M Shift leather knob 6 spd

[boss2k]

I saw it at my dealer at a car on display, it was installed as part of M Sports package and looked shorter in height than the one which came standard with my 09 coupe.

Does it shorten the throw and is it actually shorter in height than the OEM

Has anyone done that

Views please

Dealer is charging 200 installed

[E92!Dreier]

Just a knob, installed for $200?
:eyecrazy


Here's my E-46 M Knob, I paid $45, installed in one minute myself (but I did punch myself in the eye getting the old one off!).

[mattjw916]

rofl... $200 for a knob is ludicrous

[boss2k]

rofl... $200 for a knob is ludicrous

Agree , i am installing the short shift performance kit for 500 + 2 hrs of labor will be arnd 750 total.

This will shorten the throw which is what i want

[E92!Dreier]

Agree , i am installing the short shift performance kit for 500 + 2 hrs of labor will be arnd 750 total.

This will shorten the throw which is what i want

so $750 for a $230 kit you could install in your driveway?
Short Shift Kit
This 6-speed short shift kit offer a shorter, more direct shift feel for improved control and a more visceral experience. Ergonomically designed in black Alcantara and aluminum, the kit's modified shift linkage set-up reduces shift travel by 25 percent for a faster, smoother gear response. Includes shift knob and boot. (PN: 25 11 0 430 358)
$230.00

FROM: http://accessories.bmwusa.com/ItemView.aspx?modelId=163&perf=true&categoryId=139&productCategoryId=&menuId=0&subItemId=0

[boss2k]

so $750 for a $230 kit you could install in your driveway?
Short Shift Kit
This 6-speed short shift kit offer a shorter, more direct shift feel for improved control and a more visceral experience. Ergonomically designed in black Alcantara and aluminum, the kit's modified shift linkage set-up reduces shift travel by 25 percent for a faster, smoother gear response. Includes shift knob and boot. (PN: 25 11 0 430 358)
$230.00

FROM: http://accessories.bmwusa.com/ItemView.aspx?modelId=163&perf=true&categoryId=139&productCategoryId=&menuId=0&subItemId=0


The short shift kit for 335 coupe is as below, is the one you referenced is for 335 ?


Short Shift Kit
This 6-speed short shift kit offers a shorter, more direct shift feel for improved control and a more visceral experience. Ergonomically designed in black Alcantara and aluminum, the kit's modified shift linkage set-up reduces shift travel by 25 percent for a faster, smoother gear response. Includes shift knob and boot. This kit modifies shift pivot and linkage. (PN: 25 11 0 430 360)
$576.00

[E92!Dreier]

The short shift kit for 335 coupe is as below, is the one you referenced is for 335 ?


Short Shift Kit
This 6-speed short shift kit offers a shorter, more direct shift feel for improved control and a more visceral experience. Ergonomically designed in black Alcantara and aluminum, the kit's modified shift linkage set-up reduces shift travel by 25 percent for a faster, smoother gear response. Includes shift knob and boot. This kit modifies shift pivot and linkage. (PN: 25 11 0 430 360)
$576.00



The part numbrs are not the same --- $576.00 is an absolute rip off. Plus 2 hours labor? Hmmm....

I have also heard that the kit you are looking at is nearly impossible to install without first removing the drive shaft. My BMW Indy advisor jsut told me on the phone that if I came to him with that kit he would "help me do it on a weekend for $150 cash. It isn't worth doing it for the amount of time your car will take away from the rest of my business. It's a real PITA."

You might want to look at removing your CDV first, before going this route.

If money is no object, go right ahead and go the dealer route.

Here are links to two DIY's for 335i SSK installations...none of the part numbers match the one you pulled, so use caution.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102808

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106829

Good luck.

[boss2k]

The part numbrs are not the same --- $576.00 is an absolute rip off. Plus 2 hours labor? Hmmm....

I have also heard that the kit you are looking at is nearly impossible to install without first removing the drive shaft. My BMW Indy advisor jsut told me on the phone that if I came to him with that kit he would "help me do it on a weekend for $150 cash. It isn't worth doing it for the amount of time your car will take away from the rest of my business. It's a real PITA."

