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caligreen

11-26-2003, 03:09 AM

i read an article in motortrend about the next M5 that left me wondering. has anyone heard any news on the next M5...from a reliable source?

Daved

11-26-2003, 10:40 AM

There're lots of threads on the new M5, http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/search.gif

SoonerE39

11-26-2003, 10:59 AM

Not supposed to be out untill its a 2005 model. Possibly late in 2004.

///MEric

11-26-2003, 11:18 AM

It will have 493 hp and should do 60 in 4.3 there are rumers of a m5 csl with 550 hp

SoonerE39

11-26-2003, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by ///MEric
It will have 493 hp and should do 60 in 4.3 there are rumers of a m5 csl with 550 hp
:buttrock Ohh Yeeaaaa!!

///MEric

11-26-2003, 01:32 PM

It will be show in in either detriot or geneva

ken_vs_ryu

11-26-2003, 01:49 PM

wtf?! an m5 csl? just make one ass kicking m5 please!:complain

oh and better not make it smg only.

///MEric

11-26-2003, 06:08 PM

thats only a rumor i found some new pics for you guys

///MEric

11-26-2003, 06:11 PM

///MEric

11-26-2003, 06:13 PM

you guys in cali should know what it will look like

///MEric

11-26-2003, 06:17 PM

And the pic you all want

///MEric

11-26-2003, 06:34 PM

There is also news of bmw considering to make an m5 wagon to compete with the ones form audi and mb

eric77

11-26-2003, 08:16 PM

where did you guys here it was coming out in late 04? For some reason i thought i had heard late 05 and even 06.

///MEric

11-26-2003, 10:15 PM

first it was belived that it would debut in detriot but then it was said possibly by someone from bmw (i dont remeber) that it will be debut in geneva adn the dealers in the us will get them in early 2004 or possibly in spring

Brent_Vino

11-26-2003, 11:09 PM

again...... anything under 500hp/500tq will be a failure....:(

toddman35

11-26-2003, 11:21 PM

I don't see bmw making a m5 csl, unless its renamed. Anything under 500/500 would be a failure in my book too. Consumers are looking at numbers right now IMO, and with new things coming from MB and Audi, I think the M5 is going to be playing catchup. We'll see though.

arpecker

11-27-2003, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by ///MEric
And the pic you all want
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IMO its ugly.

Remake the e34 M5 with a few retro cues here and there and drop a v10 monster in it please. Any takers?

nydog

11-27-2003, 02:28 AM

i like those wheels. car itself doesnt look bad either

JedzE36/5

11-27-2003, 02:32 AM

i think the car looks mean!

rupes001

11-27-2003, 02:35 AM

I read that it will be unveiled at Geneva.

RastaMan530

11-27-2003, 03:24 AM

MB is rumored to be coming out with a 700+TQ monster soon... I don't remember the HP #'s, but i'm guessing 630+? Looks like the M5 will forever be playing catchup... E55 AMG 476HP/512TQ (or is it 521TQ) Regardless that's some tough competition, especially for something that's a step backwards in terms of design... Drop the V10 in the current M5 body, lower compression and add boost...

caligreen

11-27-2003, 03:27 AM

A subaru salesman (who just happens to own a bmw) said the plain wrx will beat the next M5. I laughed in his face

Dnz

11-27-2003, 03:48 AM

If all we want is HP then why not just buy the BMW F1 CAR?

Making power so ridiculously high really doesnt have THAT MUCH of a point anymore. Plus its gonna drive prices up to retarded levels. If you want all this power, custum build a bmw or get it modded...

