n2o?

[AlmostStock]

hey all, thinking about putting her on the bottle- cautions and concerns? im 540i alusil with about 120k on the eng

[mtg729]

Do it. 250 wet shot direct port system. Then report back if you beat Toretto or not.

[jbondbmw]

Then report back if you beat Toretto or not.

http://insidetech.monster.com/nfs/insidetech/photos/0001/5607/LMAO.JPG?1208375386

[AlmostStock]

250 shot o.O not sure if i'll be able to handle all that at first =] the zex kit for v8 engines is enticing, but im thinking im going to have to go with a single fogger set up at first. i'm thinking that the best place to put a single fogger would be in the airbox aft the filter for optimal maf corrections and atomization as long as the fuel exposure wouldnt kill the maf. less chance of heat spots i'd infer too as the air would mix and charge temperature would stabilize- likely allowwing for more complete combustion and happy ho2s's

edit: lol i just got the 'tfaf' reference.

[TouringDan]

Why not? The worst that could happen is you blow the heads through the hood..

[Sam Son]

I see no way in which this could end badly..

[AlmostStock]

has anyone out there gone this route? input would be nice

[Sam Son]

Yes...search for threads by users BrianSpilner and DomToretto...Im pretty sure both have gone this route and Dom is getting like 900hp to the wheels

[motohunter4]

900hp? that's just disgusting :wow

[E34nication]

Yes...search for threads by users BrianWalker and DomToretto...Im pretty sure both have gone this route and Dom is getting like 900hp to the wheels

Yea... but those guys have like $100k under the hood.

[Binjammin]

Why not? The best that could happen is you blow the heads through the hood..

ftfy


Do it. 250 wet shot direct port system. Then report back if you beat Toretto or not.

He lives his lift 1/4mi at a time. Maybe his nos setup will allow his 540 to run 10.4 at Lebanon Valley.

OP, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, run a wet setup through your maf. Pretty please?

With a cherry on top?

[russiankid]

Jokes aside I've seen a few videos of E39 540's on 100 shot, I personally wouldn't do it.

[googone20]

You will have to up your game. These guys are running spoon engines!!

[xatlas0]

Yea... but those guys have like $100k under the hood.

That's because they overnighted parts from Japan. After all, that sort of thing will go for a premium before Race Wars.

[JesterMX6]

if you take the time and do it correctly you'll be fine. problem with nitrous is most people slap it on, fiddle with timing, and start spraying. it takes tuning just like every other method of forced induction.

idk the layout of the v8 motors personally because i think they're silly. but i know for a fact you don't want to spray through the MAF

i almost sprayed my 535i this year but decided i'd enjoy a quick spooling turbo better so i spent the nitrous money on gathering parts for the turbo build.

my plan was a 2 stage direct port injection system and the cost of the system was another factor in why i went the turbo route.

[jbondbmw]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2363/2123719132_ba88082822_o.jpg

[JesterMX6]

i don't understand why everyone hates all over nitrous so much.


the OP just needs to do some better research, thats all.

[E34nication]

nothing wrong with nitrous... personally, I wouldn't go over a 75... and with that little spray might as well go the dry route.

[E34play]

Nitrous can be fine if used properly. Like Jester said, the problem is from most people using it improperly, thinking simply throwing it on and pushing a button is all you need. If anything, I think the headgaskets on the m60 would be your weak point, if we had MLS gaskets you'd be set.

[DUDMD]

This video here shows a good result for the N2O setup on a 540i(e39)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RFLg8Uraic&p=81C9776236A63F75&playnext=1&index=9

[JesterMX6]

all that tells me is that they're going way too fast. :laugh

[DUDMD]

The need is accelarating pretty quick from 100-145ish mph, no stock M62 does that.

[JesterMX6]

for all you know they're going downhill

[E34ührer]

A proper n2o set up can really kick ass. That said, IMO, a 3500lb german 4 door is the last car I would ever put it on. 'Specially a stock M60 car.

[lovinlyfe4dub]

DO IT DO IT !!!!!!!

And heres the same guy/car from the last video with out the bottle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RFLg8Uraic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDLApQB3fJk

If you play them both from 100mph at the same time he gets to 120mph without by the time he hits 140mph with nitros

[m60b30530i]

buy a fox body for the nos and keep the 540 as a daily. The guy who bought my 530i just blew that poor m60 running a 75 shot. :)

[dalex44]

I don't think saying havin or useing nos on ur e34 is worth blowing it up. Yeah there cheap but you work hard to maintain it and make it look good why risk blowing it up for some nos?

