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beemer90

11-22-2008, 07:15 PM

RXWLLMSS

11-22-2008, 07:20 PM

Salvage title m5!

top end = 528i :devillook

PavelK313

11-22-2008, 07:44 PM

Salvage title m5!

top end = 528i :devillook

???

Seph540i

11-22-2008, 07:45 PM

There's many stock vehicles under 10k that'll beat a 540i. Doesn't mean they'll be as comfortable or sexy.

fifthand

11-22-2008, 07:47 PM

I've been wanting a 540i for a quite a while, I just haven't had the money because I would be a second car not a replacement. I'm almost ready to buy though.

Anyway are there any other stock vehicles under $10k that can beat a 540 0-60 or topend? The 540 seems like my perfect vehicle and I'm dead set on one, just wondered if there's something I'm missing cause it seems like nothing close to its price can touch it.
Not sure what "faster" means to you but these are just two examples of other brands/models that are in the same class.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=237689044&dealer_id=498107&car_year=2003&rdm=1227401021394&model=E500&num_records=25&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1997&keywordsfyc=&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&keywordsrep=&engine=8+Cylinder&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=used&distance=0&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&showZipError=n&make=MB&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceASC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceASC&address=84101&advanced=y&end_year=2009&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=576

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=255018396&dealer_id=63570049&car_year=2006&rdm=1227401150256&model=M45&num_records=25&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1997&keywordsfyc=&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=used&distance=0&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&showZipError=n&make=INFIN&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceASC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceASC&address=84101&advanced=y&end_year=2009&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=567

Edit: I could have my friend drop a 700 HP crate engine in a cheap chassis for way less than 10k and smoke any E39 in existence on a 1/4 mile. Is that what you mean by "faster"?

beemer90

11-22-2008, 07:48 PM

like I said I'm dead set on a 540, just wondering what other cars in it's price range can beat it.

sovietbmw

11-22-2008, 07:56 PM

gs400

RXWLLMSS

11-22-2008, 08:28 PM

If you have enough money to take good care of a BMW then do it! You won't regret it.

Gopher2k

11-22-2008, 08:32 PM

nice price on that m45. Didn't know they were that cheap. I would buy a car like that for my wife.

Skwisgaar

11-22-2008, 08:36 PM

like I said I'm dead set on a 540, just wondering what other cars in it's price range can beat it.

I've seen (and heard) some POS Mustangs at stoplights that could probably take me, and they could probably be had for 5K... but they don't have what the 540i has. Style, class, panache, and most importantly.... funk. If you ain't got the funk, you just ain't got nothing, baby!

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii295/nc540/silly%20pics/ScannedImage-87.jpg

defaz

11-22-2008, 09:25 PM

I'm pretty positive that infinity is a scam. If you're just looking for a fast car for under 10k then a BMW is not for you.

go buy a trans am or something.

fifthand

11-22-2008, 10:03 PM

I'm pretty positive that infinity is a scam. If you're just looking for a fast car for under 10k then a BMW is not for you.

go buy a trans am or something.
Wurd.

raysadude

11-22-2008, 10:10 PM

gs400

bs!

00BMW540i6

11-22-2008, 10:36 PM

I'm pretty positive that infinity is a scam. If you're just looking for a fast car for under 10k then a BMW is not for you.

go buy a trans am or something.

Yes on the scam. Yes on the Fbody.

I have an LT1 Z28 and it will smoke my 540 but they are completely different cars and I'm damn glad I have the BMW to drive everyday.

KMFDM26

11-22-2008, 11:05 PM

+1 on all the comments

IMHO, I wouldnt buy 2 exact same cars. Maybe 540+525/8/30 or 540+M5 but not 540+540.

Whats going to be the main purpose of this 2nd car? DD? Weekend/summer beast?

EDIT: If it's going to be a weekend toy, I found your future car~http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=245948689&dealer_id=40180330&car_year=1993&rdm=1227413237681&model=8_SERIESCLASS_SERIES&num_records=25&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=0&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&sownerid=67719&showZipError=n&make=BMW&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=1&drive=&default_sort=&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=60563&advanced=&end_year=2009&doors=&transmission=&max_price=15000&cardist=1687 :buttrock

mancim3

11-22-2008, 11:14 PM

Lexus GS 430 is a bit faster, when I had my 540i I lost on a highway run. There is also few 1999-2002 E55 AMGs out there for about 10k$, they will put woopin on 540s, this is from same size class, but Im sure there is faster smaller cars for under 10k out there.

raysadude

11-22-2008, 11:42 PM

gs400 is not faster than 540, i think e39 540 is way underated they should be at least 300 on crank since alot of people dynoed their car around 260ish whp and that makes around 300 on crank. On other hand the gs400 is rated 300 on crank so no the gs400 is NOT faster than any e39 540.

Ray

nickMANDERFIELD

11-22-2008, 11:50 PM

compared to my e36 325 and my friends e36 m3, the 540 is dominant

02325

11-23-2008, 12:28 AM

bmw is not meant to do red light to red light runs. they are meant to accell from 60 mph up to 150+.

I own a 01 WS6 and it will beat any 540 red light to red light. I have way more bottom end tq than a 540, but it has a 5.7 vs a 4.4. that makes a diff also. From a 60 mph pull it is a close race.

as stated how do you describe fast.

FrankMstein

11-23-2008, 06:28 AM

Lscman

11-23-2008, 08:05 AM

........Anyway are there any other stock vehicles under $10k that can beat a 540 0-60 or topend? ..........

Insufficient detail I'm sure. Perhaps you are choosing a larger sedan because you need room for a baby, wife and another child or two? There are so many cheap vehicles out there that can outrun a 280HP 2 ton luxobarge, I can't begin to count them.

Try a $7K used Corvette or Porsche 944T?? I sold my Vette for around $10K a few years ago to buy a 540i and regretted it. Corvettes are available everywhere and the cheaper one's can outrun a most M3 or M5. They are clearly more capable of outgunning an M car when it comes to serious handling venues like autocross or road racing. The fastest M5 or M3 will not touch a 10 year old Vette on any track with corners and older M cars are invariably slower. Fyi, a standard 1992 Corvette goes 157 MPH and runs a 13.5 sec 1/4 mi...that was 15+ years ago. That is close to 13.3s and 155mph top speed M5 territory. The same 17 year old Vette will run par with a new V8 M3 on any road course and it will easily inhale E46/E36/E30 M3 and all M5. Nice Vettes are available for under $10K and they are are low maintenance machines with incredible durability.

If you pay under $10K for a 540i, be prepared to dump a ton of coin into it for ongoing maintance and repair. Purchase price is misleading and generally inversely proportional to cost of ownership lol. It is easily going to cost you more than a $20K Corvette in the next 5 years. Take it from a 540i owner who knows. Your comparison is focused on stock cars, so this leads me to believe that you're not intending on doing the wrenching. Good luck finding affordable service.

If your focus is on straight line performance, you should buy a modified car. I have witnessed Mustangs run a 10 second 1/4 mi while being offered for sale for $5K. This $5K car will put a $150K V12 twin supercharged AMG to shame in a drag race. The number of Mustangs out there capable of running under a 12 sec 1/4 mi is staggering because they virtually all have mods. A 540i will not compare.

PS: You also might want to consider cost of ownership and resale value in your bang for the buck equation. Older sports cars like Corvette have pricing that is bottomed out. You can own one for 5 years and sell it for what you paid for it..or more. Same can not be said for luxobarges of any brand, incl BMW and MB. Nice looking higher mile cars selling for $10K today will be worthless in 5 years and selling for $3K. They are simply too complex and costly to maintain as a driven classic. There are no buyers for 540i in later years with high mileage.

RRDBMW

11-23-2008, 08:32 AM

+1

Insufficient detail I'm sure. Perhaps you are choosing a larger sedan because you need room for a baby, wife and another child or two? There are so many cheap vehicles out there that can outrun a 280HP 2 ton luxobarge, I can't begin to count them.

Try a $7K used Corvette or Porsche 944T?? I sold my Vette for around $10K a few years ago to buy a 540i and regretted it. Corvettes are available everywhere and the cheaper one's can outrun a most M3 or M5. They are clearly more capable of outgunning an M car when it comes to serious handling venues like autocross or road racing. The fastest M5 or M3 will not touch a 10 year old Vette on any track with corners and older M cars are invariably slower. Fyi, a standard 1992 Corvette goes 157 MPH and runs a 13.5 sec 1/4 mi...that was 15+ years ago. That is close to 13.3s and 155mph top speed M5 territory. The same 17 year old Vette will run par with a new V8 M3 on any road course and it will easily inhale E46/E36/E30 M3 and all M5. Nice Vettes are available for under $10K and they are are low maintenance machines with incredible durability.

If you pay under $10K for a 540i, be prepared to dump a ton of coin into it for ongoing maintance and repair. Purchase price is misleading and generally inversely proportional to cost of ownership lol. It is easily going to cost you more than a $20K Corvette in the next 5 years. Take it from a 540i owner who knows. Your comparison is focused on stock cars, so this leads me to believe that you're not intending on doing the wrenching. Good luck finding affordable service.

If your focus is on straight line performance, you should buy a modified car. I have witnessed Mustangs run a 10 second 1/4 mi while being offered for sale for $5K. This $5K car will put a $150K V12 twin supercharged AMG to shame in a drag race. The number of Mustangs out there capable of running under a 12 sec 1/4 mi is staggering. Any 540i will seem slow.

PS: You also might want to consider cost of ownership and resale value in your bang for the buck equation. Older sports cars like Corvette have pricing that is bottomed out. You can own one for 5 years and sell it for what you paid for it..or more. Same can not be said for luxobarges of any brand, incl BMW and MB. Nice looking higher mile cars selling for $10K today will be worthless in 5 years and selling for $3K. They are simply too complex and costly to maintain as a driven classic. There are no buyers for 540i in later years with high mileage.

Lscman

11-23-2008, 08:36 AM

compared to my e36 325 and my friends e36 m3, the 540 is dominant

Compared to your 325, a 15 year old 5.8L Jeep Grand Cherokee SUV is dominant in a straight line. Forget about the newer hemi's lol.

Here's some specs to review for today's Grand Cherokee (with Hennessey option) you can buy at a Dodge Dealer with full warranty:

VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 5-door wagon
Displacement: 373 cu in, 6118cc
Power (mfr's claim): 620 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque (mfr's claim): 650 lb-ft @ 4400 rpm

C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 3.7 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.0 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 28.2 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 4.3 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.2 sec @ 116 mph
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.90 g

AirWreck

11-23-2008, 08:53 AM

bmw is not meant to do red light to red light runs. they are meant to accell from 60 mph up to 150+.

+1 Yes, I take my prey mostly on the highway. Nothing like dropping it down into 3rd at around 55 or so. Progressing up the gears, watch him fall behind your mirrors. See what gives out first - his car or his guts. :evil2

Lscman

11-23-2008, 09:09 AM

+1 Yes, I take my prey mostly on the highway. Nothing like dropping it down into 3rd at around 55 or so. Progressing up the gears, watch him fall behind your mirrors. See what gives out first - his car or his guts. :evil2

Prey...that's just wrong. Testing guts in street racing, especially where the contest starts at 55 MPH and goes upward results in death way too often. I personally know a fellow in prison who displayed your attitude...and his "prey" now lays 6 feet under in a graveyard. What a friggin' winner....I knew this fellow before it happened and his attitude mirrored yours. He was an intelligent kid with little or no sense of restraint. He used commuter traffic like pylons on a regular basis. Don't contribute; visit a road racing track where the course is designed for such use.

AirWreck

11-23-2008, 09:15 AM

Prey? Testing guts in street racing where the contest starts at 55 MPH and goes upward results in death way too often. I know a fellow in prison who displayed such an attitude...and another fellow in a graveyard. Don't contribute; visit a road racing track where the course is designed for such use.

Relax, I've only done that once....twice, tops. I'm not a racer. I'm 39, with 3 kids and a 4th on the way; I know what the risks are. It's just that when you've got a punk in a new GTO messing with you, and a wide stretch of open highway, and that much HP and Tq waiting underneath your right foot... it's a matter of resisting temptation. :evil2

NY Bimmers

11-23-2008, 09:34 AM

the streets are my race track.........

fifthand

11-23-2008, 09:44 AM

Insufficient detail I'm sure. Perhaps you are choosing a larger sedan because you need room for a baby, wife and another child or two? There are so many cheap vehicles out there that can outrun a 280HP 2 ton luxobarge, I can't begin to count them.

Try a $7K used Corvette or Porsche 944T?? I sold my Vette for around $10K a few years ago to buy a 540i and regretted it. Corvettes are available everywhere and the cheaper one's can outrun a most M3 or M5. They are clearly more capable of outgunning an M car when it comes to serious handling venues like autocross or road racing. The fastest M5 or M3 will not touch a 10 year old Vette on any track with corners and older M cars are invariably slower. Fyi, a standard 1992 Corvette goes 157 MPH and runs a 13.5 sec 1/4 mi...that was 15+ years ago. That is close to 13.3s and 155mph top speed M5 territory. The same 17 year old Vette will run par with a new V8 M3 on any road course and it will easily inhale E46/E36/E30 M3 and all M5. Nice Vettes are available for under $10K and they are are low maintenance machines with incredible durability.

If you pay under $10K for a 540i, be prepared to dump a ton of coin into it for ongoing maintance and repair. Purchase price is misleading and generally inversely proportional to cost of ownership lol. It is easily going to cost you more than a $20K Corvette in the next 5 years. Take it from a 540i owner who knows. Your comparison is focused on stock cars, so this leads me to believe that you're not intending on doing the wrenching. Good luck finding affordable service.

If your focus is on straight line performance, you should buy a modified car. I have witnessed Mustangs run a 10 second 1/4 mi while being offered for sale for $5K. This $5K car will put a $150K V12 twin supercharged AMG to shame in a drag race. The number of Mustangs out there capable of running under a 12 sec 1/4 mi is staggering because they virtually all have mods. A 540i will not compare.

PS: You also might want to consider cost of ownership and resale value in your bang for the buck equation. Older sports cars like Corvette have pricing that is bottomed out. You can own one for 5 years and sell it for what you paid for it..or more. Same can not be said for luxobarges of any brand, incl BMW and MB. Nice looking higher mile cars selling for $10K today will be worthless in 5 years and selling for $3K. They are simply too complex and costly to maintain as a driven classic. There are no buyers for 540i in later years with high mileage.
Well said. I completely agree.

Lscman

11-23-2008, 09:48 AM

the streets are my race track.........

That's the common position taken by ignorant & nieve children. When someone gets hurt, I honestly hope you get caught and go to jail for manslaughter or worse. Stupidity is never an excuse. fyi, the fellow I knew who now rots in jail was exactly like you. It DOES happen.

Relax, I've only done that once....twice, tops. I'm not a racer. I'm 39, with 3 kids and a 4th on the way; I know what the risks are. It's just that when you've got a punk in a new GTO messing with you, and a wide stretch of open highway, and that much HP and Tq waiting underneath your right foot... it's a matter of resisting temptation. :evil2

OK, we can all relax because you're very mature compared to him....:lol:help

What I'm reading is you are very careful not to kill yourself because your family relies heavily upon you. Great. Now, what you totally fail to take into account is the "punk in the GTO". He will willingly wrap himself around an oak tree or a third party or YOU while trying to pass the 39 yo mature adult driving the impressively fast 540i. If anything, the understated nature of your vehicle will encourage this kid to take unreasonable risks and go postal. He probably does not possess the necessary driving skill, decision-making skill or common sense and restraint. You have no clue wrt his abilities or even how many beers he had. Your use of the word punk says a lot..I bet he's a kid. You accept a challenge to an illegal deadly game which often results in serious harm or death. You foolishly appear to assume this punk in the GTO will not involve you in the wreck, when he has a serious driving fart. The law will place blame squarely upon you when the punk or any other person is hurt. This was the case with my friend. Maybe ask your wife or child their opinion about it? Maybe they're good with that? Best of luck to your family, friend. Let wifey know visitation is 9-5P.

I have to admit my opinion shifted from your general perspective over the last 10 years....Call me at 49yo after you see another 10 years worth of life experience. There is no excuse for your position. There are enough tracks around with the proper facilities to compete or learn to drive faster or better. I have learned that certain folks stick with risky and illegal street racing to better-maintain their fragile ego. There are fewer competent drivers on the street to put them into their place. Other folks do not attend track because they do not understand how to sign up to participate. It's worth looking into it, even if you drive a Kia.

beemer90

11-23-2008, 11:30 AM

Again, I'm pretty dead set on a 540i. Reason being that I'm a big fan of European cars, they're so much more refined than American, trucks excluded there are only 3 American vehicles I would consider buying(if I ever had the money), 427 AC cobra, Pantera, GT40.

I wanted a sedan because I just like the extra room. Also it had to have a V8 and a stick shift. I love the level of precision of the 540, interior, handling etc. Plus it's fast enough to satisfy my need for speed, someone asked what I describe as fast, 55MPH on up, I like highway performance which is another reason for staying away from American.

In my area good 540s go for around 12K or so which is what I would spend. Only thing I'm nervous about is maintenance cost, I do ALL my own work but I'm worried the cost of parts will be too much.

Reason for this thread was just because I was curious what other cars could run with a 540 in the same price range, not because I want other cars to look at.

AirWreck

11-23-2008, 12:22 PM

Go for it. Be sure to get one with the sport package. The non-sports are too soft, and from what you've said, you won't like it.

If you can do all the work yourself, you should be fine. Aside from something going major wrong, most of what people burn money on is BMW dealer and indy shop labor rates, in my experience And, with the exception of the cooling system, these cars are built like tanks. If you are taking care of regular maintenance items the car should last for a long time.

Also, it's a great highway car -- perfect for dealing with those punks in the new GTOs and Mustangs! :D

JRiggs

11-23-2008, 07:41 PM

from a stand still a gs430 will over take the 540, on the high way the 540 will over take the lexus

racerx0911

11-23-2008, 07:55 PM

i looked at the E55's...

