*PICS* Steve's 92e34 car getting lowered.

[mikemxbike4]

So today me and Steve lowered his car at my house. Here are some pics.

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[misswin]

lol. everything's so neat and organized. how long did it take?

[mikemxbike4]

lol. everything's so neat and organized. how long did it take?

Too long, like 4 hours. But thats with constant beer breaks and a tiny air compressor that we were constantly waiting on.

[Steve547i]

Thanks for posting these mike!

[jessejames]

that's great guys, I wish I were in the northeast right now so we could do mine!
ah well, it'll probably have to wait until spring at this point - you guys interested? :naughty

[misswin]

which one of you is the dude in that one photo? whoever it is needs to start buying bigger shirts... :)

[Steve547i]

which one of you is the dude in that one photo? whoever it is needs to start buying bigger shirts... :)
thanks

[daddeez]

You guys did a great job !

[tonyroc14]

sweet. lowered on 15's!!! :) i like it.

[Steve547i]

sweet. lowered on 15's!!! :) i like it.

Old Pirellis on my Borbets were leaking air and down to the steel belt. Not good.

Getting wrapped for free, at the pace of free, in bridgestone runflats.

should be one weds along with replacing tie rods.

also, i scrapped the lip going 60 up a hill, this thing will be off the car by next saturday because its crazy crazy low.
Sorry for shitty blackberry pic
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/StevethePirate33/LOW.jpg

[nismoracer65789]

looks nice!
what springs?

[Funk49]

looks nice!
what springs?x2! :buttrock

How well does it ride and handle now compared to before ?

Mine is next! :cool

[mikemxbike4]

that's great guys, I wish I were in the northeast right now so we could do mine!
ah well, it'll probably have to wait until spring at this point - you guys interested? :naughty

Always interested. As long as you bring some hookers.

[Steve547i]

Bavauto springs and stock struts

And its slightly stiffer than stock

[Funk49]

Bavauto springs and stock struts

And its slightly stiffer than stockWhat's the difference in the handling department ?

[Steve547i]

Stiffer and the cornering is better. Not a whole lot. Bavauto springs are close to stock but a little bit stiffer. Noticable difference vs stock. I picked them up for 90$ shipped and its a win. My struts and mounts are in great shape and if something blows, nex will be my replacement

[crazy0000]

change the sig haha, looks good though

[ShapeShifter]

Canned beer????
Guys come on.......


Very cool you helped out Mike!!
Looks good.

[Sam Son]

congrats!

[dansgt]

car looks good, but ah...budwiser? disgusting.

[mikemxbike4]

car looks good, but ah...budwiser? disgusting.

As good as it gets if you want a 12 pack from my local convenience store. Trust me, Budweiser is nowhere near the top on my beer chart.

[janders211]

Lowerer is gooderer.

Steve - you look so sad....like you're looking at that car, and just realized; "We just put that motor back in and forgot the crank"


As good as it gets if you want a 12 pack from my local convenience store. Trust me, Budweiser is nowhere near the top on my beer chart.

I'll be drinking Natty Light deep into 6 digit salary.

[ShapeShifter]

Natty light????
Nasty!!'

[clevertd]

that's great guys, I wish I were in the northeast right now so we could do mine!
ah well, it'll probably have to wait until spring at this point - you guys interested? :naughty

blackmail eaglecomm into granting access to his garage and clear one of my weekends and we'll knock it out:devillook

[T444E]

Lowerer is gooderer.

Steve - you look so sad....like you're looking at that car, and just realized; "We just put that motor back in and forgot the crank"



I'll be drinking Natty Light deep into 6 digit salary.


HAHAH!

You guys should come steal my RS and put my coil overs in for me.

