 and below e36's....you would have to get a shark injector..if they even make them for 318's

no offense but you have a 318 which can't get out of its own way.....I wouldn't even bother with go fast mods....save for a swap

6banger17

04-04-2011, 03:45 PM

haha. sorry for the yelling man! hhmmm.. i've been trying to look for chips but for some reason the 'good chips', JC and dinan are not made for a 97 318i... its like they stop at 95.. anyways, so you're saying that replacing the chip is not going to do much do to the type of engine?
your car cant be chipped
chips run for OBD1 cars
you have a 97 according to your info so you run OBD2
there for you would be looking for a reflash
but according to what iv seen i dont think conforti makes a shark injector for the 318
there may be others tho

Dazajj

04-04-2011, 03:50 PM

haha my car is pretty weak man. this is my pre- real BMW car. You gotta start somewhere right!? thanks for the help everyone!!!

6banger17

04-04-2011, 03:54 PM

or im pretty sure you could go to a "speed shop" and they should be able to re map your ecu with whatever parameters they see fit for more "power"
someone correct me if im wrong.

CBprodigy

04-04-2011, 04:18 PM

well if you want torque with an e36 youre gonna need one of two things..

328i
or
M3

your choice.

Toby B

04-04-2011, 08:03 PM

check your disa first.

I never minded the lack of torque, but in the head gasket plastic pipe fiasco,
have discovered that mine could not have been working.
For about 7 reasons. Only one that'll cost over $10.

so I'm a little excited for the 6 ft- lbs that I might get...

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CC325i

04-04-2011, 08:14 PM

im about to do this for one of my 92 325i's and ive seen a few post on here doing the same , look on ebay for a used eaton m90 or m62 supercharger i see them for sale for $ 100-300 always atleast 10 to choose from, whole set up can be done for cheap and get 5-1.2 psi some decent hp gains a good diy project look on youtube about it

HDC

04-04-2011, 08:53 PM

100 dollar superchargers? you would put that on your car?

Russell042

04-04-2011, 09:01 PM

A 318?
Not much torque gonna happen there.

CC325i

04-04-2011, 09:12 PM

100 dollar superchargers? you would put that on your car?

yea these 100$ superchargers show good durability, buy a rebuild kit for em if ur a lil iffy about it , check into it these show good HP results

rllynch1

04-04-2011, 09:16 PM

yea these 100$ superchargers show good durability, buy a rebuild kit for em if ur a lil iffy about it , check into it these show good HP results

And by saying all of this, I'm assuming you've been using one for a while and have dyno'd results of before and after?

CC325i

04-04-2011, 09:31 PM

rllynch1

04-04-2011, 09:33 PM

no i have yet to do it to my car tho i have all the parts, still in the process of stripping the car for track use when i pull the engine ill do the blower set up and make a detailed thread about it, but check forums and youtube and see threads dyno results about eaton blowers on bmw's its most common on e30's and e36's,
dont look to me to answer all your questions about it, research for your self lol

I mean, I definitely don't plan on supercharging my E36, but if I did, I'd stay the hell away from one that is $100. I was just looking out for other guys so they don't read flawed info. I don't see how a $100 supercharger could be capable of doing anything other than adding useless weight, but if you say so...

CC325i

04-04-2011, 09:45 PM

CC325i

04-04-2011, 09:53 PM

I mean, I definitely don't plan on supercharging my E36, but if I did, I'd stay the hell away from one that is $100. I was just looking out for other guys so they don't read flawed info. I don't see how a $100 supercharger could be capable of doing anything other than adding useless weight, but if you say so...

BMW them self put the Eaton m42 superchargers on the MINI coop Brand cars, Mercades also uses eaton blowers on theres Stock out of the factory! you yourself dont put up flawed information or shoot down resonable ideas from just guessing lol maby if i said make an air scoop out of a coffee can but ill leave that to your area of experience

rllynch1

04-04-2011, 09:53 PM

Heres alot of the information your looking for http://www.pelicanparts.com/BMW/techarticles/101-Projects-22-Supercharger/101-Projects-22-Supercharger.htm

Even tho the hp gains you see on that page ive seen way more gain from other people by useing different pully sizes, ill keep lookin

Dyno results
reliability

Alright, I hate fighting over the internet because it's dumb. But, you've pretty much just called me a dumbass for not knowing what a supercharger is.

