Blinder M47 Laser Jammer

[DTMkarnage]

Does any one have this on their E34??..ive seen videos of it and it seems to block the laser signal from speed guns. Gives you about 1 min. or so to slow down. does this work on radars also?

[kahluastud412]

I've wanted to do this as well but I don't want to risk getting caught with it.

[eightynine535]

If you own a black car with little or no reflective front surface area, you are invisible to LIDAR. Why? Science 101...Black absorbs ALL wavelength of light.

[E34N]

FYI - Many officers are trained to point the "laser" at your front license plate. That's a guaranteed reflective surface. If the laser is on and pointed at your plate... to late... they got you.

If your detector signals you, the laser might not be pointing at you.

AND... if you have no front plate, and it looks like you're speeding, in many states, they can pull you over for no plate anyways.

[moroza]

Laser jammers don't affect radar. Radar jammers affect radar, but they're a bigtime no-no as far as the feds are concerned (like, jailtime and 5-figure fines) since they potentially interfere with military and commercial aviation systems. They're basically military-grade hardware mounted on military vehicles with military-grade price tags and sizes; a typical one looks like a 10-foot long Stinger missile with cancerous growths on it, costs about $250 million, and is mounted on attack jets. If you're doing something that needs one of these, you shouldn't be doing it in an E34 ;)

A perfectly black car with no reflective surfaces would indeed be immune to LIDAR. No car is like that - look at your headlights, grill, windshield, front plate if applicable.

Laser jammers are legal in all but 8 or so states, including California. Just how illegal they are in CA and others, I don't know - could be anything from a dirty look if they happen to see it, to impoundment, confiscation, and a fat fine (Ian and others, can you chime in?).

Properly mounted, they're hard to find unless you're tearing the car apart or know what to look for. Some laser guns have codes that indicate when they're being jammed, though many appear to not do much, especially against the latest generation of jammers.

[DTMkarnage]

The videos seem promising but on staten island I dont know what the cops might do. The Hwy patrol cops are either assholes or somewhat nice. I got caught 90 in a 50 zone about 2 years ago and never gotten caught since. But id rather have some insurance because during summer I do alot of driving to meets and to the NJ beaches where NJ hwy patrol LOVE to pull over cars from NY lol. Hopefully some one has one installed on their car and would like to share an experience or two.

[Bloodhound50]

http://home.scarlet.be/comicstrip/anarcook/hiwyprjm.htm

[serIIalpine]

Take a laser pointer, point it at any black surface flat shiny or otherwise.

Can you see the dot? So can the sensors of the LIDAR gun. The laser emits such a strong concentrated beam that enough of it will reflect off of almost anything.

Quote from above: If you own a black car with little or no reflective front surface area, you are invisible to LIDAR. Why? Science 101...Black absorbs ALL wavelength of light.

Now look at all the reflections in your black shiny car paint. Shiny pure black reflects colors more efficiently and accurately than any other color. The shinier the more concentrated the reflection. Satin and flat paints just disperse the colors. Not much really absorbs light completely. That's why you can see a shadow on a flat black surface.

[IT Jedi]

The laser emits such a strong concentrated beam that enough of it will reflect off of almost anything.

Correct.

A LEO operating a LIDAR gun will try to get a lock on your front license plate, headlights, grill, and windshield. No matter what color your car is, it will reflect back and fast. LIDAR can gauge speed further than a mile and the operator can aim it on very small items for reflection (magnified sight and narrow beam).

The jamming of LIDAR is interesting and evolving. The best source of info is www.guysoflidar.com (http://www.guysoflidar.com)

They have a lot of the devices and do tests on jammers (passive and active) as well as detectors.

The basics are.... Passive and Active protection


A clear license plate cover (Laser Shield) which scatters LIDAR. Since it's clear and doesn't distort photo radar cameras, it's legal in most states.
Next step is paint all your headlights and chrome with a product called Veil (http://www.laserveil.com/). It makes them look smoked so pretty cool. It is an amazing coating which absorbs or inaccurately reflects the LIDAR beam.
Lastly, Jammers. There has been a lot of testing and evolution in jammers over the last couple of years. In the Guys of LIDAR's last test (over a year ago), the best performance was by Laser Intercepter (http://www.laser-interceptorusa.com). Blinder and Escort have well tested products also.


Important... more states are changing their laws to prevent Laser Jammer use.

In the US, the States listed have enacted Legislation prohibiting the use of Laser Jammers (Active Jammers) with most penalties a simple fix-it ticket:
California
Colorado
Illinois
Minnesota
Nebraska
Oklahoma
Tennessee
South Carolina
Utah
Virginia
Washington DC

With VEIL and a plate shield, you may reduce your LIDAR exposure enough to let your Radar/Laser detector actually help you instead of just indicate you're about to get a ticket.

If I lived in MA I'd have an active Jammer. Here in NY with our state budget issues... it seems that less than 20% of the troopers have them. They rely on relatively new KA band radar. Still very effective and they are all trained on it.
I've only been hit with LIDAR three times in my life. Ohio, MA, and Once near the Albany, NY. I can't feel justified in spending almost $1k for a full laser jammer with install. $150 for VEIL and a both plates covered, a good detector and some caffeine is enough for me. :)

[DTMkarnage]

http://home.scarlet.be/comicstrip/anarcook/hiwyprjm.htm

Hey thanks for the link...I gotta give that a try. There was a video on YouTube about Veil and plate covers. they did a test on the plate covers and it did not work at all on 4 different guns both radar and Laser. Here in s.i or Manhattan they love to use Lasers. Ive seen only 2 cops that use Radar guns so far. Time to invest in a Blinder M47..they give you 4 jamming heads so you can cover you front and you ass. Thanks for all your input.