[E346]

At first I was going to do a quick write-up of a relatively safe and simple way to add a basic nitrous system to your engine, but then I was turned off by all the people ragging on you. But sir, after reading your intent to use the stock airbox as your point of entry I have come to the conclusion that you are a troll or lack the basic mental faculty to undertake a plug and play install. I apologize.

[lovinlyfe4dub]

At first I was going to do a quick write-up of a relatively safe and simple way to add a basic nitrous system to your engine, but then I was turned off by all the people ragging on you. But sir, after reading your intent to use the stock airbox as your point of entry I have come to the conclusion that you are a troll or lack the basic mental faculty to undertake a plug and play install. I apologize.
Thats kinda harsh dont you think.Why dont you enlighten almost stock?Or do you be trollin?

[bfp9]

At first I was going to do a quick write-up of a relatively safe and simple way to add a basic nitrous system to your engine, but then I was turned off by all the people ragging on you. But sir, after reading your intent to use the stock airbox as your point of entry I have come to the conclusion that you are a troll or lack the basic mental faculty to undertake a plug and play install. I apologize.

Supreme be back. HES BACK!!!!!!!!

[snake109]

I wouldnt go with a dry shot thats for sure, if done right you wont have anything to worry about if you keep it on the safe side

[Stir Fry A Lot]

Supreme be back. HES BACK!!!!!!!!

:rofl His next SN should be Captain Obvious.

[mtg729]

At first I was going to do a quick write-up of a relatively safe and simple way to add a basic nitrous system to your engine, but then I was turned off by all the people ragging on you. But sir, after reading your intent to use the stock airbox as your point of entry I have come to the conclusion that you are a troll or lack the basic mental faculty:lol to undertake a plug and play install. I apologize.

If this isn't the pot calling the kettle black. :rofl

[Stir Fry A Lot]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c334/skindoobie/Porshe-1.jpg

[Steve547i]

:rofl Max.

i searched his posts. im only halfway convinced its him. A few signs, but nothing definitive yet. i wont specifically call him out or harass him this time as its directly a disruption, but ill stalk and be in contact with the mods.

AlmostStock - Good luck. im in for pics of a destroyed m60. Which do you think will happen first? destroyed heads or your cracked oil pan? i hope that carbon fiber seat gives you something to munch on when you are hungry for some rice.

[Sam Son]

yeah not 100% sure either but Ive been thinking it might be him

[Stir Fry A Lot]

:rofl Max.

i searched his posts. im only halfway convinced its him. A few signs, but nothing definitive yet. i wont specifically call him out or harass him this time as its directly a disruption, but ill stalk and be in contact with the mods.

AlmostStock - Good luck. im in for pics of a destroyed m60. Which do you think will happen first? destroyed heads or your cracked oil pan? i hope that carbon fiber seat gives you something to munch on when you are hungry for some rice.

True. Back to the regularly scheduled flaming folks.

[lovinlyfe4dub]

buy a fox body for the nos and keep the 540 as a daily. The guy who bought my 530i just blew that poor m60 running a 75 shot. :)Really only a 75shot?What failed?I was always under the impression these were strong motors.

[E34nication]

buy a fox body for the nos and keep the 540 as a daily. The guy who bought my 530i just blew that poor m60 running a 75 shot. :)

There are 2 things that suck about that:

1) Spraying to run a 15 second quarter mile.
2) Blowing your motor trying to run a 15 second quarter mile.

[T444E]

You can try it but if your OBC reads like this:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4011/4350772539_55ff96415a_o.jpg

Me and the mad scientist are gonna have to tear the motor apart to fix the rings you fried

[lovinlyfe4dub]

You can try it but if your OBC reads like this:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4011/4350772539_55ff96415a_o.jpg

Me and the mad scientist are gonna have to tear the motor apart to fix the rings you fried

That made me LMAO :rofl:

[BruinBimmer]

Lawl at the people who don't get the F&F jokes...

[Binjammin]

Oh, please, for the love of god run a wet system through your maf. I got $20 that says he blows the intake and hood clean off the car.

[BruinBimmer]

Oh, please, for the love of god run a wet system through your maf. I got $20 that says he blows the intake and hood clean off the car.

Maybe it would look something like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8c0tDzyKlA

[Stir Fry A Lot]

maybe it would look something like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8c0tdzykla

lmfao!

[Binjammin]

Maybe it would look something like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8c0tDzyKlA


While I would sincerely hope for that, search for member PEI330CI and see what happened to him when his nitrous machine let go, continuing to dump nitrous and fuel into the fire. He's lucky to be alive, and has tons of experience and runs building and racing nitrous cars, and still had a nasty turn of luck.

