2012 335i

[iDoc]

Been driving Audi for some time. For some reason I never drove a BMW until 4 months ago. Now seriously hooked. Looking at leasing a 335i xdrive at the end of my current A6 lease which is up in august next year. Yes a year away, but.... Yes I might just have a slight problem with cars...,

That's a good thing to see how this new turbo works out, etc

Any news on if it will have an eshifter?
By august 2011 will the new f30 be out? Lots of conflicting info out there.

[Kernel Kurtz]

By august 2011 will the new f30 be out? Lots of conflicting info out there.

Anyone who says they know, is lying.

[The2011335i]

Been driving Audi for some time. For some reason I never drove a BMW until 4 months ago. Now seriously hooked. Looking at leasing a 335i xdrive at the end of my current A6 lease which is up in august next year. Yes a year away, but.... Yes I might just have a slight problem with cars...,

That's a good thing to see how this new turbo works out, etc

Any news on if it will have an eshifter?
By august 2011 will the new f30 be out? Lots of conflicting info out there.

It will, but it won't have the nice twin turbo V6 engine. They are sticking in the V6 in M3 removing the V8 and giving a 4 cylinder (and a 3 cylinder as well) to 3 series. This is all because of the emission regulations. Obviously they are not going to make a 150 hp 335i, it will be comparable. However, they got a lot of grief about 335i and how it's turbo and 300lb torque was so much for the money and how it was so close to M3. So they will probably kick the 335i down to where it belongs and that way they can sell the V6 in M3.

I think its an agreed fact that M3 won't be getting anywhere near that 414hp in the next version. They will probably kick it down to 380 or so which is reasonable with an advanced turbo V6. That being said, there is no way the 335i will keep whatever it has. So if I were you, I wouldn't wait a year for the 335i. If you google this, you will see things like "the beginning of the end" for the sports cars, especially the european ones. Now it's all about lighter, more efficient, cheaper.

By the way, I own a 2011 335i, ordered it from germany myself, for the exact reasons I outlined above, plus one more. You never EVER want to buy a new model BMW when it comes out. You want to wait at least 2-3 years before they fix all their problems. Until last year there were still problems with the fuel pumps and before that the iDrive problems. It's always good to buy (and I mean really buy-buy, not lease or buy-and-sell in 2 years) a BMW near the end of that body's life cycle.

I know, a very different point of view. But if you think about it. It makes sense.

[iDoc]

So they just introduce a N55 for the 335 and now the rumor is they are going to drop the 6 for a 4?!
Any news on the interior?

Might grab a 2011 too


2011335i, did you purchase in bergan county?

[alpha325i]

It will, but it won't have the nice twin turbo V6 engine. They are sticking in the V6 in M3 removing the V8 and giving a 4 cylinder (and a 3 cylinder as well) to 3 series.

Dude, what the hell are you talking about? :confused

[mryakan]

Since when did BMW have a V6 :confused. The2011335i, I don't usually like to call out members publicly, but the amount of misinformation and outright bad or faulty information you are posting here is just plain bad for the community and I feel obliged to bring attention to it. Please double check and triple check before posting. If you are not sure, do not post. We really don't need more FUD and BS.

[floydr]

...You never EVER want to buy a new model BMW when it comes out. You want to wait at least 2-3 years before they fix all their problems. Until last year there were still problems with the fuel pumps and before that the iDrive problems. It's always good to buy (and I mean really buy-buy, not lease or buy-and-sell in 2 years) a BMW near the end of that body's life cycle.

The only problem with that statement is that it's based upon fallacious reasoning. BMW keeps existing engines for 1-2 years into the new model years. Note that the turbo motor didn't come out for a year after the E90 (yeah, we can talk about the M54 but still.) If you trace back, the 2.3 & 2.8L engines preceded the E46 for 2 years. iDrive has not had *problems*, it was badly designed - that's entirely different. BMW has already introduced the twin-scroll turbo motor, so it's likely to be bullet-proof by the time the F30 comes out (except for the HPFP:shifty).

The HPFP is just one-of-those things. Of course Audi hasn't had problems (that I have seen) with the fuel pumps for the DI engines.

The fact is that the 2006 E90 had very few problems; certainly fewer than the E46 intro, and many fewer than the E36. BMW seems to have gotten hold of problems, at least with the 3-series.