OUDLES

11-23-2008, 09:24 PM

Try a $7K used Corvette or Porsche 944T?? I sold my Vette for around $10K a few years ago to buy a 540i and regretted it. Corvettes are available everywhere and the cheaper one's can outrun a most M3 or M5. They are clearly more capable of outgunning an M car when it comes to serious handling venues like autocross or road racing. The fastest M5 or M3 will not touch a 10 year old Vette on any track with corners and older M cars are invariably slower. Fyi, a standard 1992 Corvette goes 157 MPH and runs a 13.5 sec 1/4 mi...that was 15+ years ago. That is close to 13.3s and 155mph top speed M5 territory. The same 17 year old Vette will run par with a new V8 M3 on any road course and it will easily inhale E46/E36/E30 M3 and all M5. Nice Vettes are available for under $10K and they are are low maintenance machines with incredible durability.

As much as I agree with the majority of your post, I'm seeing a few inacuracies in some of your claims. For example, saying that a 92 Vette can cover the 1/4 in 13.5 seems a bit like BS to me. Everything I've ever known or seen has said that the C5 with the LS1 is usually hitting around a 13.1 on a good day. Now take the older '92 Vette with the LT1, 50 less horsepower, an inferior transmission, and I just don't see it hitting 13.5. I'd give it a low 14 to a very high 13 on a good day.

Depending on the year (I assumed E39 based on the 1/4 time listed)... M5's are far from a top speed of 155. That's where they're governed. Ungoverned the E39 M5 will hit 180ish.

Last and certainly not least. Please show me a '92 Vette eating a new E92 M3 on a track. Stock for stock the M3 will have the Vette for lunch.

Aside from that shennanigans, Vette's are very capable cars and an absolute blast to drive. They're definitely in a different league than the M cars. I highly recommend looking into episode 2 of the most recent Top Gear series. They drive the ZR-1 through the southwest :drool:

BimmerBoy740I

11-24-2008, 07:14 AM

Last and certainly not least. Please show me a '92 Vette eating a new E92 M3 on a track. Stock for stock the M3 will have the Vette for lunch.

I was thinking the same thing. A 10 year old Corvette eating an M3 around a race track???
In a straight line maybe, but around a track...with CORNERS???

KMFDM26

11-24-2008, 09:14 AM

Doru

11-24-2008, 12:36 PM

I'm sure this has been posted before, but here it is (so you can be your own judge, if you buy a car by "speed"):

Year Make & Model (0-60) (1/4 Mile)

Acura

1997 Acura 2.2CL 8.9 16.7
2002 Acura 3.2CL Type S 6.8 15.0
1996 Acura 3.2TL 8.1 16.4
1999 Acura 3.2TL 7.4 15.7
2002 Acura 3.2TL Type S 6.2 14.8
2003 Acura 3.2CL Type-S 6.5 14.9
1986 Acura Integra RS 9.3 17.0
1986 Acura Integra LS 8.8 16.5
1989 Acura Integra LS 9.3 17.1
1990 Acura Integra 3-Dr GS 9.2 16.8
1990 Acura Integra GS 8.9 16.6
1992 Acura Integra GS-R 6.8 15.4
1993 Acura Integra GS-R 6.5 15.2
1994 Acura Integra GS-R 7.1 15.5
1994 Acura Integra LS 7.6 16.0
1996 Acura Integra GS-R 7.1 15.5
1996 Acura Integra SE 7.9 16.1
1997 Acura Integra Type R 6.5 14.7
1986 Acura Legend 8.1 16.2
1986 Acura Legend Sedan 8.1 16.4
1987 Acura Legend Coupe L 7.7 16.0
1988 Acura Legend Coupe L 9.6 17.2
1990 Acura Legend Coupe 9.0 17.0
1991 Acura Legend Coupe 8.8 16.7
1991 Acura Legend LS 7.9 16.1
1991 Acura Legend Sedan 8.3 16.2
1991 Acura Legend Sedan LS 8.1 16.1
1992 Acura Legend LS 7.9 16.1
1993 Acura Legend Coupe 7.5 15.9
1993 Acura Legend Coupe LS 7.3 15.7
1993 Acura Legend LS 6.7 15.4
1991 Acura NSX 5.8 14.4
1992 Acura NSX 5.6 13.9
1993 Acura NSX 5.6 13.9
1994 Acura NSX 5.3 13.6
1996 Acura NSX 5.2 13.8
1996 Acura NSX-T 5.8 14.3
1997 Acura NSX-T 4.8 13.3
2001 Acura NSX V6 4.5 12.9 (C&D TV 2001)
2002 Acura NSX 4.8 13.4
2002 Acura RSX Type S 6.1 14.8
2003 Acura RSX Type S 6.7 15.1
1996 Acura SLX Premium Pkg. 11.1 18.1
2004 Acura TL 6.3 14.8
2004 Acura TL 6 speed 6.0 14.44
2004 Acura TL A Spec 5.7 14.25
2004 Acura TSX 7.5 15.9 (est)
1992 Acura Vigor GS 8.6 16.6
1992 Acura Vigor LS 8.7 16.7

AMC

1981 AMC Eagle (4spd I4) 18.6 21.4
1981 AMC Eagle (4spd I6) 15.3 19.8
1981 AMC Eagle (Auto I6) 15.8 20.5
1974 AMC Gremlin 17.8 18.8
1977 AMC Gremlin X 17.9 20.8
1973 AMC Hornet Hatchback 360ci 8.6 16.5
1973 AMC Hornet Sportabout 10.7 17.1
1974 AMC Hornet 4dr 258ci 15.6 19.4
1974 AMC Hornet 360ci 8.5 17.0
1976 AMC Hornet Sportabout 18.3 20.1
1973 AMC Javelin AMX 401ci 7.7 15.5
1974 AMC Javelin 304ci 11.2 17.3
1974 AMC Matador 360ci 11.8 17.9
1974 AMC Matador 401ci 8.5 16.0
1975 AMC Pacer 14.6 19.4

Audi

1988 Audi 80 9.6 17.1
1988 Audi Quattro 80 9.1 16.7
1989 Audi Quattro 80 10.3 17.2
1992 Audi 80 9.7 17.5
1988 Audi 90 8.9 16.7
1988 Audi 90 Quattro 9.5 17.0
1991 Audi 90 Quattro 20V 9.4 16.9
1992 Audi 90 Quattro 8.2 16.3
1993 Audi 90 CS Quattro Sport 8.8 16.7
1992 Audi 100 8.4 16.5
1992 Audi 100 CS 9.6 17.2
1992 Audi 100 S 9.4 17.2
1993 Audi 100 S 8.9 17.0
1993 Audi 100 CS Quattro Wagon 11.2 18.0
1980 Audi 4000 11.5 N/A
1984 Audi 4000S Quattro 10.2 17.3
1985 Audi 4000S 10.3 17.4
1985 Audi 4000S Quattro 9.2 16.8
1980 Audi 5000 Turbo 9.1 17.0
1980 Audi 5000S Diesel 20.4 21.9
1981 Audi 5000S Diesel 20.5 N/A
1981 Audi 5000 Turbo 9.4 N/A
1983 Audi 5000S 10.8 17.8
1983 Audi 5000 Turbo 11.6 18.4
1984 Audi 5000S Turbo 10.5 17.5
1984 Audi 5000S Wagon 11.2 18.0
1985 Audi 5000S Turbo Quattro 8.3 16.4
1986 Audi 5000S 11.6 18.4
1986 Audi 5000 Turbo Quattro 8.2 16.1
1988 Audi 5000S Quattro 9.7 17.0
1995 Audi A6 9.2 16.9
1996 Audi A6 Quattro Wagon 10.1 17.5
1999 Audi A6 2.8 Quattro Wagon-9.1, n/a
1996 Audi A4 8.9 16.8
1997 Audi A8 Quattro 6.7 15.0
1998 Audi A4 Quattro 8.8 N/A
1998 Audi A6 Quattro 8.7 16.6
1999 Audi A4 1.8t Quattro 9.5 n/a
2003 Audi A4 3.0 Cabriolet 7.5 15.9
2003 Audi A4 Avant 3.0 Quattro 7.7 15.9
1994 Audi Cabriolet 9.7 17.1
1982 Audi Coupe 11.2 N/A
1983 Audi Coupe 11.2 18.1
1984 Audi Coupe GT 10.5 17.7
1985 Audi Coupe GT 9.0 16.6
2003 Audi Allroad 2.7t twin turbo 7.7 N/A
2006 Audi RS 4 Quattro 4.8 13.3 (C&D Sept '05)
2003 Audi RS6 4.3 12.63 (R&T Online)
1992 Audi S4 6.1 14.9
1993 Audi S4 6.5 15.1
2000 Audi S4 5.5 14.1
2004 Audi S4 4.9 n/a
2001 Audi S8 5.8 14.4
2000 Audi TT Quattro Roadster 6.2 14.7
2003 Audi TT 1.8 Quattro 7.3 15.7
1990 Audi V8 9.3 17.0
1990 Audi V8 Quattro 9.3 16.9
1991 Audi V8 6.8 15.1
1993 Audi V8 Quattro 7.2 15.6
1982 Audi Quattro 8.2 16.2
1985 Audi Quattro Turbo 7.2 15.5
1990 Audi Quattro Coupe 8.8 16.5
1991 Audi Quattro 20 7.2 15.4

Aston Martin

1999 Aston Martin DB7 5.7 14.3
2000 Aston Martin DB7 Vantage 5.1 13.6
2002 Aston Martin DB7 Vantage Volante 5.0 13.4
2002 Aston Martin V-12 Vanquish 4.4 12.9

Bentley

2006 Bentley Continental Flying Spur (twin-turbo W-12) 4.6 13.1 (R&T Aug. '05)

BMW

1971 BMW 1600 11.6 18.2
1968 BMW 2002 11.3 17.9
1983 BMW 318i 9.6 17.3
1984 BMW 318i 11.6 18.3
1990 BMW 318is 8.8 16.5
1991 BMW 318is 10.0 17.3
1992 BMW 318i 9.7 17.2
1994 BMW 318is 10.1 17.5
1995 BMW 318i 8.8 16.6
1995 BMW 318i Conv. 9.7 17.4
1995 BMW 318ti 8.9 16.6
1996 BMW 318ti 8.4 16.4
1977 BMW 320i 12.3 18.2
1980 BMW 320i 12.1 18.7
1980 BMW 320i Turbo 7.3 15.6
1984 BMW 325e 8.4 16.3
1985 BMW 325e 9.2 16.6
1986 BMW 325es 8.6 16.4
1987 BMW 325es 9.0 16.7
1988 BMW 325is 7.5 15.7
1988 BMW 325iX 7.9 15.9
1988 BMW 325i Conv. 7.7 15.7
1989 BMW 325i 7.5 15.5
1990 BMW 325i 7.8 16.0
1992 BMW 325i 7.8 15.8
1993 BMW 325i 8.4 16.5
1993 BMW 325is 7.4 15.7
1994 BMW 325i 7.4 15.5
1994 BMW 325is 7.2 15.9
1994 BMW 325i Conv. 7.3 15.9
1995 BMW 325i 7.7 16.0
1995 BMW 325i Conv. 9.1 16.9
1996 BMW 328i Sport 6.4 15.0
1998 BMW 328is 6.2 14.7
1999 BMW 328i 6.9 15.2
2001 BMW 330i 6.1 14.8
1979 BMW 528i 8.2 N/A
1982 BMW 528e 10.3 17.5
1983 BMW 533i 7.7 15.8
1985 BMW 524td 11.7 18.2
1986 BMW 524td 11.0 18.1
1986 BMW 535i 7.9 16.1
1989 BMW 535i 7.0 15.5
1990 BMW 525i 8.0 16.1
1990 BMW 535i 8.6 16.5
1991 BMW 525i 8.4 16.2
1992 BMW 525i 9.6 17.5
1993 BMW 525i Touring 10.0 17.8
1993 BMW 535i 8.2 16.3
2003 BMW 525i wagon-8.9, n/a
1993 BMW 540i 6.9 15.3
1994 BMW 530i 7.0 15.5
1994 BMW 530i Touring 8.9 16.7
1994 BMW 540i 7.9 16.0
1995 BMW 540i 6.2 14.8
1996 BMW 525i Touring 8.8 16.8
1996 BMW 540i Sport 5.8 14.4
1997 BMW 528i (auto) 7.5 15.8
1997 BMW 528i (manual) 6.8 15.3
2001 BMW 528i 7.8 16.1
1997 BMW 540i 6.2 14.6
1998 BMW 540i Sport 5.5 14.0
2001 BMW 540i (Automatic) 5.7 14.3
2001 BMW 540i 6-Speed 5.5 14.0
1977 BMW 630CSi 11.0 17.3
1983 BMW 633CSi 7.7 16.0
1985 BMW 635CSi 8.2 16.0
1987 BMW 635CSi 8.5 16.3
1988 BMW 635CSi 7.7 16.0
1980 BMW 733i (4spd) 8.4 16.6
1980 BMW 733i (Auto) 10.5 17.5
1982 BMW 745i 8.5 16.6
1986 BMW 735i 9.1 16.7
1987 BMW 735i 9.1 16.8
1988 BMW 735i 9.3 17.0
1988 BMW 750iL 6.5 14.8
1990 BMW 735i 10.3 17.4
1991 BMW 750iL 6.5 14.8
1993 BMW 740i 6.8 15.3
1993 BMW 750iL 7.7 15.8
1994 BMW 740iL 7.7 15.9
1994 BMW 750iL 7.7 15.9
1995 BMW 740i 8.4 16.6
1995 BMW 740iL 7.9 16.0
1995 BMW 750iL 6.3 14.8
1996 BMW 740i 7.7 15.9
1996 BMW 750iL 6.4 14.7
1999 BMW 750iL 7.3 15.5
1991 BMW 850i 7.4 15.6
1992 BMW 850i 7.3 15.6
2003 BMW 760il 5.7, n/a
1994 BMW 840Ci 7.4 15.6
1994 BMW 850CSi 5.3 13.9 (C&D April '94)
1994 BMW 850i 6.3 14.9
1998 BMW M Roadster 5.1 13.7
2002 BMW M Roadster 4.5 13.1
1999 BMW M Coupe 5.4 13.8
1981 BMW M1 6.2 14.6
1987 BMW M3 8.1 16.1
1988 BMW M3 7.1 15.4
1995 BMW M3 6.2 14.6
1995 BMW M3 Lightweight 5.3 13.9
1996 BMW M3 Automatic 6.7 15.3
1996 BMW M3 Luxury 6.6 14.9
1998 BMW M3 Sedan 5.5 14.0
2001 BMW M3 Coupe (U.S.) 4.8 n/a
2001 BMW M3 Convertible (U.S.) 5.4 n/a
2002 BMW M3 4.7 13.4
1988 BMW M5 6.3 14.6
1991 BMW M5 6.5 14.9
1993 BMW M5 6.2 14.6
2001 BMW M5 4.7 13.2
2002 BMW M5 4.8 13.3
1988 BMW M6 7.0 15.5
1997 BMW Z3 2.8 6.2 14.7
2001 BMW Z8 4.6 13.0
2002 BMW Z8 4.5 12.8
2002 BMW X5 4.6is 6.5 15.1
2003 BMW X5 3.0i 8.1 16.2
2003 BMW Z4 3.0i 5.4 14.2

Buick

1974 Buick Apollo 250ci N/A 20.4
1974 Buick Apollo 350ci 9.5 18.0
1973 Buick Century GS 455ci 7.4 15.3
1980 Buick Century Limited 13.2 19.2
1983 Buick Century T Type 14.1 19.5
1975 Buick Electra 455ci 12.6 17.8
1985 Buick Electra T Type 11.4 18.0
1986 Buick Electra T Type 12.5 19.0
1990 Buick LeSabre Limited 9.5 17.1
1992 Buick LeSabre Limited 8.8 16.6
1991 Buick Park Avenue Ultra 9.6 17.1
1994 Buick Park Avenue Ultra 7.3 15.5
1997 Buick Park Avenue Ultra 707 15.8
1988 Buick Reatta 8.9 16.8
1974 Buick Regal 350ci 11.9 18.0
1974 Buick Regal 455ci 8.5 16.7
1984 Buick Regal T Type 8.0 15.9
1985 Buick Regal Grand National 7.5 15.7
1986 Buick Regal Grand National 4.9 13.9
1987 Buick Regal GNX 4.7 13.5
1988 Buick Regal Custom 11.2 18.2
1990 Buick Regal Limited 9.1 16.8
1992 Buick Regal GS 9.0 17.0
1995 Buick Regal GS 8.2 16.0
1997 Buick Regal GS 6.6 15.0
1998 Buick Regal GS 6.7 15.1
1997 Buick Regal LS 7.8 16.0
2002 Buick Rendezvous CXL 9.9 17.4
2003 Buick Rendezvous CXL 10.6 17.8
1973 Buick Riviera 455ci 9.6 17.2
1980 Buick Riviera Type S 11.3 19.2
1983 Buick Riviera Convertible 14.8 19.7
1983 Buick Riviera T Type 10.8 17.9
1986 Buick Riviera T Type 9.9 17.2
1991 Buick Riviera Convertible 11.0 17.8
1995 Buick Riviera 7.8 15.9
1993 Buick Roadmaster 9.0 16.9
1995 Buick Roadmaster Limited 6.7 15.0
1980 Buick Skylark Sedan 11.6 18.3
1980 Buick Skylark Sport Coupe 11.7 18.3
1980 Buick Skylark (4spd) 13.8 19.5
1980 Buick Skylark (Auto) 13.3 19.7
1992 Buick Skylark GS 10.3 17.6