Think OP's on the same level?

[E34nication]

While I would sincerely hope for that, search for member PEI330CI and see what happened to him when his nitrous machine let go, continuing to dump nitrous and fuel into the fire. He's lucky to be alive, and has tons of experience and runs building and racing nitrous cars, and still had a nasty turn of luck.

Think OP's on the same level?

I've read so many of that guy's threads yet i missed the catastrophic failure thread. Jesus thank god he had a fire suit on.

[Binjammin]

I've read so many of that guy's threads yet i missed the catastrophic failure thread. Jesus thank god he had a fire suit on.

Yeah man, did you see the pics of the car after? Now picture genius that doesn't know you don't plumb a wet system through your maf giving it a shot.

[AlmostStock]

not really sure why i continue to ask you guys questions. figured i may have been able to get some useful input. in hindsight although it made sense to me that the airbox would work save for if the fuel would destroy the maf, the fuel definetly wouldnt do the maf any good. in any case- thanks for the insight that the headgaskets are going to be the weakest link. if it does indeed come to be, i'll dyno live tune from a 35 shot to the final [hopeful] 100 shot. im thinking that the best place to inject is going to be right behind the maf for the turbulence created by the ASM plate and the 90* bend in the plumbing. i'll create a build thread if i dont have enough nitrous to blow up the whole block.

also: n***a you aint win! =]

[E34nication]

Yeah man, did you see the pics of the car after? Now picture genius that doesn't know you don't plumb a wet system through your maf giving it a shot.

I did. Pretty amazing.

[Binjammin]

not really sure why i continue to ask you guys questions. figured i may have been able to get some useful input. in hindsight although it made sense to me that the airbox would work save for if the fuel would destroy the maf, the fuel definetly wouldnt do the maf any good. in any case- thanks for the insight that the headgaskets are going to be the weakest link. if it does indeed come to be, i'll dyno live tune from a 35 shot to the final [hopeful] 100 shot. im thinking that the best place to inject is going to be right behind the maf for the turbulence created by the ASM plate and the 90* bend in the plumbing. i'll create a build thread if i dont have enough nitrous to blow up the whole block.

also: nigga you aint win! =]


This whole thread is indicative of everything you've posted here and your level of experience. The fact is that you don't run fuel through your maf not because it will destroy your maf, but because you'll never get accurate readings. You may also destroy the maf, that would make for added lulz, but a simple googling would have informed you of all of that. The fact that there's a subforum specifically for FI + Nitrous and you posted in the e34 sub instead means you're posturing to show off, not actually learn anything. Asking a bunch of family sedan owners what they think about you running nitrous on your car? When we all know from your previous posts you're inexperienced at best? You haven't even picked up on how to LEARN to learn.

[535ipower]

If your going to the nitrous route like im planning for the m60 make sure to get a air fuel ratio gauge, air fuel lean shut down switch, a fuel pressure safety switch. Make sure you go the wet kit route because you can make sure your always running just a tad bit richer. You would also run the fogger not at the air box but about 6" from the throttle body after the maf.

[Steve547i]

If your going to the nitrous route like im planning for the m60 make sure to get a air fuel ratio gauge, air fuel lean shut down switch, a fuel pressure safety switch. Make sure you go the wet kit route because you can make sure your always running just a tad bit richer. You would also run the fogger not at the air box but about 6" from the throttle body after the maf.
in for pictures of your blown up m60 as well

[E346]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c334/skindoobie/Porshe-1.jpg


Ha-ha, is that an old poster that had this user name before me? I was not trying to troll him sir, I honestly do not believe he is capable of undertaking a basic nitrous installation if he does not understand even the lowest level of how plumbing such a system works.

[535ipower]

Unlike the op i have my nitrous experience, Dyno tune in hudson MA helped me out when i had a 125hp wet shot on my 5.0 if you know what you are doing and what you are looking for theres little to worry about. Ignorance is the main point engines will melt down pistons blow pistons, nitrous backfires all can be avoided with doing a lot of research and knowing what you are doing. Most people you see that have a nitrous back fire, a blown engine is because the fact that they buy a kit and rely solely on the full throttle switch which will enable the nitrous to go on at only full throttle. They never take into account the bottle pressure, air in the lines, a failing solenoid. With what we have available today in the nitrous market engine damage can be almost cancelled out. I like how you say your in for pics of my blown up m60 as well, your ignorance on how nitrous works and how the know how of tuning a system amazes me jumping to conclusions.