///MEric

11-27-2003, 03:49 AM

an m car with boost never gonna happen from the factory. The engine in the e60 m5 is pure f1 tech:D never gonna come boosted from the factory

DiScoTeknix

11-27-2003, 04:13 AM

I wonder what it will sound like? Will it have that high compression scream the F1 cars do?

rupes001

11-27-2003, 04:24 AM

caligreen

11-27-2003, 04:48 PM

I'll take an M5 and an M16

Dnz

11-27-2003, 07:04 PM

Ill take whichever one i can afford in 10 years time hahahah

eric77

11-28-2003, 12:27 AM

This forum has a ton of info and pics on the new m5. This link has some spy spics and a video i cant figure out how to work. http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=33556

eric77

11-28-2003, 12:30 AM

"engineers have lifted the lid on the new M5 - and it looks like BMW has gone power mad. Exclusive pictures in the current issue of Auto Express magazine show early reports that the V8 unit from the last version would be dropped in favour of a V10 are true, and the result is a 493bhp supercar-chaser that will be racing up alongside Mercedes' E55 AMG by the end of next year.

Thanks to the 5.0-litre engine, the M5's power output has increased by 93bhp, while torque is up 10 per cent to a huge 550Nm. Unlike on rivals from Mercedes, Audi and Jaguar, the firm has shunned the use of turbo or superchargers in favour of the smooth delivery of a normally aspirated unit. Performance is still expected to be blistering, with 0-62mph covered in 4.5 seconds :) and a limited 155mph top speed.

Power will be fed through a revised version of the M3's six-ratio SMG gearbox, but some other hi-tech aids may be left on the options list. A traction-control system will be fitted, along with the Dynamic Drive suspension set-up, but the German firm's new Active Steering could be frowned upon by buyers who want a more raw experience. The car will be officially revealed in the metal for the first time at the Detroit Motor Show in January, with production starting next autumn.

For those who want even more performance, a lightweight CSL version set to produce 542bhp is also in the pipeline. After the M5 project has been finished, BMW's motorsport division will turn its hand to the next M3. As with its 5-Series stablemate, this will get more cylinders, with the straight-six being replaced by a potent V8 :buttrock :buttrock :buttrock when the newcomer goes on sale in 2006. "

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/?news/ae_news_story.php?id=41099

Dr_Bake

11-28-2003, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by eric77
"engineers have lifted the lid on the new M5 - and it looks like BMW has gone power mad. Exclusive pictures in the current issue of Auto Express magazine show early reports that the V8 unit from the last version would be dropped in favour of a V10 are true, and the result is a 493bhp supercar-chaser that will be racing up alongside Mercedes' E55 AMG by the end of next year.

Thanks to the 5.0-litre engine, the M5's power output has increased by 93bhp, while torque is up 10 per cent to a huge 550Nm. Unlike on rivals from Mercedes, Audi and Jaguar, the firm has shunned the use of turbo or superchargers in favour of the smooth delivery of a normally aspirated unit. Performance is still expected to be blistering, with 0-62mph covered in 4.5 seconds :) and a limited 155mph top speed.

Power will be fed through a revised version of the M3's six-ratio SMG gearbox, but some other hi-tech aids may be left on the options list. A traction-control system will be fitted, along with the Dynamic Drive suspension set-up, but the German firm's new Active Steering could be frowned upon by buyers who want a more raw experience. The car will be officially revealed in the metal for the first time at the Detroit Motor Show in January, with production starting next autumn.

For those who want even more performance, a lightweight CSL version set to produce 542bhp is also in the pipeline. After the M5 project has been finished, BMW's motorsport division will turn its hand to the next M3. As with its 5-Series stablemate, this will get more cylinders, with the straight-six being replaced by a potent V8 :buttrock :buttrock :buttrock when the newcomer goes on sale in 2006. "

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/?news/ae_news_story.php?id=41099

I think they should make the M5 more like a csl, standard. 542 HP in a chassis that's already lighter than the E39 would be awesome. Furthermore, I don't think putting a V8 in the 3 series would be a good idea. I think 6 cylinders would keep it light and balanced. It seems like the 3er's get bigger and bigger. Just my observation.:az:

rupes001

11-28-2003, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by Dr_Bake
It seems like the 3er's get bigger and bigger. Just my observation.:az:

I agree. Bigger and heavier. If the new 3 series is lighter than the E46 that would be very impressive!

Heckler&Koch

11-28-2003, 02:33 AM

Guys, I heard that the I-6s are steel and the V-8s weigh the same, is this true?

