I NEED some Guidance..

[poppacal12]

Hello everyone...
This is my first post so please bare with me..
The story goes I bought a 95 M3 E36, and my brother missed a shift on the high way and BLEW my motor....So my car has been sitting for 4 years in my dads warehouse and I finally just bought a motor...
So this is where i need MAJOR help...I'm mechanically inclined but really don't know how to get some horsepower...
I am about to send my motor to get cleaned and bearings, all that good stuff....
so now I'm wanting to do this right the first time...I'm interested in either turbo or supercharger for the car...Now this is where i need your help.

But...Ive thought about just a stock rebuild with a cam..Let me know..
Thank You
PoppaCal12

Questions?
1. Are there any turbo kits?
2. What kind of a cams are there and where can i get one.
3. :help:help:help
4.What am i looking to spend...

[turbosporttsi]

Turbo kits: www.techniquetuning.com (http://www.techniquetuning.com) hands down.

Cams: Schricks are pretty mild and streetable, while providing a small gain. Anything that produces any real power is usually dead in the lower half of the rev range. More of a race setup versus street. Any of the performance companies can hook you up with something nice. BimmerWorld, Turner Motorsport, VAC Motorsports, Evosport, etc.

Cams are usually around 1-2k, plus software (250-400), 24 lb/hr injectors (100-250), 3.5" mass airflow sensor (150-400, depending on which. 540i/Euro/Porsche 996TT).... of course, you will want an intake, which, for these cars, are priced insanely high. I'd shop for a used one.

[RRSperry]

Learn to drive a stick shift?

As for your other question, what do you really want to do with this car?

Any force induction is stupidly expensive, and then you break stuff.

Schrick or Sunbelt cams don't work well with FI. (there are lots of reasons, but the big one is valve overlap) While overlap is good for na where flow velocities help with cylinder scavenging and filling, it's counter productive in FI applications. Why have the exhaust valve open when the compressor is trying to fill the cylinder?

You are better off defining your objective and goals, then go from there.

[turbosporttsi]

Yes, your price range and the powerband characteristics you want definitely need to be identified. These will be the determining factors in your build.

Are you just looking for a fun street car?

[RRSperry]

Cost? boy did you buy the wrong car...lol

Intake, chip, 3.5"HFM, $900, you' should put down about 230 Rwhp.

Cams, injectors, new chip, ($1200 cams, $250 injectors, $250 tune)=$1700, about 245Hp.

Not spend for the first two, but a stage one supercharger from Active Auto, $4000, make 300ish Hp.

Oh oh,,, Now you've done it... Next up, tires, clutch, brakes, oops that 3.38 or 3.46 diff is looking pretty sweet...

Oh snap, that stage 2 upgrade is calling my name. $2500 later... 370rwhp...

Damn, that Aquamist, Snow, (pick your own company name) Meth/water injection, looks killer. $$

New tires and wheels $$$

Uh oh new custom tune. $$

Subframe reinforcment... Suspension overhaul. $$$

DAMN want more power... Ditch supercharger, get stage 2 Turbo from Technique Tuning. $9k 420rwhp

New tires$$

Hell's bells,,, gt35r turbo, and tuning $$$ 500hp...

It's a sickness... Speed is a question of money, how fast do you want to go?

[pbonsalb]

You can find used parts to save money and assemble your own kit. For your OBD1 car, TRM sells tunes for various mods, as does AA and TT.

For new turbo kits, try TRM or TT. Expect to spend $6000 to $8000 for everything new and around half that if you can find a used one. There are also centrifugal supercharger kits from AA and RMS and VFE, but since they make only a few psi in the midrange, the torque is less than exciting. There are more used centrifugal supercharger kits for sale than used turbo kits, in part because more have been sold but also because people get bored and convert to a turbo. Expect to pay $4000 to $8000 or about half that used. Twinscrew supercharger make full boost at 2500 rpm so the car has a V8 like power curve. Peak torque is no better than a centrifugal and worse than a turbo, but the torque before peak is way better than a centrifugal or turbo. People really like the early boost. Few kits were made, ESS Tuning is still making them. Expect to spend $8000 to $12000 new and about half that used if you can find one.