Cadillac

1987 Cadillac Allante 9.3 17.1
1988 Cadillac Allante 9.5 17.2
1990 Cadillac Allante 7.9 16.1
1992 Cadillac Allante 6.7 14.9
1991 Cadillac Brougham 9.4 17.1
2002 Cadillac CTS 7.2 15.4
2003 Cadillac CTS 7.0 15.5
2004 Cadillac CTS-V 5.1 13.4
2004 Cadillac CTS 3.6l 6.6 15.0
1997 Cadillac Catera 8.5 16.5
1982 Cadillac Cimarron 15.9 20.3
1985 Cadillac Cimarron V-6 9.8 17.2
1986 Cadillac Cimarron V-6 10.5 17.9
1975 Cadillac Coupe DeVille 500ci 11.9 18.1
1994 Cadillac DeVille Concours 7.8 15.8
1995 Cadillac DeVille Concours 6.9 15.2
1996 Cadillac DeVille Concours 7.2 15.4
1998 Cadillac DeVille Concours 6.9 15.1
1979 Cadillac Eldorado (Gas) 9.8 17.9
1979 Cadillac Eldorado (Diesel) 16.9 20.7
1979 Cadillac Eldorado (Turbo Diesel) 15.2 20.1
1992 Cadillac Eldorado TC 8.2 16.5
1993 Cadillac ETC 6.7 15.0
1995 Cadillac ETC 6.6 14.8
2002 Cadillac Escalade EXT 7.9 15.8
1973 Cadillac Fleetwood 472ci 10.2 17.6
1985 Cadillac Fleetwood 11.7 18.2
1993 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham 9.2 16.9
1993 Cadillac Fleetwood 10.0 17.5
1990 Cadillac Sedan de Ville 8.8 16.6
1976 Cadillac Seville 350ci 12.9 18.8
1977 Cadillac Seville 350ci 13.7 18.2
1980 Cadillac Seville Elegante 10.6 17.9
1981 Cadillac Seville Diesel 21.0 N/A
1986 Cadillac Seville 11.7 18.2
1991 Cadillac STS 8.6 16.6
1992 Cadillac STS 8.1 16.2
1993 Cadillac STS 7.2 15.4
1995 Cadillac STS 6.4 14.7
1996 Cadillac STS 6.4 14.7
1998 Cadillac STS 6.8 15.1
2001 Cadillac Seville STS 6.5 14.8
1986 Cadillac Touring Sedan 12.0 18.6
2004 Cadillac XLR 5.9 14.4

Chevrolet

1993 Chevrolet 454 SS 7.2 15.8 (MT Jun '93)
2002 Chevrolet Avalanche Z71 8.3 16.5
2002 Chevrolet Avalanche 2500 (auto) 8.8 16.6 (MT Feb. '02)
1987 Chevrolet Beretta GT 8.3 16.3
1990 Chevrolet Beretta GT 8.6 16.4
1990 Chevrolet Beretta GTZ 7.7 16.1
1991 Chevrolet Beretta GTZ 7.7 16.1
1967 Chevrolet Camaro SS-350 8.0 15.4
1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL-1 5.3 11.68 (Book:Ultimate Performance Cars '05)
1972 Chevrolet Camaro Budget GT 10.5 17.6
1972 Chevrolet Camaro Luxury GT 9.8 17.2
1972 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 7.5 15.5
1974 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 8.1 15.4
1975 Chevrolet Camaro 350 11.0 17.4
1975 Chevrolet Camaro RS 8.5 16.8
1982 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 9.7 N/A
1983 Chevrolet Camaro 9.5 17.5
1983 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 H.O. 6.7 15.0
1984 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta 9.3 17.0
1985 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta 10.0 17.0
1985 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z28 7.0 15.2
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 6.6 14.9
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z L98 6.8 15.3
1988 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 7.0 15.5
1990 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 5.8 14.4
1990 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 6.5 15.0
1992 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 6.7 15.2
1993 Chevrolet Camaro V-6 9.0 16.6
1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.8 14.4
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Conv. 6.2 14.5
1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1995 Chevrolet Camaro 3800 7.4 15.7
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.1
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.3 13.8
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.2 13.7
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.2 13.6
1973 Chevrolet Caprice Classic 454ci 8.7 17.0
1976 Chevrolet Caprice Classic 400ci 12.8 17.6
1980 Chevrolet Caprice Classic 18.5 21.4
1980 Chevrolet Caprice Wagon (Gas) 13.9 20.0
1980 Chevrolet Caprice Wagon (Diesel) 19.6 21.7
1992 Chevrolet Caprice Classic LTZ 10.3 17.4
1993 Chevrolet Caprice Classic 8.5 16.6
1983 Chevrolet Cavalier 13.1 19.1
1983 Chevrolet Cavalier CL Type-10 12.3 18.6
1985 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24 9.5 16.9
1986 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24 8.5 16.7
1993 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24 8.3 17.3
1995 Chevrolet Cavalier LS 10.9 18.0
1996 Chevrolet Cavalier LS 8.3 16.1
1973 Chevrolet Chevelle Laguana 454ci 9.5 16.7
1974 Chevrolet Chevelle 400ci 11.4 18.0
1975 Chevrolet Chevelle 400ci 11.4 17.7
1976 Chevrolet Chevette Rallye 19.7 20.6
1980 Chevrolet Chevette 15.8 20.3
1980 Chevrolet Citation 10.3 N/A
1981 Chevrolet Citation XII 9.2 17.0
1983 Chevrolet Citation XII 9.9 17.3
1984 Chevrolet Celebrity EuroSport 10.6 17.6
1986 Chevrolet Celebrity CL EuroSport 10.7 17.9
2005 Chevrolet Cobalt SS 6.1 14.6 (C&D Sept '05)
1989 Chevrolet Corsica LTZ 9.3 17.2
1957 Chevrolet Corvette 6.6 14.2
1965 Chevrolet Corvette 6.2 14.9
1967 Chevrolet Corvette L71 5.6 13.8
1968 Chevrolet Corvette 327 7.7 15.6
1968 Chevrolet Corvette 427 6.3 14.1
1970 Chevrolet Corvette 427 6.1 14.3
1975 Chevrolet Corvette 350 9.6 16.4
1976 Chevrolet Corvette 350 8.1 16.5
1977 Chevrolet Corvette 8.8 16.6
1979 Chevrolet Corvette L82 7.3 15.7
1980 Chevrolet Corvette L82 7.4 15.4
1982 Chevrolet Corvette 9.2 16.6
1984 Chevrolet Corvette 6.7 15.1
1985 Chevrolet Corvette 5.7 14.1
1985 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 4.9 13.1
1986 Chevrolet Corvette 5.8 14.4
1986 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible 6.0 14.5
1988 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible 6.0 14.6
1988 Chevrolet Corvette Z51 6.0 14.6
1990 Chevrolet Corvette 5.7 14.3
1990 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 4.4 12.8
1991 Chevrolet Corvette L98 5.3 13.9
1991 Chevrolet Corvette Roadster 5.6 14.1
1992 Chevrolet Corvette LT1 5.7 14.1
1992 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 5.6 13.9
1993 Chevrolet Corvette LT1 5.3 13.9
1993 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 5.2 13.6
1994 Chevrolet Corvette LT1(auto) 5.5 14.1
1994 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 4.7 13.1
1995 Chevrolet Corvette LT1 5.2 13.7
1995 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 4.9 13.1
1996 Chevrolet Corvette Collectors' 4.9 13.3
1996 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport 4.7 13.3
1997 Chevrolet Corvette 4.7 13.3
1998 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible 5.1 13.5
1999 Chevrolet Corvette Hardtop 4.8 13.3
2001 Chevrolet Corvette C5-R 3.5 10.3
2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 4.6 13.0
2001 Chevrolet Corvette Coupe 4.8 13.1
2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 4.1 12.5
2002 Chevrolet Corvette (Lingenfelter 427 twin turbo) 1.97 9.24
2003 Chevrolet Corvette (50th Anniversary) Manual, 4.9 13.4 (R&T Aug. '02)
2006 Chevrolet Corvette ZO6 3.5 11.5 (MT Oct '05)
1994 Chevrolet Impala SS 7.1 15.4
1995 Chevrolet Impala SS 7.0 15.4
1996 Chevrolet Impala SS 7.3 15.6
1973 Chevrolet Laguana 454ci 8.0 15.7
1990 Chevrolet Lumina APV 12.2 18.7
1990 Chevrolet Lumina Euro Sedan 9.9 17.3
1991 Chevrolet Lumina Z34 7.5 15.8
1992 Chevrolet Lumina APV 11.4 18.4
1995 Chevrolet Lumina 9.5 17.0
1995 Chevrolet Lumina LS 9.5 17.0
1998 Chevrolet Lumina LTZ 7.6 15.8
1975 Chevrolet Monte Carlo 400ci 10.2 17.5
1980 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Turbo 11.9 18.9
1981 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Turbo 11.9 19.0
1983 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS 8.2 16.1
1985 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS 7.8 15.9
1995 Chevrolet Monte Carlo 7.8 16.0
1995 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z34 7.8 15.5
1998 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z34 7.5 15.7
2000 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS 7.9 16.1
2002 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS (auto) 8.6 16.6 (C&D Nov. '02)
1975 Chevrolet Monza 2+2 262ci (V 12.6 19.0
2004 Chevrolet Malibu 7.8 15.9 (est)
1973 Chevrolet Nova 350ci 9.7 17.4
1974 Chevrolet Nova 350ci 10.0 16.8
1975 Chevrolet Nova 350ci 10.8 17.3
1985 Chevrolet Nova CL 12.4 18.7
1986 Chevrolet Nova CL 13.0 18.8
1988 Chevrolet Nova Twin Cam 8.9 16.7
1985 Chevrolet Spectrum 14.0 19.4
1984 Chevrolet Sprint 14.5 20.3
1985 Chevrolet Sprint 13.0 18.9
1987 Chevrolet Sprint 13.4 19.1
1988 Chevrolet Sprint 4-door 14.6 19.2
1971 Chevrolet Vega 2300 16.5 20.3
1972 Chevrolet Vega Wagon 16.1 20.7
1974 Chevrolet Vega 18.5 21.0

Chrysler

2005 Chrysler 300C 5.6 14.1
1999 Chrysler 300M 7.9 16.0
1999 Chrysler 300M w/ Perf. Pkg. 7.7 15.9
2002 Chrysler 300M Special 7.4 15.6 (MT, Aug '02)
1994 Chrysler Cirrus LXi 10.3 17.5
1995 Chrysler Cirrus LXi 9.4 17.2
1931 Chrysler CG Custom Imperial Lebaron Sports Roadster 385ci 20.0 21.5
1993 Chrysler Concorde 8.7 16.2
1998 Chrysler Concorde LXi 8.1 16.0
2004 Chrysler Crossfire (6 speed) 6.4 14.7
1981 Chrysler Imperial 12.2 19.1
1984 Chrysler Laser XE 8.6 16.2
1985 Chrysler Laser XE 8.1 16.0
1973 Chrysler LeBaron Imperial 440ci 11.8 18.1
1985 Chrysler LeBaron GTS Turbo 8.1 16.2
1987 Chrysler LeBaron 8.8 16.8
1987 Chrysler LeBaron Convertible 11.3 18.2
1990 Chrysler LeBaron GTC 7.2 15.8
1994 Chrysler LHS 8.7 16.5
1980 Chrysler New Yorker Fifth Avenue 14.1 19.8
1995 Chrysler New Yorker 8.9 16.7
2004 Chrysler Pacifica AWD 9.3 17.1
2003 PT Cruiser GT (Turbo) w/auto 7.2 15.7
2003 PT Cruiser 10.9 18.2
1995 Chrysler Sebring LX 8.6 16.6
1996 Chrysler Sebring JXi Conv. 10.0 17.4
1998 Chrysler Sebring JXi Conv. 10.2 17.6
1967 Chrysler Sunbean Tiger II 7.5 16.0
1989 Chrysler TC by Masterati 6.9 15.4

Dodge

1983 Dodge 600ES 11.8 18.5
1995 Dodge Avenger 10.0 17.1
1995 Dodge Avenger ES 9.3 17.1
1974 Dodge Challenger 318ci 9.6 16.9
1982 Dodge Challenger 12.1 18.4
1973 Dodge Charger SE 440ci 7.4 15.2
1977 Dodge Charger 400ci 11.8 17.4
1982 Dodge Charger 2.2 10.1 N/A
1983 Dodge Charger - Shelby 10.0 17.5
1972 Dodge Colt Wagon 16.7 21.3
1974 Dodge Colt 13.4 18.9
1974 Dodge Colt GT N/A 19.4
1977 Dodge Colt 1600 14.5 19.8
1979 Dodge Colt Hatchback 10.4 N/A
1980 Dodge Colt RS 11.1 18.1
1984 Dodge Colt Vista 13.2 19.0
1986 Dodge Colt Turbo 9.2 16.8
1974 Dodge Coronet 360ci 9.5 16.6
1973 Dodge Dart Sport 318ci 8.8 16.7
1990 Dodge Daytona ES 8.4 16.2
1993 Dodge Daytona IROC R/T 6.3 14.8
1993 Dodge Intrepid ES 8.8 16.5
1994 Dodge Intrepid 10.3 17.5
1998 Dodge Intrepid 8.9 16.7
2000 Dodge Intrepid R/T 7.8 16.0
2005 Dodge Magnum R/T AWD 5.9 14.5 (C&D Aug '05)
2005 Dodge Magnum SRT8 5.1 13.6 (C&D Sept '05)
1995 Dodge Neon Sport Coupe 8.0 16.2
1996 Dodge Neon Highline 9.1 16.8
1998 Dodge Neon R/T 7.5 15.9
2000 Dodge Neon R/T 7.7 16.4
2000 Dodge Neon ES 8.8 16.9
2001 Dodge Neon R/T 7.6 16.1
1985 Dodge Omni GLH 9.4 17.2
1986 Dodge Omni GLH Turbo 8.1 16.2
1986 Dodge Shelby GLHS 6.5 14.8
1987 Dodge Shelby GLHS 6.7 14.9
1987 Dodge Shelby CSX 7.0 15.4
1991 Dodge Spirit R/T 6.5 15.0
1992 Dodge Spirit ES 11.0 17.9
2003 Dodge SRT-4 5.6 14.1
2004 Dodge SRT-4 5.3 13.9
1991 Dodge Stealth ES 7.1 15.6
1991 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo 6.0 14.5
1992 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo 5.7 14.2
1995 Dodge Stratus ES 9.4 17.0
2001 Dodge Stratus R/T 7.4 15.7
2002 Dodge Stratus R/T 8.7 16.7
2003 Dodge Stratus R/T 7.2 15.9
1992 Dodge Viper RT/10 4.8 13.1
1993 Dodge Viper RT/10 4.5 13.2
1996 Dodge Viper RT/10 5.0 13.2
1997 Dodge Viper GTS 4.0 12.2
1998 Dodge Viper GTS 4.1 12.2
1998 Dodge Viper RT/10 4.1 12.3
2001 Dodge Viper GTS ACR 4.3 12.6
1996-2002 Viper Hennessey Venom 1000TT 2.3 9.52
2003 Dodge Viper SRT-10 3.9 11.7

Eagle

1988 Eagle Premier ES 10.5 17.7
1992 Eagle Summit AWD Wagon 11.0 17.9
1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD 6.8 15.1
1992 Eagle Talon TSi AWD 6.7 15.2
1994 Eagle Talon TSi AWD 6.6 14.6
1995 Eagle Talon TSi 6.4 15.1
1997 Eagle Talon ESi 8.3 16.4
1993 Eagle Vision ESi 10.4 17.7
1993 Eagle Vision TSi 8.9 16.6

Ferrari

1967 Ferrari 275 GTS/4 NART 6.7 14.7
1977 Ferrari 308 GTB 8.2 17.0
1980 Ferrari 308 GTS 6.9 14.9
1981 Ferrari 308 - Dino GT4 7.8 N/A
1981 Ferrari 308 GTSi 7.9 N/A
1983 Ferrari 308 GTBi Quattrovalvole 6.8 15.2
1986 Ferrari 328 GTS 5.6 14.2 (C&D May 86)
1988 Ferrari 328 GTS 6.7 15.0
1968 Ferrari 330 GTS 6.9 14.9
1970 Ferrari 330 GTS 6.9 14.9
1995 Ferrari 333 SP 3.6 11.3
1990 Ferrari 348 tb 6.0 14.3
1993 Ferrari 348 tb Serie Speciale 5.6 14.0
1993 Ferrari 348 Spider 5.6 14.1
1998 Ferrari 355 F1 4.6 13.0
2001 Ferrari 360 Spider F1 4.6 13.2
1986 Ferrari 412 6.7 15.0
1994 Ferrari 456 GT 4.8 13.3
1995 Ferrari 456 GT 5.1 13.4
1997 Ferrari 456 GTA 4.9 13.3
1998 Ferrari 456M 5.2 13.5
1978 Ferrari 512 Berlinetta Boxer 5.5 N/A
1982 Ferrari 512 Berlinetta Boxer 5.1 13.5
1992 Ferrari 512 TR 4.7 12.9
2000 Ferrari 550 Maranello 4.2 12.7
2001 Ferrari 550 Barchetta Pininfarina 4.9 13.3
2003 Ferrari 575M Maranello F1 4.2 12.6
1973 Ferrari Dino Spyder 8.8 15.3
1974 Ferrari Dino 7.1 15.5
1995 Ferrari F355 Berlinetta 4.7 12.8
1996 Ferrari F355 Spider 4.9 13.4
1997 Ferrari F355 Berlinetta 4.8 13.2
1992 Ferrari F40 3.8 11.8
1986 Ferrari GTO 5.0 14.1
1982 Ferrari Mondial 8 9.4 17.1
1984 Ferrari Mondial Cabriolet 7.6 16.0
1986 Ferrari Mondial 3.2 7.1 15.3
1991 Ferrari Mondial t Cabrio 6.6 15.0
2005 Ferrari 612 Scaglietti 4.612.8 (R&T Sept '05)
1985 Ferrari Testarossa 5.3 13.6
1986 Ferrari Testarossa 5.3 13.4
1989 Ferrari Testarossa 6.2 14.2