Building my nitrous kit on my 5.0 i knew the dangers specially at 171k miles on stock motor and t5 tranny. But doing a lot of research and adding supporting mods i was able to go till 243,000 thousand before i sold the car spraying it at least twice a week and many passes at new england drag way. I still see the car it now has 272k miles and it's a daily driver to my ex-girls dad travelling 1hr to lowell everyday, and it still pulls like a freight train.

Op don't expect to buy a $650 kit and be all set, running a decent system without blowing something up can cost you in upwards of $1,200.00. Give a shout to the guys at dyno tune nitrous in hudson, ma and they will help you out a bit more.

[Steve547i]

[QUOTE=535ipower;20111538 I like how you say your in for pics of my blown up m60 as well, your ignorance on how nitrous works and how the know how of tuning a system amazes me jumping to conclusions.

[/QUOTE]
You were the guy who put headers on a saturn wagon. I said i was in for pics because you have bad ideas.

[Stir Fry A Lot]

Ha-ha, is that an old poster that had this user name before me? I was not trying to troll him sir, I honestly do not believe he is capable of undertaking a basic nitrous installation if he does not understand even the lowest level of how plumbing such a system works.

Lol, my apologies if you are not who we were assuming you were. We have a resident troll who's been banned about six times now who's from New York and owns a 540. He was also discovered to be a malware programmer who writes viruses that direct people to bestiality sites so you can see why we are a bit leery of newcomers that fit his pattern somewhat.

[535ipower]

You were the guy who put headers on a saturn wagon. I said i was in for pics because you have bad ideas.

Another example of ignorance if you don't know saturns are very capable cars when it comes to auto crossing and that was my plan for the saturn. Putting headers, a bored out tb, full exhaust is besides the point. Bad ideas are going to the exhaust shop and ask them put a big ole fart can on my car. Theres no point arguing here, I was just giving some insight to the topic. Back on topic.. OP do some research on nitrous and study it if your really serious about it.

[lovinlyfe4dub]

OP do some research on nitrous and study it if your really serious about it.
Sadly thats what he was doing here instead he got flamed :nono

[hammy35]

Lol, my apologies if you are not who we were assuming you were. We have a resident troll who's been banned about six times now who's from New York and owns a 540. He was also discovered to be a malware programmer who writes viruses that direct people to bestiality sites so you can see why we are a bit leery of newcomers that fit his pattern somewhat.

:lol Could tell that guy was an idiot, but wow. What thread did all that come out in?

What's the point of nitrous in a big 4 door german car? I've known a lot of guys that have run it on LS cars, but then you have the problem of actually putting the power down. Nevermind the grenaded drivetrains...

[Stir Fry A Lot]

Someone found out his real name and a Google search showed his name to be on a malware watchlist site along with the bestiality info.

[lovinlyfe4dub]

What's the point of nitrous in a big 4 door german car?

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p232/LovinLyfe4dub/clarkson-power.jpg

[E34nication]

What's the point of nitrous in a big 4 door german car?

In high school my buddy and I put a 150 wet shot on his 6 cyl grand cherokee. It was awesome.... for about 2.5 months then somehow a hole roughly the size of a quarter showed up somewhere it shouldn't have. It was fun as hell, though. Kid in my high school had a 95 NSX-T... the GC dominated it. Another kid had an automatic transmission C5... GC beat it. It was hilarious.

[dalex44]

In all you can't tell me putting a 15 year old plus german family sedan on a bottle and blowing away vettes wouldn't be funny. I mean I'm skeptical cause this is my only means of transportation but if your able to have thje reasources to do this then by all means good luck and there right if you do the system right and research it then you won't have a problem just don't cut corners

[Binjammin]

Make no mistake, I'm a fan of nitrous, all day long. I'm also a fan of idiots installing thing to make their cars explode. I'm NOT a fan of reading about said idiots burning alive, regardless of how stupid they are or how that fire may purify the genepool for the rest of us.