[jessejames]

blackmail eaglecomm into granting access to his garage and clear one of my weekends and we'll knock it out:devillook

this sounds like a solid plan. operation blackmail grey commencing... :devillook
before that, though, I do need to know what I should buy for suspension!
I was looking into NEX, but I don't quite trust them. any recommendations?
so many options out there, hard to know which direction to head in. :dunno

[mikemxbike4]

this sounds like a solid plan. operation blackmail grey commencing... :devillook
before that, though, I do need to know what I should buy for suspension!
I was looking into NEX, but I don't quite trust them. any recommendations?
so many options out there, hard to know which direction to head in. :dunno

Well do You want to go coilover route or spring/shock route. And do you care for looks over handling or other way around?

[Sam Son]

before that, though, I do need to know what I should buy for suspension!
I was looking into NEX, but I don't quite trust them. any recommendations?
so many options out there, hard to know which direction to head in. :dunno

well its actually pretty simple what do you want? how much are you willing to spend?
answer those questions and ill tell you what your options are...


do you care for looks over handling
coils do both:confused

[mikemxbike4]

well its actually pretty simple what do you want? how much are you willing to spend
answer that question and ill tell you what your options are...


coils do both:confused

Coils dont do chit. Driver does;)

[jessejames]

Well do You want to go coilover route or spring/shock route. And do you care for looks over handling or other way around?


well its actually pretty simple what do you want? how much are you willing to spend?
answer those questions and ill tell you what your options are...

this is a potentially epic thread on the rise...I feel fortunate to have your attention! :stickoutt
I have no preference between coilover or spring/shock combo, I just want the following:

-similar if not better handling than my existing m-tech setup, I corner hard as a hobby and a necessity
-a lower stance than my current setup, although high enough to not fear speed bumps and/or dirt roads
-utmost build quality that won't prematurely wear other front end components or need replacing often

as far as the cost is considered? by no means do I have an endless budget,
but I am willing to pay for quality within reason. I'm not looking to spend thousands.
I don't track the car, I'm not a racing driving, but I do enjoy regular spirited driving.
if you can suggest a setup that can afford me all these traits, consider it done!

[Sam Son]

eibach or vogtland springs with billie sport shocks and maybe some RD sways....thatll give you what youre looking for
itll ride very similar to what you have now...handle better be a bit lower and you wont have to change your driving style because of bumps or potholes...
I had both eibachs and vogts paired with billie sports and bother were great for someone looking for a mild drop and somewhat better handling capabilities without having to worry about road conditions.
this setup will run you around 700ish give or take

if you have to ask about the quality of eibachs vogtlands or bilstein...well...heh ..you get the idea

[Grim Reaper]

I am such a fan of these diy threads and racer beer is not a bad thing.

Nice work on the drop.

[jessejames]

eibach or vogtland springs with billie sport shocks and maybe some RD sways....thatll give you what youre looking for
itll ride very similar to what you have now...handle better be a bit lower and you wont have to change your driving style because of bumps or potholes...
I had both eibachs and vogts paired with billie sports and bother were great for someone looking for a mild drop and somewhat better handling capabilities without having to worry about road conditions.
this setup will run you around 700ish give or take

if you have to ask about the quality of eibachs vogtlands or bilstein...well...heh ..you get the idea

changing conversation over to PM, if anyone else has any suggestions for me please PM me!
/threadjack

[Funk49]

Bavauto springs are close to stock but a little bit stiffer. Noticable difference vs stock. I picked them up for 90$ shipped and its a win.For a set of (4) ?? Where did you get them from ??

[bdejong11129]

changing conversation over to PM, if anyone else has any suggestions for me please PM me!
/threadjack

Why go into PM mode? I would love to know this information. Start a new thread and lets get it on!!. Count me in if your decide to do it. I can always clear a weekend day...Plus it sounds like you may have some stuff being replaced that I may be interested in. :buttrock

[Funk49]

Why go into PM mode? I would love to know this information. Start a new thread and lets get it on!!. :buttrockX2. :cool

[Steve547i]

For a set of (4) ?? Where did you get them from ??