Fiat

1968 Fiat PBS 1000 11.7 18.3
1971 Fiat 124 Coupe 12.2 18.6
1972 Fiat 128 SL 16.3 20.0
1974 Fiat 128 12.3 19.5
1968 Fiat 850 Spider 20.0 21.7
1968 Fiat 850 Idromatic 25.5 23.3
1970 Fiat 850 Racer 17.9 21.0
1972 Fiat Wagon 19.1 21.5
1974 Fiat X 1/9 11.0 18.9
1976 Fiat X 1/9 14.0 20.8

Ford

1971 Ford Capri 2000 11.5 18.5
1995 Ford Contour SE 9.5 17.2
1999 Ford Contour SVT 6.8 15.2 (C&D April 99)
1991 Ford Crown Victoria LX 9.9 17.4
1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX 9.5 17.1
2005 Ford Crown Victoria LX 8.1 16.2
1985 Ford EXP Turbo 9.3 16.8
1981 Ford Escort 14.67 19.7
1986 Ford Escort 1.9 11.7 18.1
1987 Ford Escort L 11.4 18.2
1990 Ford Escort GT 8.9 16.8
1991 Ford Escort GT 8.0 16.3
1992 Ford Escort LX-E 9.3 17.0
1993 Ford Escort GT 8.4 16.5
1993 Ford Escort LX Wagon 12.8 19.1
1994 Ford Escort LX Sedan 11.1 17.8
1997 Ford Escort LX Sedan 10.9 18.1
1998 Ford Escort ZX2 7.4 15.7
2002 Ford Expedition XLT 9.5 17.1
2003 Ford Expedition 9.5 17.0
1987 Ford Festiva L 10.2 17.8
2001 Ford Focus ZX3 8.7 16.8
2002 Ford Focus SVT 7.8 16.1
2003 Ford Focus SVT 7.7 15.9
2003 Ford Focus ZTS 8.2 16.1
2004 Ford Focus Saleen N2O 5.8 14.0 (saleen.com)
1999 Ford F-150 Lightning 5.8 14.3
2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 5.2 13.9
2004 Ford F-150 4.6l 9.9 17.4
2005 Ford GT 3.6 11.78
1977 Ford Granada 302ci 14.2 18.6
1973 Ford LTD Brougham 429ci 10.4 17.5
1976 Ford LTD 460ci 11.3 18.2
1980 Ford LTD 302ci 12.5 19.2
1974 Ford Maverick 302ci 10.5 17.4
1964 Ford Mustang (289ci V8 w/4spd) 7.5 15.7
1966 Ford Mustang (289ci V8 Auto) 10.9 17.9
1967 Ford Mustang (390ci V8 w/4spd) 7.4 15.6
1971 Ford Mustang (351ci V8 w/4spd) 5.8 13.8
1973 Ford Mustang 351ci 8.9 16.3
1974 Ford Mustang II 4sp 14.2 18.8
1974 Ford Mustang II Auto 15.6 19.4
1975 Ford Mustang II (302ci V8 w/3spd) 9.6 17.5
1977 Ford Mustang II 302ci 11.3 17.7
1980 Ford Mustang (255ci) 11.8 18.5
1980 Ford Mustang Cobra (225ci) 11.3 18.4
1981 Ford Mustang M81 McLaren (2.3L Turbo) 9.7 17.3
1982 Ford Mustang GT 8.0 N/A
1984 Ford Mustang SVO 7.9 15.8
1985 Ford Mustang GT 6.4 14.9 (C&D, Jan. 85)
1987 Ford Mustang GT 6.4 14.4 (Automobile, April 87)
1988 Ford Mustang GT 6.4 15.0 (MT Jan '8
1989 Ford Mustang GT 5.0l Manual 6.2 14.8 (MT Jan '89)
1990 Ford Mustang LX 5.0 6.4 14.9
1991 Ford Mustang GT 7.3 15.6
1992 Ford Mustang LX 5.0 6.2 14.8
1993 Ford Mustang Cobra 5.9 14.5
1993 Ford Mustang GT (auto) 8.0 16.1
1994 Ford Mustang Cobra 5.4 14.0
1994 Ford Mustang GT 6.7 15.1
1995 Ford Mustang 3.8 9.9 17.3
1995 Ford Mustang Cobra R 5.2 13.8
1996 Ford Mustang Cobra 5.4 14.0
1998 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 5.4 14.0
1999 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 5.4 13.9
1999 Ford Mustang Convertible V6 8.6 16.5
1999 Ford Mustang GT 5.5 14.1
2001 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.8 13.5
2003 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.5 12.9
2004 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.5 12.9
2004 Ford Mustang GT 6.3 14.8
2005 Ford Mustang LX 4.0l 6.9 15.3 (C&D Feb 05)
2005 Ford Mustang GT 4.6L V8 5.1 13.5 (MT Jan 05)
2005 Ford Mustang GT Convertible 5.2 13.8 (MT Apr 05)
2001 Ford Mustang Roush Stage 3 4.3 12.9
2003 Ford Mustang Mach 1 (5 Speed) 5.6 13.2 (MT Feb, 2005)
1971 Ford Pinto 1600 18.0 21.1
1972 Ford Pinto Wagon 16.8 20.8
1973 Ford Pinto 13.7 18.7
1974 Ford Pinto 14.5 19.3
1975 Ford Pinto 14.3 19.4
1980 Ford Pinto (4spd) 15.8 20.8
1980 Ford Pinto (Auto) 15.4 20.1
1988 Ford Probe GT 7.3 15.6
1990 Ford Probe GT 7.6 16.0
1990 Ford Probe LX 8.2 16.2
1992 Ford Probe GT 7.9 16.0
1993 Ford Probe GT 7.5 15.8
1994 Ford Probe GT 7.5 15.7
1988 Ford Taurus 3.8 9.3 17.2
1989 Ford Taurus SHO 6.6 15.2
1991 Ford Taurus SHO 7.7 16.2
1992 Ford Taurus LX 9.4 17.0
1992 Ford Taurus SHO 7.5 15.4
1992 Ford Taurus LX Wagon 10.9 17.9
1993 Ford Taurus GL 11.1 18.0
1993 Ford Taurus SHO 7.5 17.0
1994 Ford Taurus GL 10.0 17.5
1994 Ford Taurus LX 9.2 17.0
1995 Ford Taurus SHO 7.7 15.8
1996 Ford Taurus 8.7 16.5
1996 Ford Taurus GL 10.0 17.5
1996 Ford Taurus LX Wagon 8.9 16.7
2000 Ford Taurus SE 8.0 16.1
1984 Ford Tempo GLX 13.6 18.9
1992 Ford Tempo GLS 10.2 17.6
1968 Ford Galaxie 500 10.0 17.5
1973 Ford Grand Torino Squire 400ci 11.1 19.0
1973 Ford Torino 351ci 8.8 16.3
1974 Ford Torino 460ci 8.7 16.4
1975 Ford Torino 400ci 11.9 18.2
1955 Ford Thunderbird 292ci 11.5 18.0
1973 Ford Thunderbird 460ci 9.0 17.4
1980 Ford Thunderbird 302ci 11.1 18.0
1983 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe 9.7 17.1
1987 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe 8.5 16.3
1989 Ford Thunderbird SC 7.4 15.9
1990 Ford Thunderbird SC 7.4 15.8
1991 Ford Thunderbird LX 9.0 16.7
1993 Ford Thunderbird SC 7.2 15.7
1994 Ford Thunderbird LX V6 8.8 16.4
1995 Ford Thunderbird SC 7.0 15.2
1996 Ford Thunderbird LX V8 7.9 15.8
2002 Ford Thunderbird 7.0 15.2
2002 Ford Thunderbolt SLP 4.0l 6.5 14.9
1996 Ford Saleen S351R Speedster 5.2 13.7
2000 Ford Saleen S281 Supercharged 5.1 13.8

Geo

1993 Geo Metro LSi Convertible 13.8 19.4
1995 Geo Metro LSi 12.7 18.8
1990 Geo Prizm GSi 10.0 17.3
1993 Geo Prizm LSi 10.7 17.7
1993 Geo Storm GSi 8.7 16.7

GMC
1991 GMC Syclone 5.3 14.1 (M/T Sept 91)
1993 GMC Typhoon 5.3 14.1 (M/T June 93)

Honda

1976 Honda Accord 13.8 20.0
1981 Honda Accord 13.4 N/A
1982 Honda Accord LX 13.0 18.0
1986 Honda Accord LXi 9.8 17.3
1990 Honda Accord EX 10.0 17.2
1991 Honda Accord EX Wagon 9.4 17.0
1992 Honda Accord EX 9.8 17.4
1993 Honda Accord LX 10.1 17.6
1994 Honda Accord EX 9.3 17.1
1994 Honda Accord EX Coupe 9.2 16.9
1995 Honda Accord LX 8.5 16.5
1995 Honda Accord LX V-6 9.1 17.1
1996 Honda Accord EX V-6 8.8 16.8
1998 Honda Accord LX 7.8 16.1
1999 Honda Accord Coupe LX V-6 7.4 15.8
2001 Honda Accord LX V-6 8.3 16.6
2003 Honda Accord EX V-6 Coupe 6.2 14.5
2004 Honda Accord EX Sedan V-6 5 Speed 7.0 15.5
2004 Honda Accord EX Coupe V-6 6 Speed 5.9 14.5
2003 Honda Accord Sedan (I-4) 8.0 16.0
1973 Honda Civic 19.3 23.6
1974 Honda Civic 15.7 18.5
1976 Honda Civic 14.3 18.8
1980 Honda Civic 1500GL 11.2 18.1
1981 Honda Civic 15.1 N/A
1985 Honda Civic Wagon 11.9 18.5
1985 Honda Civic S 11.1 18.2
1987 Honda Civic Hatchback 13.6 19.3
1991 Honda Civic EX Sedan 9.7 17.2
1992 Honda Civic EX Sedan 9.4 17.0
1992 Honda Civic Si 8.5 16.4
1992 Honda Civic Si Hatchback 8.4 16.5
1993 Honda Civic Coupe EX 8.4 16.5
1993 Honda Civic del Sol Si 8.8 16.8
1994 Honda Civic del Sol VTEC 7.4 15.8
1994 Honda Civic EX Sedan 8.8 16.8
1995 Honda Civic EX 8.8 16.8
1996 Honda Civic Coupe HX 9.4 17.1
1996 Honda Civic EX Sedan 10.5 17.6
1996 Honda Civic DX 8.5 16.7 (C&D June, 96)
1996 Honda Civic LX Sedan 9.4 17.2
1998 Honda Civic GX (CNG.) 11.9 18.1
1999 Honda Civic Si 7.2 15.7
2000 Honda Civic EX Coupe 8.4 16.7
1984 Honda (Civic) CRX 10.1 17.6
1986 Honda (Civic) CRX Si 8.7 16.7
1988 Honda CRX Si 8.2 16.4
1991 Honda CRX Si 8.7 16.5
1995 Honda Odyssey EX 10.3 18.3
1980 Honda Prelude 11.5 N/A
1983 Honda Prelude 9.7 17.2
1984 Honda Prelude 9.7 17.2
1988 Honda Prelude 2.0 Si 4ws 9.3 16.8
1988 Honda Prelude Si 4WS 9.1 17.1
1992 Honda Prelude Si 4WS 7.8 15.9
1994 Honda Prelude VTEC 7.2 15.1
1995 Honda Prelude VTEC 6.7 15.1
1999 Honda Prelude 6.8 15.4
2000 Honda Prelude 6.8 15.4
2003 Honda Pilot EX 8.1 16.3
2004 Honda Pilot 7.6 15.9
2000 Honda S2000 5.5 14.2
2003 Honda S2000 6.3 14.9 (Manual)
2004 Honda S2000 5.8 14.2 (MT Mar '04)

Hyundai

1995 Hyundai Accent 11.2 18.2
2000 Hyundai Accent GSI 10.0 16.5
2002 Hyundai Accent 11.7 18.4
2003 Hyundai Accent GT 10.0 17.4
1992 Hyundai Elantra GLS 10.5 17.7
1986 Hyundai Excel GLS 12.9 19.0
1987 Hyundai Excel GL 14.0 19.4
1990 Hyundai Excel GLS 12.5 18.6
1991 Hyundai Scoupe 11.9 18.4
1993 Hyundai Scoupe Turbo 8.3 16.3
1995 Hyundai Sonata GLS 9.8 17.5
1999 Hyundai Sonata GLS 10.3 17.5
1998 Hyundai Tiburon FX 8.4 16.5
2002 Hyundai Tiburon GT V-6 7.1 15.6
2001 Hyundai XG300 9.3 17.1
2002 Hyundai XG350 8.1 16.3

Hummer - AM General

2002 Hummer H2 10.2 17.6
2003 Hummer H2 10.7 17.6

Infiniti

1991 Infiniti G20 8.6 16.6
1994 Infiniti G20t 8.4 16.5
1990 Infiniti M30 Coupe 10.0 17.4
1995 Infiniti I30 7.8 16.0
1996 Infiniti I30t 7.7 15.8
1992 Infiniti J30 8.9 16.7
1992 Infiniti J30t 9.2 16.8
1993 Infiniti J30t 9.0 16.8
2003 Infiniti G35 Sedan 6.2 14.8
2003 Infiniti G35 Coupe 5.5 14.2
2004 Infiniti G35 Sport Sedan 6.2 14.6
2003 Infiniti G35 6.2 14.7 (R&T July '02)
1990 Infiniti Q45 7.2 15.4
1991 Infiniti Q45 7.3 15.6
1993 Infiniti Q45 7.5 15.6
1994 Infiniti Q45t 7.2 15.4
1995 Infiniti Q45t 7.9 16.2
1997 Infiniti Q45t 7.5 15.7
1999 Infiniti Q45t 7.7 15.8

Isuzu

1989 Isuzu Amigo 14.2 19.5
1998 Isuzu Amigo 8.0 16.1
1996 Isuzu Hombre XS 12.1 18.8
1983 Isuzu I-Mark Diesel 19.9 21.7
1986 Isuzu I-Mark 12.0 19.0
1989 Isuzu I-Mark RS Turbo 8.9 16.8
1984 Isuzu Impulse 12.9 19.0
1986 Isuzu Impulse Turbo 8.5 16.4
1991 Isuzu Impulse XS 9.3 16.9
1992 Isuzu Impulse RS 7.7 15.8
1991 Isuzu Stylus XS 9.6 17.0

Jaguar

2000 Jaguar S-Type 3.0 8.7 16.8
2004 Jaguar S-Type R 5.2 13.7
1981 Jaguar XJ6 Series III (auto) 10.6 N/A
1986 Jaguar XJ6 Vanden Plas 12.3 18.9
1987 Jaguar XJ6 (auto) 11.5 18.3
1989 Jaguar XJ6 10.0 17.5
1990 Jaguar XJ6 Sovereign 9.0 16.8
1990 Jaguar XJ6 Vanden Plas 9.2 16.9
1996 Jaguar XJ6 7.6 15.8
1998 Jaguar XJ8 L 6.7 15.0
1993 Jaguar XJ12 Sedan 7.5 15.9
1994 Jaguar XJ12 7.7 15.9
1991 Jaguar XJR-15 4.5 12.6
1993 Jaguar XJR-S Coupe 7.0 15.2
1995 Jaguar XJR 6.6 14.9
1997 Jaguar XJR 6.8 15.1
1998 Jaguar XJR 5.2 13.7
1976 Jaguar XJ-S 8.9 15.9
1981 Jaguar XJ-S (auto) 7.8 N/A
1983 Jaguar XJ-S HE (auto) 8.2 16.3
1987 Jaguar XJ-S 8.7 16.5
1987 Jaguar XJ-SC 8.8 16.7
1989 Jaguar XJ-S V-12 Conv. 9.9 17.5
1992 Jaguar XJS 8.3 16.3
1993 Jaguar XJS Coupe 7.8 15.9
1997 Jaguar XK8 Conv. 6.7 15.0
2000 Jaguar XKR 5.6 14.2
2001 Jaguar X-Type 3.0 6.3 14.9

Jeep
2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee Ltd 5.7 Hemi 7.0 15.2 (C&D Nov 04)

Kia

1994 Kia Sephia GS 10.2 17.5
1996 Kia Sephia LS 10.7 18.0

Lamborghini

1979 Lamborghini Countach S 5.9 N/A
1982 Lamborghini Countach S 5.7 14.1
1986 Lamborghini Countach 5000S 5.2 13.7
1991 Lamborghini Diablo 4.4 13.2
1992 Lamborghini Diablo 4.5 13.3
1995 Lamborghini Diablo VT 4.7 13.2
2000 Lamborghini Diablo VT 4.3 12.2
1983 Lamborghini Jalpa 7.3 15.4
1968 Lamborghini Miura V12 6.3 14.5
1970 Lamborghini Miura S 5.5 13.9
2002 Lamborghini Murcielago 3.6 12.0

Lexus

1992 Lexus ES 300 8.6 16.6
1994 Lexus ES 300 8.7 16.6
1995 Lexus ES 300 8.4 16.4
1997 Lexus ES 300 8.0 16.1
1993 Lexus GS 300 9.2 16.8
1994 Lexus GS 300 9.4 16.8
1998 Lexus GS 300 7.6 15.7
1998 Lexus GS 400 5.8 14.3
2002 Lexus GS 430 5.8 14.3 (Lexus.com)
2003 Lexus GX 470 7.7 16.0
2001 Lexus IS 300 7.6 15.3
1990 Lexus LS 400 8.1 16.1
1992 Lexus LS 400 8.0 16.0
1993 Lexus LS 400 8.2 16.2
1995 Lexus LS 400 7.4 15.5
1998 Lexus LS 400 6.3 14.8
2001 Lexus LS 430 6.7 14.8
1996 Lexus LX 450 10.4 17.8
1999 Lexus LX 470 9.4 17.2
1999 Lexus RX 300 8.8 16.8
2004 Lexus RX 330 7.6 15.9
1992 Lexus SC 300 7.8 15.8
1992 Lexus SC 400 7.2 15.4
1993 Lexus SC 300 7.4 15.7
1993 Lexus SC 400 7.2 15.4
1995 Lexus SC 400 7.0 15.2
2002 Lexus SC 430 6.2 14.6