I know what a supercharger is and how it works. I've done my research on them. Yes they're great things but far too expensive for me. The link you gave me, however, is only info on a generalized supercharger/turbocharger. NOT a link for this so called "$100 supercharger". I did however decide to look up an eaton supercharger for myself. The only thing I found for $100 was the pulleys for the supercharger, not the actual supercharger itself.

Now, until you provide me legitimate information on this $100 supercharger showing that it actually increases horsepower and does in fact cost $100, I'm gonna keep calling BS.

CC325i

04-04-2011, 10:00 PM

i said 100-300$ its all good yea upgrades for car can get expencive but ill live in a tent untill the cars finished and make shit happen! lol

EverydayGetaway

04-04-2011, 10:39 PM

You could easily get an Eaton blower for under $300... I see them at my local junk yard every now and then, you can buy them there for $50 I think. And they would be fine once you got them hooked up. But you're going to spend a lot of money fabricating an intake manifold and other various bits... I would be curious to see it done though. My friend and I played with the idea of retro-fitting one to his 944.

As for TQ gains, A supercharger will definitely do the trick ;) Still doesn't pull as hard as the 6cyl below 25000rpm, but once you're past that the powerband feels smoother and stronger imo. Would I pay the $3500 for a new DASC though? Heck no... not worth the cost, would definitely just do a 6cyl swap... or a V8 swap :)

Dazajj

04-05-2011, 11:00 AM

what do you guys think about upgrading the performance software!?
http://www.dinancars.com/shop/D900-193-Performance-Engine-Software.aspx#page=1

ChuckDizzle

04-05-2011, 11:11 AM

if you want torque you need forced induction (supercharger or turbo) and/or add a few cylinders and a couple liters of displacement and you'll have more torque

Dazajj

04-05-2011, 11:38 AM

How much does it cost to add a few cylinders!?

DJCarbine

04-05-2011, 12:03 PM

i said 100-300$ its all good yea upgrades for car can get expencive but ill live in a tent untill the cars finished and make shit happen! lol

What about the intake manifold for the supercharger? You will need a lot more than just the supercharger to make it work. Your 100-300 dollar supercharger is going to cost more in the 1000-2000 dollar range for everything.

I've done turbo builds, including a very nice budget build for less than 800 dollars. The only reason this is possible is the HUGE aftermarket of cheap but sturdy chinese parts.

Find me a supercharger, mounting hardware, manifold for a BMW thats 100-300 dollars, and I will send you cookies

EverydayGetaway

04-05-2011, 02:45 PM

How much does it cost to add a few cylinders!?

I can't tell if you're joking... :shifty

jason325is

04-05-2011, 02:48 PM

How much does it cost to add a few cylinders!?

only like 20 bucks a cylinder, they just bolt right on!

:shifty

Dazajj

04-05-2011, 03:25 PM

Haha I wasn't kidding. Car parts and maintenance is a completely new world to me.

CC325i

04-05-2011, 04:00 PM

What about the intake manifold for the supercharger? You will need a lot more than just the supercharger to make it work. Your 100-300 dollar supercharger is going to cost more in the 1000-2000 dollar range for everything.

I've done turbo builds, including a very nice budget build for less than 800 dollars. The only reason this is possible is the HUGE aftermarket of cheap but sturdy chinese parts.

Find me a supercharger, mounting hardware, manifold for a BMW thats 100-300 dollars, and I will send you cookies

no not at all, if your goin for a low budget eaton build, all you need is a cheap intercooler and pipeing from ebay and a bov with fittings and clamps such as this for $139, in some cases you wouldnt even need the intercooler if your running 0,5bar or lower

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/UNIVERSAL-FMIC-TURBO-INTERCOOLER-2-5-PIPING-KIT-BOV-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5641d61761QQitemZ37047 1737185QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries
and a extra belt tensoner and belt and pully for cheap maby 50$ at the most?

and if ur handy with basic metal work and have access to a welder you can make the fitting to the botom of the s/c with a flat peice of steel with a 2.5 or 3" pipe fitting in the middle
then just relocate your power steering fluid resivior to make room for the s/c , make a small 4 leg platform right above the alternator theres plenty of places and different ways to mount this bracket, and is even more easy to mount in the place of the ac compressor if you dont mind doin away with it

total cost can be done for 400-500$ theres a few small things i havent listed ull need but for the price and able to get 0,5 to 1,2bar its about the cheapest hp gain for the price no need for forged internals alot of prople say the m50 block is good for 9psi

This project i would suggest for the Handy DIY people

jason325is

04-05-2011, 04:04 PM

Haha I wasn't kidding. Car parts and maintenance is a completely new world to me.

