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freeflyr
12-21-2010, 04:25 PM
Alright, here's one to make you think:

Got in the car ('98 328is) this morning, started it and let it run for a minute or so (outside temp ~0 degrees F) before leaving. Drove about 2 miles, came to a stop sign. All was normal until this point. Pulling away from the stop sign, the car began making very little power, check engine light on, lots of white smoke. Immediately pulled over and the engine stopped. First thought was head gasket, so I went and smelled the exhaust. No coolant smell, but rather very hot burned oil kind of odour. Popped the hood, found no major oil or coolant leaks, tried running the car again. Extremely low idle speed, very rough running, etc... I pulled the dipstick to check for coolant in the oil, and when I pulled it, oil began to shoot out of the dipstick tube. Not boiling, as some got on my hand, and was not that hot. The sound it made seem more like air was pushing oil out. At this point I'm pretty convinced I've blown a piston ring. I call for a tow and while I'm waiting, I decide for some odd reason to try running it and pulling the dipstick again. This is where it gets weird...

The car idles perfectly. No vibration, normal idle speed, check engine light has gone off, and no oil out the dipstick. As I'm so close to home, I decide to limp it back and regroup. I obviously babied the car for the whole drive, but it seemed to run just as normal and make normal power. It burned white/blue for most of the drive, but it decreased the more I drove, until the exhaust was perfectly normal by the time I was 1/4 mile from home.

Any ideas? The oil being pushed out of the dipstick tube would lead me to believe there was (at least for a while) increased crankcase pressure. Maybe a frozen up PCV valve that had time to thaw with the engine heat while waiting for the tow? Only question if that is the case is what is oil doing getting in to the cylinders to be burned? I can't see the crankcase pressure being high enough to push oil backwards across the piston rings and into the cylinders...

Edited to add: Just did some more reading and found this may be a common enough problem and oil was flooding into the intake... Any thoughts?

BMW&PorscheDude
12-22-2010, 01:53 PM
Check your coolant level. You might have a blown HG that is putting coolant into your oil. Does the oil on the dipstick look milky or do you see any little water droplets?

And look at your oil fill cap... any milky film or water droplets on the inside of the cap?

medic1dl
12-22-2010, 02:56 PM
PCV valve might be blocked and is pressurizing the block. This is why oil was pushed out of the dipstick. After the pressure was relieved, the engine ran fine.

ChuckDizzle
12-22-2010, 03:30 PM
white smoke I believe indicates coolant being burned off. Might have a HG leak.

contor
12-22-2010, 03:33 PM
+1 to medic1dl

thedude60126
12-22-2010, 05:13 PM
check and see what codes are being thrown?

freeflyr
12-22-2010, 05:22 PM
My first thought was coolant as well, as I've blown a HG in a different car. Smelled the exhaust, definitely not coolant. That was also the reason I pulled the dipstick, to check for coolant in the oil, which is when oil spewed out of it.

Did some more reading/phone calling and found that my hypothesis was right. The PCV (or as BMW calls it, the "Pressure Regulating Valve" was frozen and caused the problem. In case anyone runs into this problem, be aware that BMW issued a TSB about 3 years ago regarding this problem. The TSB states that depending on which position the valve sticks in it can either cause rough running and engine stall, and increased crankcase pressure, even to the point where the oil cap will blow off or the valve cover will crack, and oil to be routed into the intake plenum, in extreme cases enough to cause hydro lock and major internal damage. Their remedy? Install a cold weather PRV kit that they supply. The only problem is that they decided it anything 1998 and prior wasn't worth bothering to build the new valve/kit for! Below is BMW Canada's recommendation:


"I called them asking for further details about the pressure regulating valve, and they said you don't need to buy a new pressure regulating valve because there is no updated part so it'll do the samething. There is no way to prevent this from happening in the future until they release an updated pressure regulating valve, however to solve your problem right now you have one of two options on how to fix it. You would have to clean the regulating valve so there is no moisture in it, or while the engine is hot do an oil change and that should fix your problem."