HPF oil scavenge pump!

[nitrosobmw]

Hey guys, My new HPF oil scavenge pump arrived today.. installed it and let me tell you , cant even hear it with the car off, Oh man, finally, Mine was really loud, I had the tilton and its huge compare to the HPF which is very compact. Im posting because there was a discussion about it a few days that I was following and went ahead and gave it a try after chris from HPF posted about his pump being in their cars and being really quiet.. I can post pics

[Geno325is]

smaller size? hitachi model?

[Mod Addict]

Is it a carter unit?

[nitrosobmw]

I really dunno the brand, it is white in color , much smaller than tilton or turbowerx and, Ill take pics today and post them.
edit: defenetly not the carter, I checked..

[dcvee]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-Electric-Oil-Pump-STS-Rear-Remote-Low-Mount-Turbo_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a570Q7c66Q3a 2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293Q 3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZite m150337808385QQitemZ150337808385QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ 5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Must be a gear pump similar to this??

Don

[s52e368]

post pics, price ?

i have hte tilton and honestly i like being able to hear it when the car is off.
(quick insurance to wether or not its working)

[nitrosobmw]

post pics, price ?

i have hte tilton and honestly i like being able to hear it when the car is off.
(quick insurance to wether or not its working)

you can also put a led light bulb in near the head light switch to light up when is on..

I love the fact that is so quiet, the tilton gave me great service dont get me wrong, but the noise was unbearable,

wherew do u have it mounted, what bracket are u using? Ill post pics in a while


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-Electric-Oil-Pump-STS-Rear-Remote-Low-Mount-Turbo_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a570Q7c66Q3a 2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293Q 3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZite m150337808385QQitemZ150337808385QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ 5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?campid=5335818596&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Febaymotors%2FNEW-Electric-Oil-Pump-STS-Rear-Remote-Low-Mount-Turbo_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a570Q7c66Q3a 2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293Q 3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZite m150337808385QQitemZ150337808385QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ 5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)

Must be a gear pump similar to this??

Don

yes sir, I bought it tru HPF because they said they have modified it to meet their requirements, and its on their turbo kits, Just like TRM, HPF is a vendor that Im confortable with,

[s52e368]

you can also put a led light bulb in near the head light switch to light up when is on..

I love the fact that is so quiet, the tilton gave me great service dont get me wrong, but the noise was unbearable,

wherew do u have it mounted, what bracket are u using? Ill post pics in a while


i have a blinking led and a lit on/off toggle (BOTH OF WHICH ONLY SHOW ITS FUNCTIONING ELECTRONICALLY)

currently mounted under the car near my seat position, made a bracket using some old tranny mounts.

[nitrosobmw]

i have a blinking led and a lit on/off toggle (BOTH OF WHICH ONLY SHOW ITS FUNCTIONING ELECTRONICALLY)

currently mounted under the car near my seat position, made a bracket using some old tranny mounts.

pics please!! can u service the tilton pump? (for the noise I mean) I probably service it and sell.

Ill post mine today!

anyone with scavenge pump placement pics?

[dcvee]

you can also put a led light bulb in near the head light switch to light up when is on..

I love the fact that is so quiet, the tilton gave me great service dont get me wrong, but the noise was unbearable,

wherew do u have it mounted, what bracket are u using? Ill post pics in a while



yes sir, I bought it tru HPF because they said they have modified it to meet their requirements, and its on their turbo kits, Just like TRM, HPF is a vendor that Im confortable with,

No, didn't mean to imply you should buy it from another vendor...just asked if it was a gear-type pump like that one.

Also, for mounting pictures see my build thread in my sig

Don


pics please!! can u service the tilton pump? (for the noise I mean) I probably service it and sell.

Ill post mine today!

anyone with scavenge pump placement pics?

Yes, you can rebuild the tilton pump...which is actually a Flojet pump. Order any rebuild kit for a 2100 series pump and make sure the kit is Viton.

Don

[s52e368]

Yes, you can rebuild the tilton pump...which is actually a Flojet pump. Order any rebuild kit for a 2100 series pump and make sure the kit is Viton.

Don

to interject, they also warranty them if setup properly.

[dcvee]

to interject, they also warranty them if setup properly.

Flojet or Tilton?

[s52e368]

Flojet or Tilton?


tilton.

[nitrosobmw]

No, didn't mean to imply you should buy it from another vendor...just asked if it was a gear-type pump like that one.

Also, for mounting pictures see my build thread in my sig

Don



Yes, you can rebuild the tilton pump...which is actually a Flojet pump. Order any rebuild kit for a 2100 series pump and make sure the kit is Viton.

Don



Thanks a lot for the info Don, Ill look into buying the rebuild kit and either keep it as a spare pump or sell it to a friend,

[dcvee]

tilton.

Hmmm, didn't know that. Thanks. Bought my last one from Mocal...which is also a Flojet. But based on the price from Tilton, a warranty sounds nice!!

Don


Thanks a lot for the info Don, Ill look into buying the rebuild kit and either keep it as a spare pump or sell it to a friend,

NP!!

[s52e368]

Hmmm, didn't know that. Thanks. Bought my last one from Mocal...which is also a Flojet. But based on the price from Tilton, a warranty sounds nice!!

Don



NP!!

when i was doing my build i spoke to them many times about the proper setup to insure the pumps life, so if in case of mechanical failure it is solely the pump :)

FYI i saw many different 12v pumps at the local northern tool

even this one which is really similar to the HPF
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_16817_16817

HPF (http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/images/products/HorsepowerFreaks/Oil_Pumps_Scavenge_LRG.jpg)

[dcvee]

when i was doing my build i spoke to them many times about the proper setup to insure the pumps life, so if in case of mechanical failure it is solely the pump :)

FYI i saw many different 12v pumps at the local northern tool

even this one which is really similar to the HPF
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_16817_16817

HPF (http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/images/products/HorsepowerFreaks/Oil_Pumps_Scavenge_LRG.jpg)

That northerntool unit looks to be a cam style...not a gear type I believe. Should still work...I mean the real deal here is finding capatible gaskets systems and installation.