Lincoln

1980 Lincoln Continental Mark VI 11.0 17.9
1990 Lincoln Continental 11.4 18.4
1995 Lincoln Continental 7.7 15.9
2000 Lincoln LS V8 7.5 15.7
2002 Lincoln LS 7.9 16.1
1986 Lincoln Mark VII LSC 8.4 16.6
1992 Lincoln Mark VII LSC 7.8 16.2
1993 Lincoln Mark VIII 7.1 15.4
1995 Lincoln Mark VIII 7.6 15.8
1996 Lincoln Mark VIII 7.2 15.4
1998 Lincoln Mark VIII LSC 7.0 15.3
1973 Lincoln Town Car 460ci 10.4 17.6
1975 Lincoln Town Car Coupe 460ci 10.5 17.9
1990 Lincoln Town Car 10.2 17.5
1998 Lincoln Town Car Touring Sedan 7.9 16.1
2003 Lincoln Town Car 9.5 16.8
1977 Lincoln Versailles 351ci 12.6 18.4
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Lotus

1967 Lotus Elan SE 8.0 16.4
1991 Lotus Elan SE 6.6 15.2
1970 Lotus Europa S2 11.2 18.2
1974 Lotus Europa 9.4 16.9
1984 Lotus Turbo Esprit 6.6 15.3
1987 Lotus Turbo Esprit 5.6 14.3
1988 Lotus Esprit Turbo 5.8 14.4
1989 Lotus Esprit Turbo 5.2 13.6
1990 Lotus Esprit Turbo SE 5.1 13.7
1991 Lotus Turbo Esprit X-180R 4.6 13.2
1993 Lotus Esprit Turbo S4 4.8 13.3
1996 Lotus Esprit S4S 4.7 13.3
1998 Lotus Esprit V8 Turbo 4.4 12.8
2005 Lotus Elise (Sport Pack) 4.7 N/A (Lotuscars.com)

Maserati

2005 Maserati Quattroporte 5.1 n/a
2004 Maserati Quattroporte 5.9 n/a
2004 Maserati Trofeo 4.0 n/a

Mazda

2004 Mazda 6s 3.0L 5 speed 6.4 15.1 (C&D June 04)
1986 Mazda 323 LX (auto) 11.1 18.2
1987 Mazda 323 1.6i 10.0 17.6
1989 Mazda 323 GTX 8.7 16.7
1980 Mazda 626 Turbo 10.5 17.7
1980 Mazda 626 Sedan 14.4 N/A
1983 Mazda 626 12.4 18.6
1987 Mazda 626 GT 7.8 16.0
1993 Mazda 626 ES 7.7 16.0
1993 Mazda 626 LX (auto) 11.4 18.3
1995 Mazda 626 LS V-6 9.5 17.4
1998 Mazda 626 LX 9.1 17.0
1999 Mazda 626 LX 7.5 15.7
1974 Mazda 808 14.6 18.6
1989 Mazda 929 10.0 17.5
1990 Mazda 929 S 10.0 17.5
1992 Mazda 929 8.9 16.7
1977 Mazda Cosmo 11.0 17.8
1979 Mazda GLC 14.0 19.4
1981 Mazda GLC 13.9 N/A
1981 Mazda GLC 4-door 14.3 N/A
1981 Mazda GLC Sport 13.6 19.2
1990 Mazda Miata 9.4 16.9
1991 Mazda Miata 9.1 16.7
1994 Mazda Miata 9.7 17.0
1996 Mazda Miata 8.7 16.6
1999 Mazda Miata 7.9 15.9
2001 Mazda Miata MX5 7.9 15.9
1994 Mazda Millenia S 7.6 15.8
1995 Mazda Millenia S 8.0 16.0
2000 Mazda Millenia S ME 8.5 16.6
1976 Mazda Mizer 18.5 20.8
1992 Mazda MX-3 GS 9.2 16.8
1993 Mazda MX-3 10.3 17.6
1990 Mazda MX-5 Miata 9.5 17.0
1991 Mazda MX-5 Miata 9.5 17.0
1994 Mazda MX-5 Miata 8.8 16.6
2001 Mazda MX-5 Miata 8.1 16.3
2006 Mazda MX-5 Miata 6.7 15.2 (C&D Sept '05)
1988 Mazda MX-6 7.5 15.7
1993 Mazda MX-6 LS 7.4 15.7
1994 Mazda MX-6 LS 7.6 15.8
1990 Mazda Protege 9.1 16.8
1990 Mazda Protege LX 8.9 16.8
1995 Mazda Protege ES 8.7 16.6
1995 Mazda Protege LX 10.6 17.8
2000 Mazda Protege ES 8.9 16.8
1971 Mazda RX-2 Coupe 10.0 17.6
1972 Mazda RX-3 Wagon 11.1 18.1
1974 Mazda RX-4 Coupe 9.4 16.5
1974 Mazda RX-4 Wagon 9.7 17.0
1976 Mazda RX-4 Wagon 14.3 19.5
1979 Mazda RX-7 GS 9.2 17.0
1982 Mazda RX-7 GSL 9.7 N/A
1983 Mazda RX-7 GS 9.5 17.0
1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE 7.8 15.9
1985 Mazda RX-7 GSL 9.9 17.4
1986 Mazda RX-7 GXL 8.5 16.5
1987 Mazda RX-7 Turbo 6.6 15.2
1988 Mazda RX-7 Conv. 9.7 17.5
1989 Mazda RX-7 GTU 8.5 16.5
1989 Mazda RX-7 Turbo 6.7 15.1
1990 Mazda RX-7 GTU 8.6 16.7
1990 Mazda RX-7 Turbo II 6.3 14.9
1991 Mazda RX-7 Conv. 8.8 16.7
1991 Mazda RX-7 Infini IV 7.0 14.9
1993 Mazda RX-7 5.5 14.0
1993 Mazda RX-7 R1 5.3 13.9
1994 Mazda RX-7 5.3 14.0
1994 Mazda RX-7 Touring 6.0 14.5 (auto)
1995 Mazda RX-7 R2 5.0 14.0
2004 Mazda RX-8 5.8 14.49 (6 speed) (MT Mar '04)

McLaren

1997 McLaren F1 3.9 11.7 (MT Aug 2001)

Mercedes

1984 Mercedes-Benz 190E 11.2 18.1
1986 Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.3 9.9 17.5
1987 Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16 7.8 16.2
1989 Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.6 8.7 16.8
1992 Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.3 11.4 18.4
1980 Mercedes-Benz 240D (4spd) 19.7 21.4
1968 Mercedes-Benz 280SL 9.9 17.1
1971 Mercedes-Benz 280SEL 4.5 11.2 18.1
1973 Mercedes-Benz 280 11.1 17.1
1977 Mercedes-Benz 280E 11.9 18.3
1981 Mercedes-Benz 380SEL 10.1 N/A
1981 Mercedes-Benz 300TD 13.2 N/A
1982 Mercedes-Benz 380SEC 10.4 N/A
1982 Mercedes-Benz 380SL 11.5
1983 Mercedes-Benz 380SEC 10.4 17.9
1983 Mercedes-Benz 380SL 10.9 18.4
1987 Mercedes-Benz 300TD 10.3 17.5
1987 Mercedes-Benz 300E 7.5 16.0
1990 Mercedes-Benz 300E 8.7 16.8
1990 Mercedes-Benz 300E 4Matic 9.2 17.0
1990 Mercedes-Benz 300SL 9.1 17.0
1991 Mercedes-Benz 300CE 24V 8.5 16.6
1991 Mercedes-Benz 300SE 9.2 17.0
1992 Mercedes-Benz 300E 8.6 16.6
1993 Mercedes-Benz 300CE Conv. 8.1 16.1
1988 Mercedes-Benz 420SEL 8.7 16.7
1992 Mercedes-Benz 400E 7.6 15.8
1993 Mercedes-Benz 400E 7.2 15.4
1984 Mercedes-Benz 500SEC 9.0 17.0
1985 Mercedes-Benz 500SEL 8.9 17.0
1986 Mercedes-Benz 560SL 7.5 15.8
1987 Mercedes-Benz 560SEC 7.0 15.5
1987 Mercedes-Benz 560SL 7.5 15.8
1989 Mercedes-Benz 560SL 6.8 15.2
1990 Mercedes-Benz 500SL 6.4 14.9
1991 Mercedes-Benz 500SL 6.1 14.4
1992 Mercedes-Benz 500E 6.2 14.6
1992 Mercedes-Benz 500SEL 7.4 15.7
1993 Mercedes-Benz 500E 6.3 14.7
1994 Mercedes-Benz 500SL 6.3 14.6
1993 Mercedes-Benz 600SEC 6.5 14.8
1993 Mercedes-Benz 600SEL 6.6 15.2
1994 Mercedes-Benz 600SEL 6.7 14.9
1998 Mercedes-Benz A160 10.3 17.7
1995 Mercedes-Benz C36 6.0 14.5
1997 Mercedes-Benz C36 5.9 14.4
1998 Mercedes-Benz C43 5.8 14.4
2002 Mercedes-Benz C32 AMG 5.1 13.6
1994 Mercedes-Benz C220 8.7 16.9
1996 Mercedes-Benz C220 9.0 16.9
1999 Mercedes-Benz C230 Komp. 7.6 15.7
2001 Mercedes-Benz C240 8.8 16.7
1994 Mercedes-Benz C280 7.8 16.1
1994 Mercedes-Benz C280 (auto) 8.4 16.5
1995 Mercedes-Benz C280 7.9 16.0
1996 Mercedes-Benz C280 Sport 7.3 15.8
2001 Mercedes-Benz C320 Sport 7.5 15.8
2002 Mercedes-Benz C320 6.8 15.1
1998 Mercedes-Benz CLK320 6.8 15.2
1999 Mercedes-Benz CLK430 6.1 14.5
2001 Mercedes-Benz CLK55 AMG 5.0 13.6
1999 Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR 3.4 9.4
1999 Mercedes-Benz CL600 6.2 14.4
2001 Mercedes-Benz CL600 5.7 14.2
1995 Mercedes-Benz E320 Cabriolet (auto) 8.7 16.5
1996 Mercedes-Benz E320 7.1 15.4
1995 Mercedes-Benz E420 (auto) 7.1 15.3
1998 Mercedes-Benz E430 Sport 6.1 14.5
2001 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG 5.0 13.6
2003 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG 4.2 12.39 (R&T Online)
1998 Mercedes-Benz ML320 8.9 16.8
1999 Mercedes-Benz ML320 9.0 16.8
1999 Mercedes-Benz ML430 8.2 16.4
2000 Mercedes-Benz S500 6.1 14.5
2006 Mercedes-Benz S500 5.4 n/a (C&D Sept '05)
2001 Mercedes-Benz S600 5.4 13.9
1997 Mercedes-Benz SLK230 6.9 15.2
2002 Mercedes-Benz SLK32 AMG 4.5 13.0

Mercury

1974 Mercury Capri 2.8l N/A 17.3
1975 Mercury Capri II 10.6 18.1
1983 Mercury Capri 7.8 16.1
1991 Mercury Capri XR2 8.3 16.3
1974 Mercury Comet LDO 302ci N/A 17.7
1980 Mercury Cougar XR7 11.1 18.0
1989 Mercury Cougar XR7 SC 7.4 15.7
1990 Mercury Cougar XR7 SC 7.4 15.7
1991 Mercury Cougar LS 9.4 17.1
1994 Mercury Cougar LS 8.5 16.4
1999 Mercury Cougar 7.7 16.0
2001 Mercury Cougar V-6 7.8 16.1
1995 Mercury Grand Marquis LS 8.4 16.3
1982 Mercury LN7 15.0 20.0
1977 Mercury Monarch 302ci 14.4 20.1
2003 Mercury Marauder 6.9 15.4
1987 Mercury Sable LS 11.7 18.7
1990 Mercury Sable GS 10.1 17.5
1992 Mercury Sable LS 9.6 17.4
1997 Mercury Sable LS 8.4 16.4
2000 Mercury Sable LS 8.6 16.8
1987 Mercury Tracer 10.3 17.6
1991 Mercury Tracer LTS 8.7 16.7
1980 Mercury Zephyr 4dr 4spd 14.9 19.8

MG

1976 MGB 18.5 21.0
1967 MG Midget III 14.7 19.9
1976 MG Midget 16.4 20.7

Mitsubishi

1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT SL 8.5 16.4
1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.3 13.8
1992 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.8 14.3
1993 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.3 14.0
1994 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.7 14.2
1995 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.4 13.5
1997 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 4.8 13.6
1983 Mitsubishi Cordia 13.2 19.1
1984 Mitsubishi Cordia Turbo 9.5 17.0
1987 Mitsubishi Cordia Turbo 8.5 16.5
1991 Mitsubishi Diamante LS 9.0 16.7
1992 Mitsubishi Diamante LS 8.9 16.6
1993 Mitsubishi Diamante Wagon 10.1 17.5
1997 Mitsubishi Diamante LS 8.1 16.1
1989 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS 7.2 15.8
1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T 7.4 15.9
1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T (Auto) 7.4 15.5 (MT June, 94)
1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 6.9 15.2
1992 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 7.0 15.3
1992 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS Turbo 6.7 15.3 (MT Sept, 92)
1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 6.8 15.2
1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS 9.0 16.6
1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 6.4 14.9
2000 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT 7.0 15.4
2006 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT 5.8 14.4
1985 Mitsubishi Galant (auto) 14.4 20.3
1989 Mitsubishi Galant GS 9.7 18.2
1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 7.3 15.6
1993 Mitsubishi Galant GS 8.3 16.4
1993 Mitsubishi Galant LS 9.4 17.2
1999 Mitsubishi Galant GTZ 9.0 16.7
2003 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII 5.1 13.5
2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII 4.8 13.4
1985 Mitsubishi Mirage Turbo 10.4 18.1
1987 Mitsubishi Mirage 12.0 18.6
1989 Mitsubishi Mirage Turbo 8.0 16.2
1993 Mitsubishi Mirage Coupe LS 11.0 18.0
1994 Mitsubishi Mirage Coupe LS 8.7 16.6
1984 Mitsubishi Starion 9.2 17.0
1986 Mitsubishi Starion ES 7.5 16.0
1986 Mitsubishi Starion ESI-R 8.3 16.2
1984 Mitsubishi Tredia Turbo 9.0 16.7

Mosler

2002 Mosler MT900 Photon 3.1 11.0

Nissan / Datsun

1977 Datsun 200SX 14.6 20.8
1985 Nissan 200SX Turbo 9.5 16.9
1995 Nissan 200SX SE-R 8.2 16.4
1997 Nissan 200SX SE-R 7.8 16.1
1989 Nissan 240SX 8.8 16.5
1990 Nissan 240SX SE 8.8 16.5
1991 Nissan 240SX SE 7.9 16.1
1993 Nissan 240SX Convertible 9.6 17.3
1993 Nissan 240SX SE 8.4 16.3
1995 Nissan 240SX SE 8.3 16.1
1995 Nissan 240SX SE-R 8.0 15.8
1970 Datsun 240Z 8.7 17.1
1971 Datsun 240Z (Auto) 10.4 17.6
1971 Datsun 240Z N/A 17.1
1972 Datsun 240Z 9.0 16.3
1974 Datsun 260Z 9.9 16.7
1983 Datsun 280ZX 9.4 16.9
1983 Datsun 280ZX Turbo 7.3 15.7
1985 Nissan 300ZX 8.2 16.4
1985 Nissan 300ZX Turbo (auto) 7.4 15.7
1987 Nissan 300ZX 2+2 8.8 16.5
1989 Nissan 300ZX 7.1 15.5
1990 Nissan 300ZX 7.1 15.5
1990 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 6.5 15.0
1990 Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo 5.6 14.1
1991 Nissan 300ZX 2+2 7.5 15.9
1991 Nissan 300ZX Turbo (auto) 7.0 15.4
1992 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.7 14.2
1993 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.2 13.8
1994 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 6.0 14.4
1995 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.5 13.9
2003 Nissan 350z 5.4 14.1
2004 Nissan 350z Roadster 5.7 14.3
2004 Nissan 350Z 5.3 13.77 (M.T. Mar '04)
2005 Nissan 350Z 35th Anniversary Edition 6 Speed 5.8 14.3 (C&D Apr '05)
1971 Datsun 510 2dr 8.7 17.1
1973 Datsun 610 15.1 19.5
1974 Datsun B210 sedan 17.9 19.7
1974 Datsun B210 2-door Hatchback 22.6 24.8
1974 Datsun 610 N/A 19.3
1974 Datsun 710 13.4 18.6
1975 Datsun B210 17.8 20.8
1976 Datsun B210 (4spd) 17.2 21.2
1976 Datsun B210 (5spd) 17.4 20.8
1977 Datsun 810 12.1 18.0
1967 Datsun 2000 Sports 10.2 17.3
1968 Datsun 1600 Sports 13.3 19.9
1973 Datsun 1200 16.5 19.6
1993 Nissan Altima SE 8.2 16.4
1993 Nissan Altima GXE (auto) 9.6 17.2
1994 Nissan Altima GXE 9.4 16.9
1998 Nissan Altima 8.2 16.4
1976 Datsun F-10 14.2 20.4
1985 Nissan Maxima SE 8.6 16.7
1989 Nissan Maxima SE 8.9 16.9
1992 Nissan Maxima SE 7.3 15.7
1994 Nissan Maxima SE (auto) 8.8 16.7
1995 Nissan Maxima SE (manual) 6.6 15.2
1997 Nissan Maxima SE 7.1 15.5
2002 Nissan Maxima SE 6.0 14.7
1991 Nissan NX 2000 7.8 16.1
1993 Nissan NX 1600 9.9 17.3
1983 Nissan Pulsar NX 12.8 18.8
1989 Nissan Pulsar NX SE 10.3 17.8
1983 Nissan Sentra XE Hatchback 15.0 19.9
1987 Nissan Sentra 11.8 18.6
1987 Nissan Sentra SE Sport Coupe 13.3 19.0
1992 Nissan Sentra SE-R 8.1 16.2
1993 Nissan Sentra SE-R 7.6 15.8
1994 Nissan Sentra SE-R 7.4 15.8
2002 Nissan Sentra SE-R 7.2 15.4
2003 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V 7.3 15.6
1995 Nissan Sentra GLE 11.0 18.1
1995 Nissan Sentra GXE 9.6 17.3
2003 Nissan Sentra GXE 9.0 17.0
1982 Nissan Stanza 11.3 18.2
1992 Nissan Stanza 8.3 16.0