[lovinlyfe4dub]

Make no mistake, I'm a fan of nitrous, all day long. I'm also a fan of idiots installing thing to make their cars explode.Kinda like this guy :D http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/everyday-impreza-talk/101607-nos-fire-subaru-vs-mitsubishi-shootout-no-56k.html?pag= That kid was so crushed lol

[AlmostStock]

i dont expect to recieve respect on the internet =] i'll look elsewhere for some help on this one though. thanks for your input 535ipower. before i go about a nitrous setup on my own i would definetly enlist the help of people whove been there before me, just like someone whos never converted a normal air car to fi. again, only came here looking for input. also: almoststock is not a troll, just easily flammable

[RWDBandwagonder]

This video here shows a good result for the N2O setup on a 540i(e39)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RFLg8Uraic&p=81C9776236A63F75&playnext=1&index=9
i lol'd watching his MPG almost reach 15 when hes still on the gas at 140

[Binjammin]

i dont expect to recieve respect on the internet =] i'll look elsewhere for some help on this one though. thanks for your input 535ipower. before i go about a nitrous setup on my own i would definetly enlist the help of people whove been there before me, just like someone whos never converted a normal air car to fi. again, only came here looking for input. also: almoststock is not a troll, just easily flammable

You do realize that when people refer to a car as NA it means it's naturally aspirated, not "normal air". :confused

[E34ührer]

You do realize that when people refer to a car as NA it means it's naturally aspirated, not "normal air". :confused

I thought it was 'not adequate'
:dunno

[Stir Fry A Lot]

I always thought it meant 'nice ass'

[jbondbmw]

I always thought it meant 'nice ass'

Depends on who is driving. If it was my ex, then yes it does, haha.

[Binjammin]

Depends on who is driving. If it was my ex, then yes it does, haha.

Pics?

[JesterMX6]

naturally aspirated and not adequate are synonyms.

[jbondbmw]

Pics?

Sadly no, that was back in my college days.

[AlmostStock]

thats just what i learned it to be for shorthand, naturally aspitared is twice as long to type or say than normal air. please lets not have another argue about what words mean thread

[xatlas0]

If you want to do a nitrous system right, you need to understand how adding it will alter the behavior and performance of the overall engine system. That will require some reading on your part, and I mean more than just forums.

You sound like you need an overall idea of how engines function on a deeper, more quantifiable level than you currently have. I suggest your read several good intro books before you decide what to do:
Maximum Boost by Corky Bell (old, but still valid in many respects)
Engineering Fundamentals of Internal Combustion Engines by Pulkrabek (basic, but gives a decent understanding of how the components mesh and make a functioning system)

Reading those books will give you at least a fighting chance of creating a nitrous setup that won't cause you to or your engine to die in a self-made conflagration. Also, once you have read them, you will be able to look at the M60 and see where the bottlenecks are, in terms of performance, as well as predict your new power output based on mods. (like changing the cam timing, altering the compression ratio, adding nitrous, or messing with the engine maps)

I have seen good nitrous systems used in a variety of applications, but I have seen many, many more "spray and pray" setups, which usually result in dead engines. Truly understanding what you are changing by adding nitrous will let you make a safer, and better performing, system.

[m60b30530i]

Maximum Boost is a great book

[Steve547i]

thats just what i learned it to be for shorthand, naturally aspitared is twice as long to type or say than normal air. please lets not have another argue about what words mean thread
You sir, are an aspitared.

[attack eagle]

Sadly thats what he was doing here instead he got flamed :nono

no, I haven;t jumped on him with both feet yet. Neither has anyone else.

Poking fun is NOT flaming.


Dalex: get real.

[AlmostStock]

thanks for the insight all whove chimed- i misspell when i type fast, and more research will be done and enlistment of those experienced in trudging this road of nitrous fire will be added.

[5mall5nail5]

You sir, are an aspitared.

:rofl lovin' it

OP create more threads like this, it's comic relief!

[VacMan]

I always thought it meant 'nice ass'It does. Don't listen to Bin.

[Isaacus]

i dont expect to recieve respect on the internet =]

Well if you win tonight, you'll keep your car, and the respect. But I've gotta warn you: Amateurs don't use nitrous oxide. I've seen the way you drive. You've got a heavy foot. You'll blow yourself to pieces.

That said, if anything get a progressive kit so that you won't have missing pistons 2 seconds after you hit the switch the first time. I also agree on adding a cutoff for low fuel pressure. That'll save your engine before you know anything is even going wrong.

One of the reasons I like turbos is the boost doesn't just immediately hit. At least at lower rpm the boost gradually ramps up, so if there's a problem it doesn't go full blown instantly. If you're paying attention you can save it.

The smarter move of course is to have an aggressive knock detection system to stop the inaudible detonation before it becomes audible. You can get MSDs with boost retard and knock retard, though your stock motronic will have its own knock system as well. I'm pretty sure it richens things up first though.

[JesterMX6]

most knock detection controllers can be added to your factory knock sensing setup. people like us with the m30 have to get a full kit with sensors.