1. I would always vent a pump on the suction side.
2. I would never have the discharge lower than the oil level especially anywhere close to the oil drain in the pan.

What were the hints Tilton shared with you? Did they tell you that the back side of the pump (where it mates to the motor) is NOT sealed and grit/dirt can get in there and ruin the diaphram?

Don

[s52e368]

That northerntool unit looks to be a cam style...not a gear type I believe. Should still work...I mean the real deal here is finding capatible gaskets systems and installation.

1. I would always vent a pump on the suction side.
2. I would never have the discharge lower than the oil level especially anywhere close to the oil drain in the pan.

What were the hints Tilton shared with you? Did they tell you that the back side of the pump (where it mates to the motor) is NOT sealed and grit/dirt can get in there and ruin the diaphram?

Don

not saying to buy that one in particular but there are several at northern that are nice pumps. with warranties.

tilton told me:
1. run a collector to aid in cooling and in cavitation.
(they will not service a pump ran right off the turbo)
2. also suggest 3ft+ from source to aid in cooling.
3. from the amount of suction created they also suggest a vent (crankcase)
to save the turbo bearing from stress.
4. if vented they will not service an open vent due to moisture and debris.

i knew about the sealing issue on the tilton case, no problems on my end. (been keeping an eye on it)


aside from someone posting a link to ebay pump not HPFs is there documentation that HPF is using gear style pump.

[dcvee]

not saying to buy that one in particular but there are several at northern that are nice pumps. with warranties.

tilton told me:
1. run a collector to aid in cooling and in cavitation.
(they will not service a pump ran right off the turbo)
2. also suggest 3ft+ from source to aid in cooling.
3. from the amount of suction created they also suggest a vent (crankcase)
to save the turbo bearing from stress.
4. if vented they will not service an open vent due to moisture and debris.

i knew about the sealing issue on the tilton case, no problems on my end. (been keeping an eye on it)


aside from someone posting a link to ebay pump not HPFs is there documentation that HPF is using gear style pump.

Yeah, I vented my reservoir to the valve cover. About the only thing I didn't do of what you listed is 3' from source. I prolly have about 24". I do however have my turbo dumping into an aluminum reservoir so I'm sure that's providing some cooling effect.

I wrapped some foam around the gap between the pump head cover and the motor to stop debris from getting in the backside of the pump.

I posted the ebay pump only since I'm sure HPF is using a gear type pump. So does STS and others. It really is the best choice imho.

Don

[nitrosobmw]

A lot of great info about something that is crucial in most bmw e36 turbo systems and frequently overlooked. dcvee, why the discharge of the pump shouldnt be below oil level? thanks

[dcvee]

A lot of great info about something that is crucial in most bmw e36 turbo systems and frequently overlooked. dcvee, why the discharge of the pump shouldnt be below oil level? thanks

Well, depending on the pump charateristics, it could disperse air bubbles which the oil pump/sump can pick up. That would not be a good thing on bearings. No sense in taking that chance in my book.

Don

[nitrosobmw]

Ok I had the discharged below oil level and flip the pump around last night, and now the "in" from turbo is down and the discharged is up above oil level. :stickoutt thanks!

[s52e368]

Ok I had the discharged below oil level and flip the pump around last night, and now the "in" from turbo is down and the discharged is up above oil level. :stickoutt thanks!

mine discharges on the highest point of the drivers side.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g296/CarlPardue/IMG_3926.jpg

[dcvee]

mine discharges on the highest point of the drivers side.


That's EXACTLY what I did on my latest project. Made better sense since the 30deg angle of the engine puts the oil about 2.5"(est) below the bottom of the block on the drivers side. Also, due to my pump location, it's a shorter, easier run with less congestion.

Don

[s52e368]

That's EXACTLY what I did on my latest project. Made better sense since the 30deg angle of the engine puts the oil about 2.5"(est) below the bottom of the block on the drivers side. Also, due to my pump location, it's a shorter, easier run with less congestion.

Don

word

[nitrosobmw]

mine discharges on the highest point of the drivers side.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g296/CarlPardue/IMG_3926.jpg

where exactly did you plug it to on the diver side of the block. :help

[Shuasha]

The dipstick tube should be a clue. He either welded in a bung or tapped the pan.

[nitrosobmw]

heres some pics of my setup,

[3literheater]

Im glad it worked out well. We go one for the turbo project I am working on, but we have not installed it yet.

[SiGmA]

I wonder if I should add a bung, just in case of uncureable smoke. Easier, cleaner, and cheaper to do now.

[s52e368]

heres some pics of my setup,

does HPF suggest a collector ?

[nitrosobmw]

does HPF suggest a collector ?

Didnt talk about that with them, are they running collectors with their kits? I do have a collector, its just not on now since I changed the pump, (put new oil lines) etc. the pump is amazing, with the car off cant even hear it...

[SiGmA]

I would use a vented collector, it is bad for the turbo seals. Call Garrett and ask them about it.

[s52e368]

yea my collector is vented

[3literheater]

When I talked to HPF about it they said you dont need a collector.

[SiGmA]

Your call. Call Garrett. It's not exactly a good idea to pull vacuum on the turbo seals. Run a collector.

[nitrosobmw]

Is the pump really pulling that much vac?

[s52e368]

Is the pump really pulling that much vac?

tilton says theres can pull 8ft vertical. thats a good bit a suck action :D