Opel

1970 Opel GT 10.8 17.6
1976 Opel Isuzo Coupe 12.7 18.3
1974 Opel Manta N/A 18.3
1972 Opel Wagon 16.1 20.7

Oldsmobile

1969 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 HO 455ci 5.9 13.9
1992 Oldsmobile Achieva SC 7.3 15.9
1992 Oldsmobile Achieva SCX 8.0 16.2
1995 Oldsmobile Aurora 8.2 16.3
1991 Oldsmobile Bravada 12.1 18.5
1974 Oldsmobile Cutlass 350ci 9.0 17.6
1975 Oldsmobile Cutlass 350ci 11.7 18.0
1980 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 14.2 19.6
1981 Oldsmobile Cutlass Diesel (auto) 18.2 N/A
1988 Oldsmobile Cutlass Int (auto) 11.4 18.3
1990 Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais Quad 442 7.7 16.1
1991 Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais Int. HO Quad 4 7.5 16.0
1993 Oldsmobile Cutlass Conv. 8.5 16.5
1994 Oldsmobile Eighty Eight LSS 8.0 16.5
1998 Oldsmobile Intrigue 7.7 15.8
1991 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight 9.7 17.2
1990 Oldsmobile Silhouette 11.6 18.4
1994 Oldsmobile Silhouette 9.7 17.2
1973 Oldsmobile Toronado 455ci 10.6 17.7

Plymouth

1992 Plymouth Acclaim 11.2 17.9
1976 Plymouth Arrow GT 12.0 19.0
1966 Plymouth Barracuda 273ci 12.9 17.8
1967 Plymouth Barracuda 225ci 13.6 19.4
1968 Plymouth Barracuda 340ci 7.1 14.9
1968 Plymouth 'Cuda 440 5.6 14.0
1970 Plymouth AAR 'Cuda 5.8 14.3
1996 Plymouth Breeze (auto) 12.5 18.9
1996 Plymouth Breeze 9.9 17.5
1984 Plymouth Colt Turbo 9.4 17.2
1974 Plymouth Duster 360ci 8.2 15.8
1976 Plymouth Gran Fury 400ci 12.2 18.2
1969 Plymouth GTX 440 5.8 13.7
1980 Plymouth Horizon 14.0 N/A
1987 Plymouth Horizon 10.2 17.7
1990 Plymouth Laser RS Turbo 6.9 15.4
1992 Plymouth Laser RS Turbo 7.1 15.0
1994 Plymouth Neon Highline 8.4 16.3
1995 Plymouth Neon Sport 8.4 16.3
2000 Plymouth Neon LX 8.7 16.6
1999 Plymouth Prowler 5.8 14.4
1981 Plymouth Reliant (2.2 Auto) 14.0 19.6
1981 Plymouth Reliant (2.6 Auto) 12.3 18.6
1981 Plymouth Reliant (2.2 4spd) 12.5 19.0
1969 Plymouth Road Runner 426 Hemi 5.1 13.5 (C&D Jan '69)
1992 Plymouth Sundance Duster 8.4 16.3
1980 Plymouth Turismo TC3 12.8 18.7
1965 Plymouth Valiant 273ci 12.9 17.8
1975 Plymouth Valiant 318ci 11.5 17.8
1976 Plymouth Volare Wagon 318ci 14.3 19.0

Pontiac

1982 Pontiac J2000 16.3 20.6
1984 Pontiac 6000STE 11.2 18.2
1987 Pontiac Bonneville SE 9.7 17.3
1992 Ponitac Bonneville SSE 9.5 17.0
1992 Pontiac Bonneville SSEi 8.1 16.1
1993 Pontiac Bonneville SLE 8.6 16.5
1995 Pontiac Bonneville SE 7.1 15.4
1996 Pontiac Bonneville SE 7.7 15.8
1998 Pontiac Bonneville SE 7.3 15.5
1984 Pontiac Fiero S/E 10.9 17.8
1986 Pontiac Fiero GT 8.0 16.2
1988 Pontiac Fiero Formula 8.0 16.0
1988 Pontiac Fiero GT 8.7 16.4
1973 Pontiac Firebird 455ci 7.3 15.0
1974 Pontiac Firebird 400ci 10.4 17.1
1975 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 400 9.8 16.8
1975 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 455 7.8 16.1
1977 Pontiac Firebird Formula 302 12.0 17.9
1978 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 6.5 15.3
1980 Pontiac Firebird Turbo Trans Am 9.0 17.0
1983 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 9.2 17.0
1984 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am HO 7.9 16.1
1987 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GTA (auto) 7.1 15.5
1988 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GTA 7.4 15.9
1989 Pontiac 20th Anniv. Trans Am 5.1 14.2
1990 Pontiac Formula Firehawk 4.9 13.4
1991 Pontiac Firebird Formula 6.5 14.8
1991 Pontiac Trans Am Conv. 7.0 15.4
1993 Pontiac Firebird Firehawk 4.9 13.5
1993 Pontiac Firebird Formula 6.1 14.7
1993 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 6.3 14.8
1994 Pontiac Firebird Formula 5.8 14.1
1995 Pontiac SLP Firehawk 5.3 13.9
1995 Pontiac Firebird Formula 6.7 15.1
1995 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 5.6 14.0
1996 Pontiac Firebird Formula 5.8 14.3
1997 Pontiac Firebird 3.8l 7.2 15.5 (C&D Jun '97)
1998 Pontiac Firebird Formula 5.3 13.9 (C&D Jun '9
1998 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 5.1 13.4
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am (WS6) 4.9 13.4
1973 Pontiac Grand Am 455ci 6.6 14.6
1990 Pontiac Grand Am Quad 4 7.3 15.8
1992 Pontiac Grand Am GT 7.5 15.9
1994 Pontiac Grand Am SE 11.5 18.2
1996 Pontiac Grand Am SE 8.6 16.5
1999 Pontiac Grand Am GT 7.7 15.9
1973 Pontiac Grand Prix 455ci 7.7 15.8
1981 Pontiac Grand Prix 14.9 19.9
1989 Pontiac Grand Prix SE 9.7 17.1
1989 Pontiac Grand Prix Turbo 7.2 15.3 (AM '89)
1990 Pontiac Grand Prix STE 7.7 15.6
1991 Pontiac Grand Prix STE 8.7 16.5
1991 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP (auto) 8.4 16.3
1997 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP 6.6 15.00
2000 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP 6.8 15.1
1994 Pontiac Grand Prix SE 3100 (auto) 8.8 16.8
2004 Pontiac Grand Prix 6.5 14.9
1974 Pontiac GTO 350ci 9.4 16.5
2004 Pontiac GTO LS1 5.3 13.8
2005 Pontiac GTO LS2 4.8 13.3 (C&D Jan '05)
1987 Pontiac LeMans 12.1 18.7
1980 Pontiac Phoenix 12.1 N/A
1976 Pontiac Sunbird 12.5 19.5
1990 Pontiac Sunbird Turbo 7.8 16.0
1993 Pontiac Sunbird SE Conv. 9.2 16.7
1993 Pontiac Sunbird 9.2 16.7
1996 Pontiac Sunfire GT 7.9 15.9
1998 Pontiac Sunfire SE Conv. 7.9 16.0
2003 Pontiac Vibe GT 7.3 15.7

Porsche

1968 Porsche 911 Sportomatic 10.3 17.3
1981 Porsche 911 SC 6.7 N/A
1983 Porsche 911 SC Cabrio 7.0 15.5
1984 Porsche 911 Carrera 6.2 14.6
1986 Porsche 911 Cabriolet 5.7 14.3
1986 Porsche 911 Turbo 5.0 13.4
1989 Porsche 911 Cabriolet 6.5 15.0
1989 Porsche 911 Club Sport 5.7 14.3
1989 Porsche 911 Speedster 6.0 14.7
1989 Porsche 911 Turbo 5.1 13.6
1990 Porsche 911 Carrera 2 5.4 14.0
1990 Porsche 911 Speedster 6.0 14.5
1991 Porsche 911 Carrera 2 Tiptronic (auto) 6.9 15.0
1991 Porsche 911 Turbo 4.9 13.4
1993 Porsche 911 RS America 5.3 13.8
1993 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.6 4.4 12.7
1994 Porsche 911 Carrera 5.2 13.8
1994 Porsche 911 Speedster 5.4 14.0
1994 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.6 4.5 12.9
1995 Porsche 911 Cabriolet 6.4 14.5
1995 Porsche 911 Carrera 5.3 13.8
1996 Porsche 911 Targa 5.0 13.5
1996 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.7 12.1
1997 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.7 12.3
1997 Porsche 911 Turbo S 3.6 11.9
1999 Porsche 911 Carrera 4.9 13.4
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.9 12.3
1999 Porsche 911 GT1 3.4 10.9
2001 Porsche 911 GT2 3.6 11.9
2002 Porsche 911 GT2 3.6 11.9
2005 Porsche 911 GT2 3.6 11.7 (MT Aug 2004)
2004 Porsche 911 GT3 4.3 n/a
1970 Porsche 914 13.9 19.2
1973 Porsche 914 12.5 18.1
1973 Porsche 914S 10.5 17.0
1974 Porsche 914 2.0 8.9 16.7
1976 Porsche 924 12.6 18.5
1980 Porsche 924 10.6 N/A
1980 Porsche 924 Turbo 9.3 17.0
1980 Porsche 924 S 9.8 17.1
1982 Porsche 924 Turbo 9.2 N/A
1987 Porsche 924 S 7.8 15.8
1988 Porsche 924 S 8.5 16.4
1977 Porsche 928 6.7 15.2
1978 Porsche 928 7.0 N/A
1980 Porsche 928 7.4 15.8
1982 Porsche 928 8.1 N/A
1984 Porsche 928 S 7.0 15.4
1985 Porsche 928 S 5.9 14.2
1986 Porsche 928 S 6.3 14.7
1987 Porsche 928 S4 5.5 13.9
1991 Porsche 928 GT 5.9 14.3
1991 Porsche 928 S4 6.2 14.7
1993 Porsche 928 GTS 6.1 14.5
1979 Porsche 930 Turbo 5.0 N/A
1982 Porsche 944 8.3 N/A
1984 Porsche 944 9.0 16.4
1986 Porsche 944 8.9 16.6
1986 Porsche 944 Turbo 6.0 14.6
1988 Porsche 944 8.7 16.6
1988 Porsche 944 S 8.0 16.2
1988 Porsche 944 Turbo 6.6 15.1
1988 Porsche 944 Turbo S 5.5 14.2
1989 Porsche 944 7.5 15.7
1989 Porsche 944 S2 6.6 14.9
1990 Porsche 944 S2 6.7 14.7
1992 Porsche 968 5.9 14.4
1993 Porsche 968 6.6 14.9
1997 Porsche Boxster 6.0 14.5
2001 Porsche Boxster S 5.6 14.0
1989 Porsche Carrera 4 5.5 13.9
1993 Porsche Carrera 2 Cabr. 6.0 14.4
2004 Porsche Cayenne Turbo 5.4 13.8
1991 Porsche Turbo 4.6 12.9
2004 Porsche Turbo X50 3.7 11.86

Qvale

2001 Qvale Mangusta 6.1 14.6

Renault

1972 Renault 12 14.3 19.7
1972 Renault 15 14.2 19.8
1972 Renault 17 10.9 18.5
1980 Renault LeCar 15.0 19.8
1976 Renault R-5 17.4 19.9

Saab

1999 Saab 9-3 SE 6.8 15.3
1999 Saab 9-3 SE Conv. 6.6 15.2
2000 Saab 9-3 Viggen 6.4 15.0
2004 Saab 9-3 Aero 6.9 15.1
1998 Saab 9-5 7.2 15.4
2000 9-5 Aero 7.0 15.3
2006 Saab 9-7x (V 7.9 16.3 (C&D Sept '05)
1973 Saab 99 EMS 11.9 18.5
1980 Saab 900 Turbo 9.7 17.2
1981 Saab 900 GLE 13.2 N/A
1981 Saab 900 Turbo 4-door (auto) 11.4 N/A
1982 Saab 900 13.8 19.3
1983 Saab 900 Turbo 10.0 17.3
1990 Saab 900 Turbo SPG 8.5 16.3
1991 Saab 900 S Cabriolet 10.7 17.7
1994 Saab 900 SE 7.9 15.8
1995 Saab 900 Turbo Coupe 6.8 15.2
1996 Saab 900 S 8.4 16.3
1986 Saab 9000 7.6 15.6
1989 Saab 9000 CD Turbo (auto) 9.1 16.9
1990 Saab 9000 S 9.2 16.8
1991 Saab 9000 CD 9.7 17.1
1991 Saab 9000 Turbo 6.8 15.2
1992 Saab 9000 S 10.0 17.4
1992 Saab 9000 Turbo 7.5 15.9
1994 Saab 9000 Aero 5 spd 6.2 14.8
1985 Saab Turbo 8.6 16.5
1967 Saab V-4 16.5 19.9

Saleen

2003 Saleen S7 3.3 11.8

Saturn

1991 Saturn Coupe 8.6 16.6
1991 Saturn SL2 8.6 16.5
1992 Saturn Coupe SC 8.4 16.4
1993 Saturn SC1 11.5 18.3
1993 Saturn SW2 Wagon 9.3 17.1
1996 Saturn SL1 9.7 17.2
1999 Saturn SC2 8.5 16.5
2002 Saturn LW300 8.0 16.1
2002 Saturn VUE V-6 (AWD) 8.4 16.6
2004 Saturn VUE V-6 (AWD) 7.0 15.5 (C&D Mar '04)
2003 Saturn L200 8.3 16.6
2004 Saturn Ion Redline 6.3 15.3

Shelby
1965 Shelby Cobra 427 S/C 4.6 12.7

Subaru

1987 Subaru Hatchback 13.2 19.0
1993 Subaru Impreza L 10.6 17.9
1993 Subaru Impreza L Wagon 12.7 19.0
1993 Subaru Impreza LS AWD 12.1 18.8
2002 Subaru Impreza WRX 5.7 14.4
2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STi 5.1 13.8
1989 Subaru Justy 4WD GL 12.0 18.5
1989 Subaru Justy GL ECVT 14.5 19.9
1990 Subaru Legacy LS 10.5 17.4
1991 Subaru Legacy Sport Sedan 8.5 16.0
1995 Subaru Legacy L Wagon 10.9 17.7
1996 Subaru Legacy Outback 9.8 17.4
1997 Subaru Legacy Outback Ltd. 9.1 17.0
2003 Subaru Sti Type RA Spec C 5.5 14.0
1992 Subaru SVX 7.3 15.5
1993 Subaru SVX 8.7 16.2
1981 Subaru DL Hardtop 13.4 N/A
1982 Subaru GL 14.8 19.7
1984 Subaru GL Turbo-Traction Wagon 13.0 19.0
1985 Subaru 4WD Turbo 10.5 17.9
1986 Subaru 4WD Turbo XT Coupe 9.7 17.2
1989 Subaru XT6 4WD 9.2 16.7