Well in that case, I'm going to hold back the sarcasm and just tell you you're stuck with four cylinders as long as that motor is in your car.

And beware of bad information. I like your attitude of wanting to learn as much as you can, but not all the input/advice you get is going to be good. Inside and outside of this forum.

That said, you should probably change your flux capacitor.

Sptsmed

04-05-2011, 04:08 PM

But then you will require 1.21 Gigawatts

jason325is

04-05-2011, 04:09 PM

Start with the basics Dazajj, maybe this will help you. Once you understand what is happening in each cylinder I think it will help you make better sense of what is going to get you hp/torque gains. And simply put, the more cylinders you have, the more power you have, which is why your 318 is not very strong with four

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/engine1.htm

jason325is

04-05-2011, 04:16 PM

Actually, I just went through all of the pages of that and it is surprisingly comprehensive. It even gets to a section about how to increase power and how turbos and superchargers work. Lots of info in there that would be very valuable to you.

CC325i

04-05-2011, 04:21 PM

check the link to the pelican guide i posted earlyer in the thread good info

DJCarbine

04-05-2011, 04:45 PM

no not at all, if your goin for a low budget eaton build, all you need is a cheap intercooler and pipeing from ebay and a bov with fittings and clamps such as this for $139, in some cases you wouldnt even need the intercooler if your running 0,5bar or lower

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/UNIVERSAL-FMIC-TURBO-INTERCOOLER-2-5-PIPING-KIT-BOV-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5641d61761QQitemZ37047 1737185QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?campid=5335818596&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Frover.ebay.com%2Frover%2F1%2F711-53200-19255-0%2F1%3Fcampid%3D5335818596%26amp%3Btoolid%3D10001 %26amp%3Bmpre%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fcgi.ebay.com%25 2Febaymotors%252FUNIVERSAL-FMIC-TURBO-INTERCOOLER-2-5-PIPING-KIT-BOV-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5641d61761QQitemZ37047 1737185QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries)
and a extra belt tensoner and belt and pully for cheap maby 50$ at the most?

and if ur handy with basic metal work and have access to a welder you can make the fitting to the botom of the s/c with a flat peice of steel with a 2.5 or 3" pipe fitting in the middle
then just relocate your power steering fluid resivior to make room for the s/c , make a small 4 leg platform right above the alternator theres plenty of places and different ways to mount this bracket, and is even more easy to mount in the place of the ac compressor if you dont mind doin away with it

total cost can be done for 400-500$ theres a few small things i havent listed ull need but for the price and able to get 0,5 to 1,2bar its about the cheapest hp gain for the price no need for forged internals alot of prople say the m50 block is good for 9psi

This project i would suggest for the Handy DIY people

So you are refering to a centrifugal supercharger in this post.
In your other post I think you were refering to screw superchargers like those commonly found on (and therfor easy to find and cheap) GM 3.8L motors.

So which kind are you talking about?

btw, I don't think centrifugal supercharger and low budget fit together, unless you find the deal of a lifetime on a used unit that someone is giving away

ChuckDizzle

04-05-2011, 04:51 PM

China-chargers!!!! hell yea

:nono:shifty

DJCarbine

04-05-2011, 04:58 PM

China-chargers!!!! hell yea

:nono:shifty

Chinachargers are awesome, I've put about 40K miles on one, and 20K on another.

16psi, still great.
There are a few things you need to do to make them reliable, but its easy and cheap to do.

ChuckDizzle

04-05-2011, 05:11 PM

Chinachargers are awesome, I've put about 40K miles on one, and 20K on another.

16psi, still great.
There are a few things you need to do to make them reliable, but its easy and cheap to do.

I'm more of the plug-n-play type of consumer but to each his own. However, theres a fine line between a "budget build" and a Pacific-rim universal turbo kit. I believe you're categorized under budget build, not really a china-charger

Dazajj

04-05-2011, 05:23 PM

thanks for the link!! learning some good stuff!! i need to explore this website some more!

