5mall5nail5
12-10-2008, 01:04 PM
The 1.25 sixty foot time 6 speed challenge
After careful review of SW's 8.04 pass which posted a 1.25 60' time, I am of the opinion that there was a timing error due to excess smoke under the car which was discharged by the wastegate as the car sat on the anti-lag while staged. This smoke interferes with the staging beams and actually prohibits the timing sequence to start when the car leaves. The timers actually start after the smoke clears and the beams connect. This usually happens as the rear wheels pull through the beams. This causes a quicker than actual time to show up on the slip.
I have witnessed this on more than 10 occasions. Errors range from 0.1 to 0.8. Each occasion featured some striking similarities. With the exception of 1 instance where the smoke remaining from a smokey burnout hadn't cleared from underneath a car, all of the errors were from manual transmission turbo cars with a wastegate that discharged underneath the car. All cars were using an anti-lag or two step. The errors tend to happen in a higher frequency the longer the car at the line is sitting on the two step or anti lag while holding/building boost. This causes a significant amount of smoke to collect under the car and creates an impermeable screen which the staging beams cannot break through.
I am the first to brag about SW's accomplishments (and Ryan's and Darrin's and, FINALLY, Saad's!!!) to everyone and anyone who is into racing. I'm still very proud of what we continue to accomplish with a nearly 20 year old design. We did not however, at the current time, accomplish a 1.25 60' while spinning though the 60' while slightly sideways.
There is some controversy regarding my opinion. I am here to tell everyone that I have no interest or motives to discredit anyone's accomplishments. SW's car is the baddest Supra on the planet as far as I'm concerned (even if I strongly believe that the 1.25 60' and thus the 8.04 was an error). I'm in no way saying that it doesn't run low 8's at almost 190 mph. It does and it will only get quicker and faster. We all benefit from the truth in the end. That is what I am here to attempt to ascertain.
I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. I will bet that there is no 6 speed supra than can 60' 1.25 with a pipe extended from the wastegate to the rear of the car. Or, a strong fan blowing by the beams clearing any potential smoke that may become an obstruction. I believe it was NHRA-import that banned wastegates that dump in the front due to the excessive timing errors it was causing in some classes.
Anyone with a 6 speed Supra is invited TX2K9. You're $1000 to my $5000. You get all weekend long, prep the track any way you like, run any tire you want. First one that does a 1.25 or better takes my money.
I am also of the opinion that there are people in SW's camp that share this opinion. They all should know better as Kean's car hasn't ever 60' as good a 1.25.
Hrmm interesting...
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=519047
After careful review of SW's 8.04 pass which posted a 1.25 60' time, I am of the opinion that there was a timing error due to excess smoke under the car which was discharged by the wastegate as the car sat on the anti-lag while staged. This smoke interferes with the staging beams and actually prohibits the timing sequence to start when the car leaves. The timers actually start after the smoke clears and the beams connect. This usually happens as the rear wheels pull through the beams. This causes a quicker than actual time to show up on the slip.
I have witnessed this on more than 10 occasions. Errors range from 0.1 to 0.8. Each occasion featured some striking similarities. With the exception of 1 instance where the smoke remaining from a smokey burnout hadn't cleared from underneath a car, all of the errors were from manual transmission turbo cars with a wastegate that discharged underneath the car. All cars were using an anti-lag or two step. The errors tend to happen in a higher frequency the longer the car at the line is sitting on the two step or anti lag while holding/building boost. This causes a significant amount of smoke to collect under the car and creates an impermeable screen which the staging beams cannot break through.
I am the first to brag about SW's accomplishments (and Ryan's and Darrin's and, FINALLY, Saad's!!!) to everyone and anyone who is into racing. I'm still very proud of what we continue to accomplish with a nearly 20 year old design. We did not however, at the current time, accomplish a 1.25 60' while spinning though the 60' while slightly sideways.
There is some controversy regarding my opinion. I am here to tell everyone that I have no interest or motives to discredit anyone's accomplishments. SW's car is the baddest Supra on the planet as far as I'm concerned (even if I strongly believe that the 1.25 60' and thus the 8.04 was an error). I'm in no way saying that it doesn't run low 8's at almost 190 mph. It does and it will only get quicker and faster. We all benefit from the truth in the end. That is what I am here to attempt to ascertain.
I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. I will bet that there is no 6 speed supra than can 60' 1.25 with a pipe extended from the wastegate to the rear of the car. Or, a strong fan blowing by the beams clearing any potential smoke that may become an obstruction. I believe it was NHRA-import that banned wastegates that dump in the front due to the excessive timing errors it was causing in some classes.
Anyone with a 6 speed Supra is invited TX2K9. You're $1000 to my $5000. You get all weekend long, prep the track any way you like, run any tire you want. First one that does a 1.25 or better takes my money.
I am also of the opinion that there are people in SW's camp that share this opinion. They all should know better as Kean's car hasn't ever 60' as good a 1.25.
Hrmm interesting...
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=519047