Toyota

1995 Toyota Avalon 7.8 15.8
1995 Toyota Avalon XLS (auto) 8.5 16.5
1983 Toyota Camry 12.6 18.9
1988 Toyota Camry All-Trac 11.5 18.3
1992 Toyota Camry SE 7.7 16.0
1992 Toyota Camry XLE 11.2 18.2
1993 Toyota Camry LE 11.0 18.2
1994 Toyota Camry SE Coupe 8.1 16.1
1995 Toyota Camry LE 8.0 16.0
1995 Toyota Camry LE V-6 (auto) 8.4 16.3
1998 Toyota Camry LE V-6 (auto) 7.8 15.9
1999 Toyota Camry Solara SE 7.1 15.6
1972 Toyota Carina 14.1 18.9
1980 Toyota Celica Supra 10.2 N/A
1982 Toyota Celica 12.2 N/A
1982 Toyota Celica Supra 9.2 N/A
1983 Toyota Celica GT-S 11.8 18.3
1984 Toyota Celica GT-S 11.8 18.3
1986 Toyota Celica GT-S 8.6 16.5
1987 Toyota Celica GT-S 8.6 16.5
1988 Toyota Celica All-Trac 7.7 15.6
1989 Toyota Celica All-Trac 7.5 15.6
1990 Toyota Celica All-Trac 7.5 15.7
1990 Toyota Celica GT-S 10.5 17.6
1991 Toyota Celica GT Conv. 9.8 17.1
1994 Toyota Celica GT 8.4 16.4
1994 Toyota Celica GT Coupe 8.5 16.4
2000 Toyota Celica GTS 6.6 15.2
2001 Toyota Celica GTS 7.3 15.5
2002 Toyota Celica GTS 7.3 15.6
1968 Toyota Corolla 17.0 20.5
1973 Toyota Corolla 1200 18.4 21.4
1974 Toyota Corolla 1200 16.1 19.9
1975 Toyota Corolla E-5 15.1 21.1
1976 Toyota Corolla SR-5 Liftback 15.3 19.4
1980 Toyota Corolla Sport Coupe 12.0 N/A
1980 Toyota Corolla Tercel 14.8 N/A
1980 Toyota Corolla Two-Door 16.0 20.5
1984 Toyota Corolla 13.7 19.3
1984 Toyota Corolla fwd 13.1 18.9
1985 Toyota Corolla GT-S 10.5 18.6
1987 Toyota Corolla FX16 GT-S 9.2 17.0
1991 Toyota Corolla LE 10.2 17.5
1993 Toyota Corolla DX 9.3 17.0
1993 Toyota Corolla DX Wagon 10.8 17.9
1995 Toyota Corolla DX 10.2 17.6
1998 Toyota Corolla LE 10.3 17.6
1971 Toyota Corona Deluxe 13.5 19.0
1972 Toyota Corona Mark II Wagon 15.3 20.3
1974 Toyota Corona 15.6 20.0
1974 Toyota Corona SR5 15.1 19.3
1981 Toyota Cressida 12.1 N/A
1983 Toyota Cressida 10.2 17.8
2000 Toyota Echo 8.5 16.7
2003 Toyota Matrix XR 4 wheel drive 9.2 N/A
2004 Toyota Matrix XRS 7.2 / 15.7
1973 Toyota Mark II 13.6 19.9
1976 Toyota Mark II Wagon 14.0 19.5
1986 Toyota MR2 8.4 16.5
1988 Toyota MR2 Supercharged 6.5 15.0
1989 Toyota MR2 Supercharged 7.8 15.8
1990 Toyota MR2 Turbo 6.2 14.7
1991 Toyota MR2 8.5 16.3
1993 Toyota MR2 Turbo 6.1 14.7
1994 Toyota MR2 6.2 14.8
1995 Toyota MR2 Turbo 6.2 14.8
1991 Toyota Paseo 10.0 17.3
1992 Toyota Paseo 10.3 17.6
1993 Toyota Paseo 10.1 17.8
1996 Toyota Paseo 9.5 17.0
1991 Toyota Previa LE 12.5 18.8
1981 Toyota Starlet 14.2 N/A
1983 Toyota Supra 8.9 16.8
1984 Toyota Supra 8.7 16.8
1986 Toyota Supra 7.0 15.4
1988 Toyota Supra 7.9 16.0
1989 Toyota Supra Turbo 6.6 15.2
1991 Toyota Supra Turbo 7.1 15.6
1993 Toyota Supra Turbo 4.9 13.4
1994 Toyota Supra 6.9 15.2
1994 Toyota Supra Turbo 5.3 13.7
1995 Toyota Supra Turbo 5.1 13.5
1997 Toyota Supra Turbo 5.1 13.6
1980 Toyota Tercel SR5 Black Package 15.0 19.9
1983 Toyota Tercel 4WD Wagon 16.5 20.4
1987 Toyota Tercel DX 11.4 18.3
1991 Toyota Tercel LE 11.7 18.3
1995 Toyota Tercel DX 11.2 18.4

Triumph

1967 Triumph Spitfire Mk 3 13.6 19.3
1968 Triumph Spitfire 13.6 19.3
1976 Triumph Spitfire 16.4 20.3
1980 Triumph TR8 8.5 16.6

Volkswagen

1971 Volkswagen Super Beetle 18.4 21.1
1998 Volkswagen Beetle 9.7 17.2
1999 Volkswagen Bettle GLS (1.8 T) 7.6 15.9
1999 Volkswagen Beetle GLS (2.0) 9.7 17.3
1999 Volkswagen Beetle GLS (1.9 TD) 11.1 17.9
1993 Volkswagen Cabriolet 11.2 18.1
1990 Volkswagen Corrado 9.3 16.8
1990 Volkswagen Corrado G60 8.9 16.5
1992 Volkswagen Corrado SLC 6.8 15.3
1993 Volkswagen Corrado SLC 6.9 15.5
1994 Volkswagen Corrado SLC 7.2 15.6
1980 Volkswagen Dasher Diesel 19.4 n/a
1987 Volkswagen Fox GL 10.8 18.0
1987 Volkswagen Golf 16V 8.5 16.5
1994 Volkswagen Golf III GL 9.8 16.7
2004 Volkswagon Golf R32 6.4 14.5
2004 Volkswagon Golf HPA R32 3.2 11.49
1985 Volkswagen GTI 9.0 16.9
1988 Volkswagen GTI 16V 8.5 16.5
1989 Volkswagen GTI 16V 8.8 16.6
1991 Volkswagen GTI 16V 8.4 16.8
1995 Volkswagen GTI VR6 7.1 15.5
2004 Volkswagen GTI 1.8t (manual) 6.5 15.2
2004 Volkswagon GTI 1.8t (auto) 8.1, n/a
1981 Volkswagen Jetta 12.3 18.6
1985 Volkswagen Jetta GLI 11.2 18.0
1986 Volkswagen Jetta GLI 10.4 17.8
1989 Volkswagen Jetta GLI 16V 8.8 16.6
1990 Volkswagen Jetta GLI 16V 9.0 16.6
1994 Volkswagen Jetta III GL 10.1 17.6
1995 Volkswagen Jetta III GLX 7.7 16.1
1999 Volkswagen Jetta GLS 7.8 16.0
1990 Volkswagen Passat GL 10.5 17.6
1992 Volkswagen Passat GL 10.9 17.8
1993 Volkswagen Passat GLX 8.5 16.6
1994 Volkswagen Passat GLX (auto) 8.9 16.9
1995 Volkswagen Passat GLX 9.5 17.2
1998 Volkswagen Passat GLS 7.9 16.1
2002 Volkswagen Passat W-8 4Motion 6.9 15.4
1983 Volkswagen Quantum 13.0 19.0
1983 Volkswagen Quantum GL5 12.6 18.8
1987 Volkswagen Quantum Syncro 9.6 17.0
1989 Volkswagen Quantum GL5 Syncro 9.8 17.4
1976 Volkswagen Rabbit 11.0 17.9
1979 Volkswagen Rabbit (Gas) 11.8 18.9
1979 Volkswagen Rabbit (Diesal) 21.3 22.2
1979 Volkswagen Rabbit (Turbo Diesel) 17.9 21.0
1980 Volkswagen Rabbit Roadster 12.9 18.9
1981 Volkswagen Rabbit Conv. 14.0 N/A
1981 Volkswagen Rabbit 12.6 N/A
1983 Volkswagen Rabbit GTI 10.6 17.7
1976 Volkswagen Scirocco 10.9 17.6
1980 Volkswagen Scirocco 11.2 N/A
1983 Volkswagen Scirocco 11.7 18.3
1984 Volkswagen Scirocco 10.7 17.8
1987 Volkswagen Scirocco 16V 7.7 16.1
1973 Volkswagon Super Beetle Convertible 23.8 22.5
2003 Volkswagen Tourareg 7.5 15.7
1972 Volkswagen Wagon 17.7 20.9

Volvo

1974 Volvo 142 12.6 18.6
1975 Volvo 164 E 12.1 19.3
1975 Volvo 242 GL 16.2 19.9
1976 Volvo 245 DL 15.5 19.9
1984 Volvo 760 GLE 12.3 18.6
1986 Volvo 740 Turbo Wagon 8.4 16.6
1989 Volvo 740 GLE (auto) 9.6 17.2
1990 Volvo 740 Turbo Wagon 7.8 16.1
1992 Volvo 850 GLT 9.1 16.6
1993 Volvo 850 GLT 9.4 17.3
1994 Volvo 850 Turbo Sedan 7.1 15.3
1994 Volvo 850 Sportwagon Turbo 7.4 15.5
1995 Volvo 850 T-5R 6.6 15.0
1996 Volvo 850 GLT 8.8 16.6
1996 Volvo 850 R 6.9 15.3
1992 Volvo 940 SE 9.2 17.0
1992 Volvo 940 Turbo 8.9 16.8
1992 Volvo 960 8.9 16.5
1970 Volvo 1800E 10.1 17.5
1980 Volvo Bertone Coupe 11.7 18.4
1980 Volvo GL 14.2 N/A
1981 Volvo Diesel 18.5 N/A
1982 Volvo GLT Turbo 10.2 17.4
1985 Volvo GLT Wagon 10.1 17.5
1998 Volvo C70 6.4 14.9
1998 Volvo S70 T5 6.4 14.9
1998 Volvo V70 XC 7.8 15.9

I know my "lowly" 2003 530 is missing

RickyMartinZ28

11-24-2008, 12:49 PM

98+ F-body.

High 12 second car from the factory. Handle Well. Easily had for less than 10K.

Jesuscookies

11-24-2008, 04:29 PM

My 73 RX2 is faster, much faster, but you better have good fillings if you daily drive. It'll rattle em loose in no time. :D

KMFDM26

11-24-2008, 05:15 PM

98+ F-body.

High 13 second car from the factory. Handle fair. Easily had for less than 10K.

*fixed

JRiggs

11-24-2008, 05:25 PM

^^oooo noooo there went my apex seal! lol sorry had to i had a 94 rx7 loved it till the motor blew and tranny locked up all in one turn (found a wall to stop me in a hurry)

since he's zoned in on the 540, i think instead of looking at ANYTHING faster than a 540i we should dive into cars in the same class. an E55 amg is not in the same class as a 540i, it is classed with an M5. vet/fbody/sport bikes are all in a different class of cars as well. of the top of my head i'd class the gs400/430 with the 540, merc E class, and whatever that jag was that is about the same size.

alexkid

11-24-2008, 05:39 PM

I had a beautiful Camaro S.S and I beleive a 97 trans am ram air (convert), these cars are fantastic and not all that expensive (insurance was good to me).

I would much rather the 5.7 vs the 4.6 / 5.0 stang(thats my opinion) ... Anyways with about 1500 dollars invested in the cars I was able to improve my overall performance by a "huge" margin. so this would be the best option for you.

I had a slew of Japanese vehicles (about 20 of them) all of them which could annihilate a stock 540i with little money, however most of these cars are (tiny) so I would not recommend any of them :)

advice ...... Don't purchase a 540i for straight line performance, I was given my 540i as a gift from my wife and I fell in love with the BMW craftsmanship (this was my first BMW ... yes I was a virgin) everything about the car is smooth and beautiful. Even though my car is about 10 years old I still find it as attractive as many new vehicles (and other BMW's) if you "really" want to improve performance hey invest in a charger after a few years, im sure most cars wont be able to overtake you on the highway :)

good luck, let us know what you get and post some photos !!!

TBar

11-24-2008, 05:53 PM

Salvage title m5!

top end = 528i :devillook

+1, I took my stock 528i up to 153 one night with no problem. woah.:devillook

Jesuscookies

11-24-2008, 06:50 PM

^^oooo noooo there went my apex seal! lol sorry had to i had a 94 rx7 loved it till the motor blew and tranny locked up all in one turn (found a wall to stop me in a hurry)

Baah! :128 Owning an FD should be a prerequiste to owning a BMW. At least they will know how much work is in store for them. :stickoutt

Michael Star

11-24-2008, 06:52 PM

You are not a true petrolhead unless you have owned an Alfa-Clarkson

My Alfa:
http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/2/web/710000-710999/710666_1_full.jpg

Lscman

11-24-2008, 07:51 PM

As much as I agree with the majority of your post, I'm seeing a few inacuracies in some of your claims. For example, saying that a 92 Vette can cover the 1/4 in 13.5 seems a bit like BS to me. Everything I've ever known or seen has said that the C5 with the LS1 is usually hitting around a 13.1 on a good day. Now take the older '92 Vette with the LT1, 50 less horsepower, an inferior transmission, and I just don't see it hitting 13.5. I'd give it a low 14 to a very high 13 on a good day............:drool:

You are guessing and don't know your Vettes. This is a poor way to pinpoint inaccuracy. The Z07 LT1 6 spd cars were solid mid-13 cars. The low 14's are reserved for later L98 Vettes & the very last of that series ran 14 flat with the ZF 6 spd. Low 13's are reserved for the LT4 which actually outran the LS1 in some tests and occasionally kicked LT5 butt. Slower tracks typically clocked LT4 at 13.3 sec and LT1 at 13.7.

Note the zero detail list of mystery tests above shows LT1 at 13.7 and it also shows an L98 version with about 55 less HP doing a 13.9.

The ZF 6 speed LT1 tranny is hardly inferior to the T56 lol. The only LT1 Vette running high 13's came with a 4 speed automatic or a sissy driver.

It is BS. Ask me how I know.

How? The spurious datapoints posted by 3rd party says an L98 with 55 less HP than an LT1 runs a 13.9s 1/4 mi. Are you telling me 55 more horsepower will never produce a 13.5 under any condition lol? The LT1 crushed the old L98 truck motor with 1500RPM moire headroom and the HP peak held to redline. Shifting was entirely optional.

I was thinking the same thing. A 10 year old Corvette eating an M3 around a race track???
In a straight line maybe, but around a track...with CORNERS???

Have you ever even been to a road race track?? You are speaking with a BMW owner who logged 50K miles on winding road race tracks. I have boxes full and walls covered with Solo II trophy's from going fast around CORNERS and even instructing other's how to do so.

Let me know when you find an M3 with SLA suspension on all four corners 50/50 weight distribution with fred flintstone wheels. The M3 is basically a tweaked sedan with flared fenders and 2 doors missing (except E36). The mcpherson struts in the front are nothing to brag about at all. The wider and lower Corvette design inhales BMW M3 on a handling track of any sort. The effective wheel rates found on a Corvette with optional suspension are 4x higher than those found on M3. This advantage applies to Solo II thru high speed road track (Pocono, WGI etc). Go to some grass roots car forums and see which stock cars post fastest time of the day again and again. It ain't M cars. Occasionally a $100K Carrera beats out the Corvettes in Solo II. On the road tracks, the Corvette crushes all comers and has been running par or better against Ferrari's costing 2 to 3x in the fastest road racing classes. The M3 is placed in a slower class for obvious reasons. Get out the SCCA results and review them. Hey, you really need to participate in track events and visit some model-independent road track forums that are not specializing in BMW. In such forums, you will meet many BMW track enthusiasts who accept the fact that Corvette has more potential in stock form when comparing similar vintages and in modified form, it goes much faster for far less money. The M3 has never been par with Corvette in road racing. Frankly speaking, the M3's claim to fame is beating sedan-based ponycars like Cobra and F-body in the corners. The M3 has had reasonable success over the last 20 years in sedan and ponycar class competition against cars costing 1/2 to 1/3 as much. The M3 has always been respected for class-leading sedan cornering and braking.

PS: Tunnel vision is an ailment you get when you are a boy with limited experience living and breathing one marque (ala' Bimmerboy). Time to open your eyes and quit singing the BMW anthem. BMW's are impressive premium saloons, not world class sports cars.

KMFDM26

11-24-2008, 10:35 PM

How? The spurious datapoints posted by 3rd party says an L98 with 55 less HP than an LT1 runs a 13.9s 1/4 mi. Are you telling me 55 more horsepower will never produce a 13.5 under any condition lol? The LT1 crushed the old L98 truck motor with 1500RPM moire headroom and the HP peak held to redline. Shifting was entirely optional.

Wait? what are we arguing again?!? lol I never said a thing about TPI motors.

I called BS on the "92 Vette can cover the 1/4 in 13.5" statement and I'm sticking to it. No way can a stock 92 man/auto LT1 on street radials clock 13.5. I call 14 flat & thats w/an experienced driver.

BimmerBoy740I

11-25-2008, 02:59 AM

God...why are you American's sooooo touchy about the "Not making cars to go around Corners" joke...

FFS...

PS: Tunnel vision is an ailment you get when you are a boy with limited experience living and breathing one marque (ala' Bimmerboy). Time to open your eyes and quit singing the BMW anthem. BMW's are impressive premium saloons, not world class sports cars.
Go and play in the traffic my friend and I hope one of you super fast Corvette's runs you over...

Rawdon

fifthand

11-25-2008, 03:23 AM

Thread > Hijacked. But I like it :D :eatpop:

BimmerBoy740I

11-25-2008, 03:28 AM

Thread > Hijacked. But I like it :D :eatpop:
LOL...not at all :)

I just take offense when someone who does not know me starts throwing stones and sees that just because I own 3 BMW's, assumes that I am a fanboy and have not driven any other car in my life... :nono

But, this is not important...Back on topic :)

Rawdon

rmurph17

11-25-2008, 05:46 AM

Well if you live in the UK then a 540i will put you in the top percentile of fast cars, as everyone here can't afford big engine cars so most people (including our version of badboy street racers) drive 1.0, 1.2, 1.4, 1.6 and 1.8 litre cars like Vauxhall Corsas, Ford Fiestas and the likes.

Sometimes there is a Fiesta or Focus ST but if your under 25 in the UK chances are you wont be able to either get or afford the insurance (which is REQUIRED in the UK)

There are alot of german cars though, but most are 2.0 litre or less, I have only been out done on a motorway twice and those times were off a 2008 M5 and a Evo 9.

List of cars i've beaten - lots - including a Subaru Impreza (dont know which one though) - which is not bad for a 12 year old luxobarge.

I wouldn't advocate racing in town streets, I do beleive in being able to open it up a bit on a empty motorway, keep it safe and theres no problems.

Lscman

11-25-2008, 07:06 AM

Wait? what are we arguing again?!? lol I never said a thing about TPI motors.

I called BS on the "92 Vette can cover the 1/4 in 13.5" statement and I'm sticking to it. No way can a stock 92 man/auto LT1 on street radials clock 13.5. I call 14 flat & thats w/an experienced driver.

You are confusing motors and sticking with error. All "best times" are with an experienced driver because it's a car capability test.

The TPI motor ran high 13's as posted in this thread and the LT1 manual with 55 more HP ran 13.5 thru 13.7 in most published independent tests of that era. The LT4 had 35 additional HP and ran between 13.1 and 13.3. The LT1 was not slower than a TPI car (an issue you cleverly skirt) and it sure as heck was not slow as the noseheavy 540i/6 that has less HP, peaky powerband, 300lbs more weight, narrower tires, 9-5/8" slippy clutch and runs 14 flat. This is what you are claiming, yet I owned and raced both for many years. Try owning and racing both for 5 years to gain my experience and then call me wrong. You know nothing about Corvette.