Dnz

11-28-2003, 03:04 AM

o the M3 is gonna no longer be a straight six..

hmmm

M3 wont sound the same..

eric77

11-28-2003, 03:05 AM

If they can make a v8 m3 that is just as heavy as the current I-6 wouldnt that just mean a smoother ride as far as engine goes cuz u have more cylinders firing. and obviously a lot more power.

99blackbird

11-28-2003, 03:22 AM

The new 5 series looks like a Pontiac.

Dnz

11-28-2003, 04:10 AM

but its essentially changing the heart of the M3!

M3 is famous for being a straight six..

Youre like messing with its SOUL

I say stay with six, and let the other M's handle more cylinders..

yotone

11-28-2003, 05:01 AM

Originally posted by Dnz
but its essentially changing the heart of the M3!

M3 is famous for being a straight six..

Youre like messing with its SOUL

I say stay with six, and let the other M's handle more cylinders..

other say 4 clyinder M3 was the most famous.
id welcome a V8 M3 and a V10 M3 because i know BMW will make a great handing, well balanced sports car.

Dnz

11-28-2003, 08:21 PM

but why does the M3 have to have the V 8 or V 10..?

Arent they loosing some of the range of cylinders that their sportscars have in a way.. I mean theres a limit to how many cylinders youre going to use max.. so i mean with the M3,4,5,6 they should be able to cover them..!

Heckler&Koch

11-28-2003, 08:56 PM

'Cause the NA straight six isnt enough power. I am all for a V8 M3/4.

PrinceE30

11-28-2003, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by RastaMan530
MB is rumored to be coming out with a 700+TQ monster soon... I don't remember the HP #'s, but i'm guessing 630+? Looks like the M5 will forever be playing catchup... E55 AMG 476HP/512TQ (or is it 521TQ) Regardless that's some tough competition, especially for something that's a step backwards in terms of design... Drop the V10 in the current M5 body, lower compression and add boost...

FI is for weenies...

BMW is making a drivers car. Instantanious throttle response, quick revving, quick steering, SMG. Mercedes uses their torque in a very weak way. It's very "smooth" and you don't get the same feedback as you do in the sport BMWs. It's like, driving a jaguar. Sure, they are fast, but they aren't any fun to drive.

Anways, a V10 people. 8300rpm redline. What the hell do you want here. There's only so much HP you can ever use. And most people who buy any of the cars stated in this thread will never go above 90 (unless in Germany).

I think it goes like this...if you can actually afford an M5, then complain about it. If you can't, what do you care? You're going to get something pre-owned and tune it yourself.

BMW may not head the HP wars, but wait till they take the new M5 around the 'ring. Then compare it to the MB and Audi equivilants and watch them come up wanting...

-prince

///MEric

11-28-2003, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by Dnz
but its essentially changing the heart of the M3!

M3 is famous for being a straight six..

Youre like messing with its SOUL

I say stay with six, and let the other M's handle more cylinders..

Are we forgeting the e30 m3 :wave: i do belive it had an I4 not an I6

I think a v8 m3 will be great it will give the m3 the torque it has always been missing:D

Dnz

11-29-2003, 01:07 AM

price is definately also a factor.. Power is good. Being able to get it is also helpful!

///MEric

11-29-2003, 01:48 AM

My dad just went to the dealer to dicide if he wants one and put his diposite on one. Hes frist on the list i belive at our bimmer dealer:evil2 :D

///MEric

11-29-2003, 01:59 PM

ive just read from m5board.com that a source has confirmed a power increase to 550 hp

RLich8

11-29-2003, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by rupes001
I agree. Bigger and heavier. If the new 3 series is lighter than the E46 that would be very impressive!

It would also be impressive if BMW doesn't fuck up and they actually release an attractive new car.

Reminds me of the golden days...

The E39 & Before 5 series..
The E38 & Before 7 series..
The E36 Z3..
And all the classic Bimmers..

Ahh memories.....

salvia.D

11-29-2003, 11:59 PM

Those rims are hot on that black beast....i can only dream.