You might want to look at removing your CDV first, before going this route.

If money is no object, go right ahead and go the dealer route.

Here are links to two DIY's for 335i SSK installations...none of the part numbers match the one you pulled, so use caution.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102808

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106829

Good luck.

This is what i see from BMW website

http://accessories.bmwusa.com/ItemView.aspx?modelId=423&perf=true&categoryId=139&productCategoryId=&menuId=0&subItemId=3&productId=2458

Is the PN different because of the year ?

I am planning to have installed at dealer because car is brand new and do not want any issues. They are charging me 499 + tax + 2 hrs labor

Please have a look and let me know

[E92!Dreier]

The difference (from what I can figure) is the actual lever arm -- each model has different one. The kit is overpiced from BMW (but what isn't).

For peace of mind, warranty issues I don't disagree with your decision to go to the dealer -- I just disagree with the price! In addition, I have spoken to at least two people who feel that this modification results in a shorter gear box life -

Shifitng effort will go up, because you have to really slam the gears home. One person has already replaced synchros -- because this is a performance kit from BMW, you should ask about warranty implication sin the case of potential premature transmission component wear.


Good luck.

[boss2k]

The difference (from what I can figure) is the actual lever arm -- each model has different one. The kit is overpiced from BMW (but what isn't).

For peace of mind, warranty issues I don't disagree with your decision to go to the dealer -- I just disagree with the price! In addition, I have spoken to at least two people who feel that this modification results in a shorter gear box life -

Shifitng effort will go up, because you have to really slam the gears home. One person has already replaced synchros -- because this is a performance kit from BMW, you should ask about warranty implication sin the case of potential premature transmission component wear.


Good luck.

Thanks for your advice but i am getting the feeling that this is not a recommended mod ? Is that so ?

I will talk to service dept and confirm warranty implications again.

I have an appointment scheduled tomorrow to have this done.

[E92!Dreier]

Thanks for your advice but i am getting the feeling that this is not a recommended mod ? Is that so ?

I will talk to service dept and confirm warranty implications again.

I have an appointment scheduled tomorrow to have this done.

It's not that it's not recommended -- it's that it may not be exactly what you are looking for and that it is exceedingly expensive.

Just talk to your advisor ALOT ... I am surprised no one with this kit has come in to comment. You should try reading up on this mod on on other forums where there i more information availabe, and more enthusiasm about talking about it.

There are also alternative SSKs from UUC motorwerks and Riss Racing.
You can also get a weighted knob that improves shift feel. Combined with a removal of your CDV, you might get the results you are looking for without the $800 or so BMW wants you to spend.

I found this page for you:
http://www.uucmotorwerks.com/html_product/bmw_shifters/shifter_nav.htm

[boss2k]

Thanks E92 Dreier for your valuable comments

Anyone installed short shifter in their 335 and could comment please on the experience

[boss2k]

The difference (from what I can figure) is the actual lever arm -- each model has different one. The kit is overpiced from BMW (but what isn't).

For peace of mind, warranty issues I don't disagree with your decision to go to the dealer -- I just disagree with the price! In addition, I have spoken to at least two people who feel that this modification results in a shorter gear box life -

Shifitng effort will go up, because you have to really slam the gears home. One person has already replaced synchros -- because this is a performance kit from BMW, you should ask about warranty implication sin the case of potential premature transmission component wear.


Good luck.

Hi

I installed the SSK yesterday and felt the same as you commented above.

1) Shifting effort has gone up particulary from 1st to 2nd and putting in reverse

2) Shifting has become hard and not smooth as the original one. Is this normal

3) It did shorten the throws considerably and i like it.

4) Will it become little smooth down the line.

Thanks

[E92!Dreier]

Congrats!

As to your questions -- Yes it is normal to have increased effort. Shifiting is more direct now, and when you try to shift quickly, the synchros might not have caught up to your shift when you are already done moving the knob into gear. You may tend to wear your synchros quicker than you would otherwise.

I am glad you are enjoying your new shifter. The increased effort and greater need for care will be rewarded with shorter throws and faster 0-60s, but it will probably not get smoother in terms of mechanics -- but you can master the corresponding body mechanics through practice to achieve perfection.