For naturally aspirated mods, try Bimmerworld, which sells both Shrick and the more radical Sunbelt cam kits. Turner also sells Shrick based kits. For new parts sufficient to make around 265 rwhp, expect to spend about $3500. Used parts would be less and I think you would spend more than half new. Used kits are rare so you will be piecing together parts (cams, cold air intake, headers, track pipe, rear exhaust, HFM, injectors, tune). Shricks are very mild cams and work really well with centrifugal superchargers, so you could do all the NA mods and add a centrifugal later -- or the other way around (the centrifugal power becomes boring so owners are always trying to find ways to add more power). Some people use the exhaust Shrick with a twinscrew supercharger. Few people use Shricks with turbos. Very, very few use Sunbelts with any kind of forced induction. This could help you in planning ahead.

I went with a centrifugal, added all the NA mods like Shricks, and then converted to a turbo. If you are a real power junky, I'd recommend starting with a turbo.

[questURE36]

Cost? boy did you buy the wrong car...lol

Intake, chip, 3.5"HFM, $900, you' should put down about 230 Rwhp.

Cams, injectors, new chip, ($1200 cams, $250 injectors, $250 tune)=$1700, about 245Hp.

Not spend for the first two, but a stage one supercharger from Active Auto, $4000, make 300ish Hp.

Oh oh,,, Now you've done it... Next up, tires, clutch, brakes, oops that 3.38 or 3.46 diff is looking pretty sweet...

Oh snap, that stage 2 upgrade is calling my name. $2500 later... 370rwhp...

Damn, that Aquamist, Snow, (pick your own company name) Meth/water injection, looks killer. $$

New tires and wheels $$$

Uh oh new custom tune. $$

Subframe reinforcment... Suspension overhaul. $$$

DAMN want more power... Ditch supercharger, get stage 2 Turbo from Technique Tuning. $9k 420rwhp

New tires$$

Hell's bells,,, gt35r turbo, and tuning $$$ 500hp...

It's a sickness... Speed is a question of money, how fast do you want to go?

How true! What will you be using the car for? If you really love the E36 and want the H then all you have to do is decide which method of achieving it is best for you and accept that it is really expensive and unending. What is a lot of HP to you? If you drive a Prius, then stock HP may be great! Example: for me, my 95' has cams, intake, larger injectors, chip and headers and is just fine for what I am using it for. I still need a new clutch...lol There are so many options to choose from! Just try not to overlap your expenses too much

[langley]

That sucks that your brother blew up your car. Did he pay for any of the new engine? First make sure your maintenance is squared away (cooling, suspension, ect). How much monies are you working with here?

[poppacal12]

I appreciate everyones input so thank you all.
no my brother didnt pay for the motor i bought a used motor from wisconsin for $2000 and it had 124xxx miles. I have it completely torn apart and have already sent the block out to get remachined, bearings, piston rings, and hone. I have a friend of mine helping me with the car but he is used to working on american muscle so if anyone is in MI Detroit metro area and could help please let me know. I have close to $10000 into the car already and have about $5000 to work with for now. I want more than what the stock motor has to offer and im pretty sure i want to go turbo seeing that it would be the best outcome and investment. so please if anyone has advice to move forward from here i would appreciate it. thanks again

[RRSperry]

Look, if you have the motor apart now, and plan on doing a turbo, you are going to either do a lot of work twice, or you could make a low compression NA motor now and be set for when you go turbo.

If you rebuild that engine with the stock pistons and compression ratio, you are going to limit yourself to about 9 psi.

Using a .140 head gasket does work, but it isn't the correct way. Lower compression pistons are. So you can do pistons now, (and have a crappy NA engine), or do the head gasket again later.

[poppacal12]

what are the best low compression pistons for the money?

[RRSperry]

Ask in the FI section.