A member on here in early august

[mikemxbike4]

this is a potentially epic thread on the rise...I feel fortunate to have your attention! :stickoutt
I have no preference between coilover or spring/shock combo, I just want the following:

-similar if not better handling than my existing m-tech setup, I corner hard as a hobby and a necessity
-a lower stance than my current setup, although high enough to not fear speed bumps and/or dirt roads
-utmost build quality that won't prematurely wear other front end components or need replacing often

as far as the cost is considered? by no means do I have an endless budget,
but I am willing to pay for quality within reason. I'm not looking to spend thousands.
I don't track the car, I'm not a racing driving, but I do enjoy regular spirited driving.
if you can suggest a setup that can afford me all these traits, consider it done!

Well, coilover setup is the best for hardcore/track driving.

If you are going to go with spring/ shock combo, I would highly recommend H&R/bilstein sport combo. H&R is the stiffest spring set for e34's. Eibachs are second stiffest. Vogtland seems to be in the middle. And bavautos or just a bit stiffer than stock.

So here is my chart, having handling as priority
1.Good coilover setup
2.H&R/Bilstein sport
3.Eibach/Bilstein sport
4.Vogtland/Bilstein sport
5.Bavauto/Bilstein sport

Going with different shocks, like Koni adjustables wont change the picture.

[ILoveMPower]

Nice, tiny compressor tanks suck! But I do like me some Bud Heavy... party on.

[ArnZ]

Good work fellas, 4 hours sounds pretty quick, it took me way longer doing mine by myself and without air tools. The car looks awesome!

btw how much of the bump stops did you cut off? i did 1/3 and i don't think its enough.

[Steve547i]

Good work fellas, 4 hours sounds pretty quick, it took me way longer doing mine by myself and without air tools. The car looks awesome!

btw how much of the bump stops did you cut off? i did 1/3 and i don't think its enough.

We cut nothing off of it

[ArnZ]

hmmmmm okay then...... maybe my bumpstops have just slid down the shock a bit. Will have to check sometime this week when i go over the all the bolts again to double check i did em up tight.

[mikemxbike4]

His bump stops were cracked and separated, so either way they were shorter than brand new stock ones.

[Xmr9barbarianX]

Old Pirellis on my Borbets were leaking air and down to the steel belt. Not good.

Getting wrapped for free, at the pace of free, in bridgestone runflats.

should be one weds along with replacing tie rods.

also, i scrapped the lip going 60 up a hill, this thing will be off the car by next saturday because its crazy crazy low.
Sorry for shitty blackberry pic
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/StevethePirate33/LOW.jpg

I love it man! Yeah i used to scrape the lip all the time! i have knocked it off once before but i remounted it and its even been towed and the lip is still holding up even though i have like a 2 inch clearance.

[nismoracer65789]

OT: What lip do you guys get the lip from and how do you mount it?

[Xmr9barbarianX]

OT: What lip do you guys get the lip from and how do you mount it?

Its a volvo lip off a volvo 940 if i can remember right. All you have to do is trim up the edges a bit and then it mounts right up to the bottom of the bumper. I just used wood screws and its held up very well. I love it, very flexible.

[Steve547i]

yeah i used screws and some sort of clip. Mines coming off soon though because i hate actually flinching everything i drive over anything

[nismoracer65789]

Want to sell it to me? :eyebrows

[Steve547i]

Want to sell it to me? :eyebrows

Come pick it up.

[nismoracer65789]

Haha nevermind then

[Steve547i]

Haha nevermind then
it no way shape or form is it smart to ship a volvo lip.
they are dirt cheap and i only paid 20$ for it.

just junkyard one.

[Xmr9barbarianX]

Haha nevermind then

Just go to a local junk yard man. Its pretty cheap. And im sure you'll find at least one. I got mine for $16:buttrock

[nismoracer65789]

Suppose I can stop being lazy, and go to the junkyard.