[boss2k]

I am thinking of a more weighted shift knob, quite like the M shifter knob, will it be heavier than the black Alcantara shift knob which i have with the BMW SSK installed. Will it make a difference in the shifting?

[boss2k]

Anyone please respond to my last question

[E92!Dreier]

The difference will be in the feel, not in the actual mechanics.

I like a heavy, solid shifter in my hand. Some shift ktis are designed with a solid heavy shifter in mind, and work ebtter with one. Other's don't. You really are going to have to try it...

But, I think my E-46 M3 knob is awesome!

[boss2k]

Where can you buy E-46 M3 knob

BTW what does E-46 stand for. I know the E 90, 92 series etc

[Car54]

Getbmwparts.com Tischer BMW

Look for ZHP M shift knob. It's $60 shipped.

E46 was the chassis code for the 3 series before the E90, and included all body styles.

[boss2k]

Getbmwparts.com Tischer BMW

Look for ZHP M shift knob. It's $60 shipped.

E46 was the chassis code for the 3 series before the E90, and included all body styles.


Thanks , will it fit my E92 , do u need shift boot as well or just the shift knob


Getbmwparts.com Tischer BMW

Look for ZHP M shift knob. It's $60 shipped.

E46 was the chassis code for the 3 series before the E90, and included all body styles.


Is this the one ?

25117896886 Each$79.00$79.00
$60.00 BMW M Style Weighted Short Shift Knob - 6 Spd.
Weighted M Style black leather shift knob is shorter than the stock OEM "goose-neck" style shift knobs. 6-speed pattern. [5 Sp. pattern shown] Price includes FREE GROUND SHIPPING!!!

[slvrXI]

Just a knob, installed for $200?
:eyecrazy


Here's my E-46 M Knob, I paid $45, installed in one minute myself (but I did punch myself in the eye getting the old one off!).

HAHa the notorious, either punch your self, break the mirror, or smash the windshield shift knob. Awesome post.

[Car54]

Thanks , will it fit my E92 , do u need shift boot as well or just the shift knob




Is this the one ?

25117896886 Each$79.00$79.00
$60.00 BMW M Style Weighted Short Shift Knob - 6 Spd.
Weighted M Style black leather shift knob is shorter than the stock OEM "goose-neck" style shift knobs. 6-speed pattern. [5 Sp. pattern shown] Price includes FREE GROUND SHIPPING!!!



You got it...it will fit the E92, but not the M3 because it combines the boot and knob in to one piece. I just put one in my e90 325i...so much better feel throwing the gears, plus feeling leather is always better than plastic.


HAHa the notorious, either punch your self, break the mirror, or smash the windshield shift knob. Awesome post.

I like the "tug and pop" technique....if you do a single hard pull you're doomed.

[boss2k]

[QUOTE=Car54;17771791]You got it...it will fit the E92, but not the M3 because it combines the boot and knob in to one piece. I just put one in my e90 325i...so much better feel throwing the gears, plus feeling leather is always better than plastic.

--- Is it made of leather, did not see leather from the pic ( which were of bad quality)

-- I saw another item 25118036628 , BMW E90/91/92/93 3 Series 'M' Perforated Leather Shift Knob w/ Boot , did you check that ?

[Car54]

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=746293

I was after the one for $60...If I was going to spend $130, I'd buy the illuminated M shift knob.

[boss2k]

E92!Dreier -- do you have the perforated leather one BMW E90/91/92/93 3 Series 'M' Perforated Leather Shift Knob w/ Boot or
the BMW M Style Weighted Short Shift Knob , your picture looks like the perforated one.

Secondly are both of these made of leather

[Car54]

The ZHP knob is (the latter) and has an aluminum ring around the base. If the former is not weighted I wouldn't get it. Weighted is the nice part.

Here's another vendor who has more options: http://leatherz.com/Merchant5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=01&Product_Code=ZHPSSKnob&Category_Code=Z4_Shift_Knob

Here's a better pic of the ZHP knob:

http://www.leatherz.com/Merchant2/art/shortknob01.jpg
http://www.leatherz.com/Merchant2/art/shortknob02.jpg