DJCarbine

04-05-2011, 05:49 PM

I'm more of the plug-n-play type of consumer but to each his own. However, theres a fine line between a "budget build" and a Pacific-rim universal turbo kit. I believe you're categorized under budget build, not really a china-charger

I'm the guy that buys broken electronics off craigslist and fixes/sells them

Universal turbo-kits are for the most part utter trash lol

CC325i

04-05-2011, 07:24 PM

So you are refering to a centrifugal supercharger in this post.
In your other post I think you were refering to screw superchargers like those commonly found on (and therfor easy to find and cheap) GM 3.8L motors.

So which kind are you talking about?

btw, I don't think centrifugal supercharger and low budget fit together, unless you find the deal of a lifetime on a used unit that someone is giving away

yea the eatons with the centrifugal clutch are more exspencive, i havent seen but one person use the clutch type i dont really see the point of haveing one with the clutch besides if you wanted it to shut off the pressure build up when letting off the throttle in high rpm but isnt that the purpous of a BOV i guess both togather all the better

CC325i

04-05-2011, 07:26 PM

I'm the guy that buys broken electronics off craigslist and fixes/sells them

Universal turbo-kits are for the most part utter trash lol

ehh i think the kits are pretty good just leave out the actual turbo = paper weight

DJCarbine

04-05-2011, 07:37 PM

yea the eatons with the centrifugal clutch are more exspencive, i havent seen but one person use the clutch type i dont really see the point of haveing one with the clutch besides if you wanted it to shut off the pressure build up when letting off the throttle in high rpm but isnt that the purpous of a BOV i guess both togather all the better

I'm not aware of any superchargers having a clutch except maybe the MR2

The point of wanting a clutch is simple, to keep low RPM/low load efficiency. It takes power to turn a supercharger, and if its not operating in boost its just acting as drag on the motor.

Don't know if they even make clutch activated superchargers for aftermarket, except maybe Mad Max

DrinkCoffee

04-05-2011, 07:42 PM

Chinachargers are awesome, I've put about 40K miles on one, and 20K on another.

16psi, still great.
There are a few things you need to do to make them reliable, but its easy and cheap to do.

Under 800$ and already 40k on one. That's .02$ per mile, which is cheaper than my oil cost :eek:

That's some pretty impressive shit, man. And 16psi is pretty sick too :buttrock

What simple things are you talking about to be more reliable (if you could point me in the right direction)? Also, how much fabrication did you end up doing?

DJCarbine

04-05-2011, 09:36 PM

Under 800$ and already 40k on one. That's .02$ per mile, which is cheaper than my oil cost :eek:

That's some pretty impressive shit, man. And 16psi is pretty sick too :buttrock

What simple things are you talking about to be more reliable (if you could point me in the right direction)? Also, how much fabrication did you end up doing?

This will answer everything so we don't thread hijack lol
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=728172

EverydayGetaway

04-05-2011, 10:47 PM

no not at all, if your goin for a low budget eaton build, all you need is a cheap intercooler and pipeing from ebay and a bov with fittings and clamps such as this for $139, in some cases you wouldnt even need the intercooler if your running 0,5bar or lower

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/UNIVERSAL-FMIC-TURBO-INTERCOOLER-2-5-PIPING-KIT-BOV-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5641d61761QQitemZ37047 1737185QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries
and a extra belt tensoner and belt and pully for cheap maby 50$ at the most?

and if ur handy with basic metal work and have access to a welder you can make the fitting to the botom of the s/c with a flat peice of steel with a 2.5 or 3" pipe fitting in the middle
then just relocate your power steering fluid resivior to make room for the s/c , make a small 4 leg platform right above the alternator theres plenty of places and different ways to mount this bracket, and is even more easy to mount in the place of the ac compressor if you dont mind doin away with it

total cost can be done for 400-500$ theres a few small things i havent listed ull need but for the price and able to get 0,5 to 1,2bar its about the cheapest hp gain for the price no need for forged internals alot of prople say the m50 block is good for 9psi

This project i would suggest for the Handy DIY people

Come again? If you're going to use a twin screw or roots SC you WILL need to construct a new intake manifold and you sure as shit won't need an intercooler or a BOV. Please elaborate...

As for the cheap centrifugal build you were talking about... I would totally buy one of those kits for my next car if you build to sell :D