[Steve547i]

Just mount it the way i have it.
Actually, can anyone post a picture of someone else with the lip upside down like mine?

[ArnZ]

His bump stops were cracked and separated, so either way they were shorter than brand new stock ones.

ahh okay so how much left was there then? Also is he running no spring pads?

[mikemxbike4]

ahh okay so how much left was there then? Also is he running no spring pads?

We left the spring pads in Steve's car. I have them out on my car though. And when you cut your bump stops, leave just "the tip" if you know what i mean.

[Burn535i]

Natty light????
Nasty!!'

You take that back

[ArnZ]

We left the spring pads in Steve's car. I have them out on my car though. And when you cut your bump stops, leave just "the tip" if you know what i mean.

yeah i lowered mine on the weekend as well, i cut off 1/3 of the bump stop is that enough? and i also didn't use spring pads.

[paanta]

Well, coilover setup is the best for hardcore/track driving.


I agree coilovers are best for competitive racers or if you want a REALLY low car. But after years of screwing around with coilovers and running springs that were so stiff that the car was slow on real roads (even if it felt fast), I'd use matched spring/shock combo on any street/HPDE car.

Springs/shocks are install and forget. To benefit from coilovers, you spend lots of time tweaking: camber settings, measuring corner weights and doing math to get the wedge right, etc. And if you want the best handling, the car will look pretty much identical to a car on a sport spring/shock combos and won't corner much better unless you run uncomfortable spring rates. Even there, what's fast on the track (super stiff springs) will be slow on bumpy real world streets.

You can't slam the car and expect good handling. The best ride height for handling is usually only about an inch lower than stock. Lower, and you INCREASE body roll, screw up how camber changes through wheel travel, create bump steer, etc. To correct the body roll, you need stiffer springs just to get back on the same playing field as a car near stock height. But, that limits suspension travel, so the car skitters all over on bad roads. You're fighting against physics.

Almost every production-based race car is tall compared to the really low cars you see here, because when the car was designed, the suspension mounting points and geometry were chosen to match a given ride height and weight distribution. Google "roll center vs. center of gravity".

[93FIM5]

I agree coilovers are best for competitive racers or if you want a REALLY low car. But after years of screwing around with coilovers and running springs that were so stiff that the car was slow on real roads (even if it felt fast), I'd use matched spring/shock combo on any street/HPDE car.

Springs/shocks are install and forget. To benefit from coilovers, you spend lots of time tweaking: camber settings, measuring corner weights and doing math to get the wedge right, etc. And if you want the best handling, the car will look pretty much identical to a car on a sport spring/shock combos and won't corner much better unless you run uncomfortable spring rates. Even there, what's fast on the track (super stiff springs) will be slow on bumpy real world streets.

You can't slam the car and expect good handling. The best ride height for handling is usually only about an inch lower than stock. Lower, and you INCREASE body roll, screw up how camber changes through wheel travel, create bump steer, etc. To correct the body roll, you need stiffer springs just to get back on the same playing field as a car near stock height. But, that limits suspension travel, so the car skitters all over on bad roads. You're fighting against physics.

Almost every production-based race car is tall compared to the really low cars you see here, because when the car was designed, the suspension mounting points and geometry were chosen to match a given ride height and weight distribution. Google "roll center vs. center of gravity".

Very well put, I'm glad someone finally points out how super stiff springs on real world roads usually cause more harm than good, and the fact that you mentioned roll centers is an even bigger plus. Now, on too giant staggered tire setups and incorrect swaybar combos. :redspot

[E34nication]

+1 for Natty
+whatever for the car looking great. Nice work.

[nismoracer65789]

it no way shape or form is it smart to ship a volvo lip.
they are dirt cheap and i only paid 20$ for it.

just junkyard one.
Alright how about this.. I mail you an empty box you put the lip in and sent it I paypal you $45






:shifty