[iDoc]

Found this
http://www.insideline.com/bmw/future-vehicles.html
? How reliable

[eisenb11]

News on the 2012 remakes is all over the place and too unreliable right now.

I read a lot about the engines dropping down a step and adding turbos, but nothing is for certain and there definately are no HP numbers bouncing around. Whether the gap between the 335 and M3 increases and if the M3 or any of the other 3's drops in HP from the current equivalents is yet to be seen.

My warranty expires in Dec 2011 which means I may be replacing it with a 2012 model year car. The best we can do is keep a really close eye on things. For me, I'll just wait unitl the 2012 cars are announced and make my decisions accordingly and at the last minute.

Now if we're guessing, and admit to it, I'm having a feeling that 2012-2013 may be a good time to get a M3 before the engine change so I'm saving up my pennies (not sure if I'll have enough pennies in time, though) in case this hunch is correct... but note that I'm doing this on pure conjexture.

[alpha325i]

Found this
http://www.insideline.com/bmw/future-vehicles.html
? How reliable

Believe nothing of what you hear, and only half of what you see. Auto manufacturers have been historically known for making last minute corrections and addendums to specifications. Once the specs are up on BMW's website...then I will believe it.

However, a lot of people are unaware that these liberal morons up in Washington have already passed a bill that will force auto-manufacturers to drastically increase the average MPG of the vehicles they produce.
From 2016, new cars and SUVs will have to deliver an average of 35.5 miles per gallon. So in other words, let's screw all of the performance car enthusiast that enjoy driving and modding high-powered cars.

[mryakan]

If turbocharged 4 bangers make it into the US, they will be entry level vehicles, competing with the Audi entry level A4. There is not way they will reduce the power of the top level 3 series since the competition is fierce there and everyone is adding more power to those cars not reducing it. The N55 is here to stay, mark my words.

[Kernel Kurtz]

From 2016, new cars and SUVs will have to deliver an average of 35.5 miles per gallon. So in other words, let's screw all of the performance car enthusiast that enjoy driving and modding high-powered cars.

Performance and efficiency do not have to be mutually exclusive.

Sign me up for one of these puppies any day;

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/08/bmw-concept/

[alpha325i]

From 2016, new cars and SUVs will have to deliver an average of 35.5 miles per gallon. So in other words, let's screw all of the performance car enthusiast that enjoy driving and modding high-powered cars.

Performance and efficiency do not have to be mutually exclusive.

Sign me up for one of these puppies any day;

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/08/bmw-concept/

It's cool looking but not practical

[Kernel Kurtz]

It's cool looking but not practical

Sure, it's a show car. Put a similar powertrain in something more 3er like, though..........

[The2011335i]

Since when did BMW have a V6 :confused. The2011335i, I don't usually like to call out members publicly, but the amount of misinformation and outright bad or faulty information you are posting here is just plain bad for the community and I feel obliged to bring attention to it. Please double check and triple check before posting. If you are not sure, do not post. We really don't need more FUD and BS.

Alright, I apologize for V6, I was wrong.

As for you calling me out, I don't really appreciate it as all I have said was based on what I read elsewhere. You can google "2012 3 Series" and you will see several articles such as the below:

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car/09q2/2012_bmw_3-series_adds_a_turbo_four_and_hatchback_to_the_rang e-car_news


A new line of aluminum four-cylinder gas engines will get the latest technology, including variable intake- and exhaust-valve timing, sequential turbochargers, and direct fuel injection. Power output for the four-cylinder line will range from 135 to 220 horsepower—in the U.S., we’ll likely only get the 220-hp version. Purists need not fret; at least one gas inline six-cylinder engine is expected to survive the downsizing to four-cylinder power. But the 300-hp, twin-turbo six-cylinder in the 335i may be replaced by a 2.0-liter, sequential-turbo four-cylinder gas engine making nearly as much horsepower.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-3-series-sedan-2012.html


Engine room downsizing
In an effort to meet ever-stricter fuel economy standards, BMW has said that it will introduce a four-cylinder powerplant for North America. Other markets are expected to get a boosted three-cylinder (http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-working-on-new-engine-family-set-to-include-companys-first-three-cylinder.html)for some models of the 3-Series Sedan. Count that three-cylinder out for North America – at least for a while.

I am not agreeing with what they say or I am not saying that is in fact what will happen. I am just re-stating what's being said out there as it's obvious the OP didn't know them.