[crazy0000]

If you own a black car with little or no reflective front surface area, you are invisible to LIDAR. Why? Science 101...Black absorbs ALL wavelength of light.

Umm...

Science 101 would tell you that you can't see the whole spectrum of light, so therefore it would black to you even if it was emitting a ton of UV light or Xrays, because humans can't see UV or xrays. Just a thought..

[IT Jedi]

There was a video on YouTube about Veil and plate covers. they did a test on the plate covers and it did not work at all on 4 different guns both radar and Laser. Here in s.i or Manhattan they love to use Lasers. Ive seen only 2 cops that use Radar guns so far. Time to invest in a Blinder M47..they give you 4 jamming heads so you can cover you front and you ass. Thanks for all your input.

FYI Nothing "works" on Radar. I would venture to say that if someone didn't apply Veil correctly, that it would not work well. There have been enough tests to prove that it and shields do work extremely well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bejhJYIdUU

If you are trying to protect yourself against speeding tickets in the city, its just more prudent to slow down. Even the best jammer will get punch thru if shot from 100 feet. Then you'll have spent alot before AND after the ticket.

One other point is that LEO's not oblivious to jammers and either are LIDAR makers. Firmware updates are rolling out way faster than before and just a slight change to the cycling rate of a LIDAR gun will make it punch through the best jammer. It's already happened.

Defeating LIDAR takes distance. Veil and Plate shields help... jammers are better but they all need distance to work as in highway.

[DTMkarnage]

The blinder gives you a audible and visual warning when you are being shot by a laser. It gives you some time to slow down to speed limit and as soon as you do..just turn off the device and let the cop get a reading. He will think it was a glitch in the gun. In the original post I just wanted to know if it worked or not..didnt ask for a lecture on what software they use. Funny how some people just go crazy when something like this comes up lol. Thanks everybody.

[T444E]

FYI - Many officers are trained to point the "laser" at your front license plate. That's a guaranteed reflective surface. If the laser is on and pointed at your plate... to late... they got you.

If your detector signals you, the laser might not be pointing at you.

AND... if you have no front plate, and it looks like you're speeding, in many states, they can pull you over for no plate anyways.

Could always bring up their shooting range figures from Police Academy and argue it in court that they could not fire a gun from X feet away at a moving object 12x6 or how ever big a plate is.

[eightynine535]

Take a laser pointer, point it at any black surface flat shiny or otherwise.

Can you see the dot? So can the sensors of the LIDAR gun. The laser emits such a strong concentrated beam that enough of it will reflect off of almost anything.

Quote from above: If you own a black car with little or no reflective front surface area, you are invisible to LIDAR. Why? Science 101...Black absorbs ALL wavelength of light.

Now look at all the reflections in your black shiny car paint. Shiny pure black reflects colors more efficiently and accurately than any other color. The shinier the more concentrated the reflection. Satin and flat paints just disperse the colors. Not much really absorbs light completely. That's why you can see a shadow on a flat black surface.


I did say "Little or NO REFLECTIVE" didn't I???

As for a nice waxed black car, its paint will STILL absorb enough of the laser to make the distance a LIDAR detecting you greater. Meaning it can detect the speed of a lighter coloured vehicle at a longer distance. This was tested by Road and Track years ago. Coupled with a good LIDAR detector and products to make your headlights, license plates and any chrome less reflective, you will have a better advantage than the next guy in a lighter colour car. But I must stress nothing will make you invisible from either RADAR or LIDAR.

[IT Jedi]

Funny how some people just go crazy when something like this comes up lol. Thanks everybody.

Yea... its a fascinating topic that sparks a lot of chatter. :)

Yes. Blinder is a great choice. Probably the best. They have tested well since early version and the 47 with it's ability to updated by the user makes it unique and a much smarter buy than others on the market. BTW, I'm seeing a lot of material that the guysoflidar.com and Laser Interceptor have colluded to falsify the results of their latest test. Lame.

Are you planning to mount all four heads on front or split them back/front?

[DTMkarnage]

Im probably going to split them front/back so Just in case a cop is behind me and decides to laser my car. Happen to my brother once..the guy came out of no where and go him for 70 in a 65. Our cops are no good here.

[eightynine535]

Im probably going to split them front/back so Just in case a cop is behind me and decides to laser my car. Happen to my brother once..the guy came out of no where and go him for 70 in a 65. Our cops are no good here.

70 in a 65??? geez was is quota time? Out here the unofficial speed limit is 75. under that, the State Police doesn't even blink.

[pgrindstaff]

Using distance as a defense for getting shot with LIDAR doesn't work all that well in my experience. Last year I got nailed on the way to work and the distance listed was somewhere over 1000 FT. When I was speaking to my lawyer about defense options he pretty much told me I was SOL when it came to a cop saying they got you with LIDAR. $1000 later (85% lawyer expenses) I have slowed down...most of the time.

[DTMkarnage]

70 in a 65??? geez was is quota time? Out here the unofficial speed limit is 75. under that, the State Police doesn't even blink.

Yes it was the end of the month lol..he got screwed pretty badly.