LOL...not at all :)

I just take offense when someone who does not know me starts throwing stones and sees that just because I own 3 BMW's, assumes that I am a fanboy and have not driven any other car in my life... :nono

But, this is not important...Back on topic :)

Rawdon

I did not know you owned 3 BMW's. I was responding to your statement that the M3 outhandles a Corvette in corners and assumed it was made out of ignorance instead of being a joke. You need to recognize that fanboy and bimmerboy are synonym's. I simply took your username fwiw.

Michael Star

11-25-2008, 09:19 AM

I looked at the c5, GTO, 05+ Mustang GT, and Mercs. What it comes down to is what you want out of your car. If I wanted pure performance, I would have bought the c5, but that is not what I was after. I wanted something fairly fast, but more important, nice to drive around town when I wasn't gunning it from stoplight to stoplight. I know there are cars out there that are faster, but not too many of them look better too :D

If I could have my way, I would remove about 300lbs from the 540i and drop in a ls7 (or ls9) and have the best of everything.

OUDLES

11-25-2008, 09:22 PM

Let me know when you find an M3 with SLA suspension on all four corners 50/50 weight distribution with fred flintstone wheels. The M3 is basically a tweaked sedan with flared fenders and 2 doors missing (except E36). The mcpherson struts in the front are nothing to brag about at all. The wider and lower Corvette design inhales BMW M3 on a handling track of any sort. The effective wheel rates found on a Corvette with optional suspension are 4x higher than those found on M3. This advantage applies to Solo II thru high speed road track (Pocono, WGI etc). Go to some grass roots car forums and see which stock cars post fastest time of the day again and again. It ain't M cars. Occasionally a $100K Carrera beats out the Corvettes in Solo II. On the road tracks, the Corvette crushes all comers and has been running par or better against Ferrari's costing 2 to 3x in the fastest road racing classes. The M3 is placed in a slower class for obvious reasons. Get out the SCCA results and review them. Hey, you really need to participate in track events and visit some model-independent road track forums that are not specializing in BMW. In such forums, you will meet many BMW track enthusiasts who accept the fact that Corvette has more potential in stock form when comparing similar vintages and in modified form, it goes much faster for far less money. The M3 has never been par with Corvette in road racing. Frankly speaking, the M3's claim to fame is beating sedan-based ponycars like Cobra and F-body in the corners. The M3 has had reasonable success over the last 20 years in sedan and ponycar class competition against cars costing 1/2 to 1/3 as much. The M3 has always been respected for class-leading sedan cornering and braking.

This is great and all, but I believe the only thing I was referring to was your original statement that a 1992, 17 year old, LT1, Vette will run par with the new M3. This statement is false. I'm far from on a BMW high horse and I agree that Vette's are very capable vehicles. The LT and LS series motors are some engineering marvels even with their so called "old" pushrod (or cam in block if you'd like to sound modern) technology. Who cares if it's old technology... It's still producing great numbers and is proven to be reliable. Not to mention the strict geometry of the two vehicles is completely different. You're comparing a complete 2 seater sports coupe to a 4 seater coupe which has been made sporty. I don't even want to get into the argument of track prepped vs stock. ANYTHING can be made fast.

Back on topic.

Lscman

11-25-2008, 10:38 PM

This is great and all, but I believe the only thing I was referring to was your original statement that a 1992, 17 year old, LT1, Vette will run par with the new M3. This statement is false.........

A 17 year old C4 Z07 Vette is a second slower than the new M3 in the 1/4 mile, but it weighs almost 400lbs less and will still run par or better on certain autocross tracks and race courses that reward handing, low cg, lower weight and 9-1/2" wide front wheels instead of just straight line go pedal-mashed acceleration. Depite glowing reviews for it's class, the porky M3 V8 is not a handling weapon. The M3 weighs the same as my 540i/6 with spare tire removed, according to calibrated track scales. Both cars are just plain fat pigs. I have not yet seen evidence that the luxobarge M3 V8 runs circles around the lighter E46 M3 or earlier euro-spec E36. Stock for stock, an LT1 Z07 Vette has it's way with E46 M3 on many tighter tracks. I am quite familiar with the best times achieved on technical tracks in my area like Mid Ohio and stock E46 does not win out. Time will tell more about the current version. You can not make an accurate declaration of superiority that applies to all tracks because the relative strengths of the two cars vary widely.

I will go further and suggest that certain 22yo stock Z51 L98 Vettes were proven to run near par with Z06 in autocross. Pro Solo National Champion Roger Johnson proved this beyond doubt in A-B track tests. In light of this fact, I think the aging 250 HP L98 Vette C4 automatic may well outgun an M3 V8 butt in an autocross with an equal driver. Spec sheets don't tell the whole tale.

nickMANDERFIELD

11-25-2008, 10:40 PM

lcsman, your epenis is too big for this thread

either take it to pm or just leave, ive read every one of your posts and youre just poking sticks at other members.. nobody cares about how much you know about corvettes or how many hours and miles you have logged at tracks.. get some real life friends and brag to them, see how long they give a shit for, especially when someone asks you if they should buy a 540 or not...

KMFDM26

11-25-2008, 10:55 PM

Seph540i

11-25-2008, 10:55 PM

My 5.0 can take any 540i and M5. Does that mean I wouldn't love one? NO!

I could always use the style and comfort. Riding in AZ without AC sucks.D:

Michael Star

11-25-2008, 11:11 PM

Im sure you can have a sub 10sec Fox body for less than 10k, just like you could have a miata that handles like a go-kart for less than 10k. What you have to figure out, is what you want the car to do for you.

Lscman

11-25-2008, 11:20 PM

nick,

I have difficulty communicating with kiddies who resort to namecalling (like you did) when they have absolutely no experience or techical knowledge to support their position. If you review my seemingly negative posts, you will realize they are largely defending my technical opinion or provide further info in support of my position when it's being questioned or doubted by someone in a rude manner. Sorry, but I can't sit silent when an offensive & ignorant BMW fanboy attacks me. I owned & raced both cars and I know a bit about them. This is not bragging at all; my opinion was unfairly labeled as BS in an area where I have substantial first-hand experience and background. I am not jumping down folks throats calling them names, but like many juveniles, you are.

I own a 540i and have quite a bit of experience maintaining it. Folks sometimes overlook vehicles that are better-suited for their needs. I endeavor to solicit thought that helps folks consider all options.

Do you feel we should ignore or suppress all comparisons or alternatives to 540i? Should we pretend 540i is superior and perfect? Maybe we should begin banning members who part out 540i cars or discuss design shortcomings or weaknesses? This sort of extremist behavior is found on certain forums. I'm hoping this website involves more than 540i worship. Identifying weaknesses and shortcomings of the 540i leads to clever fixes and mods. My car has lots of fixes that make it more durable & I uncovered many problems through open discussion here. We should not downplay or suppress this stuff.

TBar

11-26-2008, 12:37 AM

Lscman

11-26-2008, 10:25 PM

This thread was initiated to identify OTHER cars under $10K that go as fast or faster than 540i. Members like me who prefer to share objective info don't need to sit silent, eat glass or die when such questions are posed.

I do understand your concern for balanced discussion without domination, but questionable or erroneous tech info should not be left unchecked. Realize that a fair and balanced comparison of BMW 540i vs Corvette is almost impossible on a BMW-specific forum because the vast majority of members are loyal BMW fans with lopsided knowledge, views or unfounded notions about other marques. Sometimes it takes an overbearing and dominating *ss Vette & BMW owner like me to bring technical sanity to this sort of thread. Fanboys often reach ficticious conclusions, especially when contrasting opinion is suppressed as you so strongly recommend. :nono

BimmerBoy740I

11-27-2008, 02:01 AM

nick,

I have difficulty communicating with kiddies who resort to namecalling (like you did) when they have absolutely no experience or techical knowledge to support their position. If you review my seemingly negative posts, you will realize they are largely defending my technical opinion or provide further info in support of my position when it's being questioned or doubted by someone in a rude manner. Sorry, but I can't sit silent when an offensive & ignorant BMW fanboy attacks me. I owned & raced both cars and I know a bit about them. This is not bragging at all; my opinion was unfairly labeled as BS in an area where I have substantial first-hand experience and background. I am not jumping down folks throats calling them names, but like many juveniles, you are.

How old are you, because you sound like a grumpy old man? You clearly have a bone to pick with people on this forum. I assume that the a lot of the above was pointed at me for "telling you to go and play in the traffic" after you posted this statment to one of my JOKES "Tunnel vision is an ailment you get when you are a boy with limited experience living and breathing one marque (ala' Bimmerboy). Time to open your eyes and quit singing the BMW anthem. BMW's are impressive premium saloons, not world class sports cars."

I am actually 24 and as such, older that 90% of the people on this board. I have also driven many, MANY cars and can talk from a lot of experience...

You clearly have a very short fuse with people and I can only imagine what you are like on the track...

TBH...if you read your above posts...you are the one who is namecalling!!! You cannot really be silly enough to come on a BMW forum, basically bash the 540I, the new M3 and most other people's opionions and not expect to have some sort of retaliation???

I do strongly question your knowledge of BMWs after this comment "the M3 is basically a tweaked sedan with flared fenders and 2 doors missing".

Would you not have more fun cancelling your subscription on this forum and going off to a Corvette forum?

fifthand

11-27-2008, 02:23 AM

http://a820.g.akamai.net/f/820/822/1d/i.ivillage.com/gurl/showoff/stories/comeout/mano-a-mano.gif:freak

Michael Star

11-27-2008, 09:22 AM

I do understand your concern for balanced discussion without domination, but questionable or erroneous tech info should not be left unchecked. Realize that a fair and balanced comparison of BMW 540i vs Corvette is almost impossible on a BMW-specific forum because the vast majority of members are loyal BMW fans with lopsided knowledge, views or unfounded notions about other marques. Sometimes it takes an overbearing and dominating *ss Vette & BMW owner like me to bring technical sanity to this sort of thread. Fanboys often reach ficticious conclusions, especially when contrasting opinion is suppressed as you so strongly recommend. :nono

On the same token, ask a bunch of Corvette guys on their respective forum which car is better, and I am sure you will get a biased answer there too. Sure the vette might beat a 540 or m5 in all out performance, but which one would you rather taken on a 700+mile trip.

willyman01

11-27-2008, 03:18 PM

benz its nice

FrankMstein

11-28-2008, 02:26 AM

Baah! :128 Owning an FD should be a prerequiste to owning a BMW. At least they will know how much work is in store for them. :stickoutt

I once (haha) had a 93 R1 with many modifications I did myself until one year then I went through 3 turdbos and a chipped apex seal then was passed (in the rain) at road atlanta by an e30 I was then converted and with in a year had a white with gray vaders 95 M3 that was an ex-clubrace car. I miss that car a lot. :( After I spent days doing a vacum hose job and hours of "cool down laps" it was no problem giving up the FD for the ease and fun of the ultimate driving machine.

I was once known as turbo phil and now as non-turbo phil (NTP). Now with bangle f'en up our sheet metal and someone f'en up our engines with turbos...what now?

Lscman

11-28-2008, 12:56 PM

On the same token, ask a bunch of Corvette guys on their respective forum which car is better, and I am sure you will get a biased answer there too. Sure the vette might beat a 540 or m5 in all out performance, but which one would you rather taken on a 700+mile trip.

I wholeheartedly agree. Discussion on Corvette forums is similarly skewed with narrow-minded vette fans & I speak up there in a similar fashion, often using my positive experiences with BMW build quality, fit and finish as testimony. With respect to a 700 mi trip, I would surely prefer to take my 540i except for the fact that I have not changed the radiator & evap canister to a zionsville unit. The chance of coolant system failure is something I must weigh. A Corvette is far less comfortable, but also less likely to eject it's coolant at an inopportune moment. My Corvette was never towed after a track day in 5 years of weekend abuse. My BMW seeing identical duty needed immediate AAA tow coverage upgrades and reliability issues have been challenging.

How old are you, because you sound like a grumpy old man? You clearly have a bone to pick with people on this forum. I assume that the a lot of the above was pointed at me for "telling you to go and play in the traffic" after you posted this statment to one of my JOKES "Tunnel vision is an ailment you get when you are a boy with limited experience living and breathing one marque (ala' Bimmerboy). Time to open your eyes and quit singing the BMW anthem. BMW's are impressive premium saloons, not world class sports cars."

I am actually 24 and as such, older that 90% of the people on this board. I have also driven many, MANY cars and can talk from a lot of experience...

You clearly have a very short fuse with people and I can only imagine what you are like on the track...

TBH...if you read your above posts...you are the one who is namecalling!!! You cannot really be silly enough to come on a BMW forum, basically bash the 540I, the new M3 and most other people's opionions and not expect to have some sort of retaliation???

I do strongly question your knowledge of BMWs after this comment "the M3 is basically a tweaked sedan with flared fenders and 2 doors missing".

Would you not have more fun cancelling your subscription on this forum and going off to a Corvette forum?

I admittedly do have a bone to pick with folks who propagate or promote BMW tunnel vision, believing that BMW's are superior while falsely declaring other marques as complete junk, slow etc. I prefer balanced discussion and when it's not available, I try to inject some sanity of that sort. Perhaps my frustration dealing with skewed, biased opinion shows. This is the case when I'm on the corvette forum too, by the way. If you are older than 90% of the folks on this board, I can only guess the percentage for myself at over twice your age. OK, I'll accept he grumpy old man moniker without protest. Time brings pros (experience) and cons (baggage). I personally doubt that the average E39 owner here is under 25 years old. Most members with the word boy embedded in their userID may indeed be under 25. who's da man lol?

I'm an E39 owner, but I'm not about praise or worship of BMW or learning about BMW social events or joining in unfair bashing of other marques. My purpose on this forum is largely to collect and share technical info about the E39 and learn how to improve the breed. I also prefer to speak honestly and openly about it's strengths and weaknessess, especially when comparing it to alternative cars in threads like this one. Focusing on weaknesses is my forte' because it helps us come up with technical FIXES!! Forums are not about promoting the marque or suppressing discussion about recurring troubles or coming up with lame exuses, blaming owners for failures etc. Some pro-BMW folks even blamed drivers for premature clutch failures. I can show you threads where BMW fansboys blamed owners who failed radiators and clutches for applying the throttle too quickly. Oh, you're not supposed to do that. My involvement in discussion helps me learn to improve my E39, learn & make new discoveries. My behavior sometimes spurs excellent feedback from mute individuals when they feel compelled to offer alternate opinion and I welcome it. As you can see, my objectives wrt E39 would not be met if I visited a Corvette forum, as you've suggested.

If you feel the M5 or M3 is not a modified sedan, you really need to explain yourself. When I examine the technical underpinnings of these cars, I'm basically seeing a factory hot-rodded pedestrian 330i, 335i, 540i, 545i etc. They do contain some suspension bolt-ons/tweaks, motor upgrades and other minor design revisions. The same basic formula was used for a Chrysler 300C SRT8 and a Mercury Marauder where their standard pedestrian chassis are tweaked. Except for M1 and a couple other rare offerings, I have never seen BMW or Mercedes pretend their practical M & AMG car chassis were designed from the beginning for genuine motorsport use. Far from that, but this is why the M line remains so practical for regular street use. The fact that BMW's M cars and MB's AMG offerings follow every pedestrian model release by at least a year is no coincidence. General Motors did not follow BMW M or MB AMG sport-performance strategy. The Corvette is not a hot-rodded Impala or Cadillac STS and the results are apparent. GM took a very different approach with CTS-V where they took the Corvette drivetrain and designed a new rwd CTS chassis to support it. This is how they're closing the performance gap on premium eurosedans.

TNation

11-30-2008, 10:43 PM

TBar

12-01-2008, 02:23 AM

Lscman (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/member.php?u=13343) > ALLL
especially BimmerBoy740I and TBAR

Lscman has the most solid posts i have ever seen EVER in any BMW forum. Wow. Speaks the truth like no one else.

Because I didnt rant and rave with seemingly biased opinions? Ive read through every single one of his posts and he keeps talking to other members as if were all narrow minded and unable to see anything pas our steering wheels. I know damn well I could easily buy a more reliable car, but I chose a BMW for unmatched excellence when it comes to the interior, ride quality and performance.

Sure I could easily go buy a Corolla if I wanted excellent reliability and grat gas mileage, but I would rather sacrafice those things and invest my heart and soul into a car i love, a car then when i drive it gives me something back other then point a to point b transportation. Ive driven lots of different cars in my life.. and i can say that nothing really compares to the absolute thrill i get from my BMW.

Sure, you say the corvette is so great so grand.. if so, then why can you push in the rear bumper by hand on the new z06? Im really not a fan of American auto makers, ive been an import fan since day one and i can name a hundred different cars that look better and are a better deal then the corvette. Im very disapointed in the americans ability to produce a good Litre to HP ratio..

Sure you can buy a foxbody for 1k and build it into a monster at the track, and sure your corvette can ahndle a road course like no other.. but the Corvette is designed specifically to be an amazing sports car, where as the 540 is designed to be a high powered luxery sedan.. thats comparing apples to oranges.

I can name alot of cars you can buy competitvley priced that will beat a vette around the track and be much more reliable..

Moral of the story.. I dont think everyone here chose to own a bmw because of reliability and track performance, everyone has there own reasons, and you have no right to belittle them for there opinions just because they do not agree with you.

If you feel the M5 or M3 is not a modified sedan, you really need to explain yourself. When I examine the technical underpinnings of these cars, I'm basically seeing a factory hot-rodded pedestrian 330i, 335i, 540i, 545i etc. They do contain some suspension bolt-ons/tweaks, motor upgrades and other minor design revisions. The same basic formula was used for a Chrysler 300C SRT8 and a Mercury Marauder where their standard pedestrian chassis are tweaked. Except for M1 and a couple other rare offerings, I have never seen BMW or Mercedes pretend their practical M & AMG car chassis were designed from the beginning for genuine motorsport use. Far from that, but this is why the M line remains so practical for regular street use. The fact that BMW's M cars and MB's AMG offerings follow every pedestrian model release by at least a year is no coincidence. General Motors did not follow BMW M or MB AMG sport-performance strategy. The Corvette is not a hot-rodded Impala or Cadillac STS and the results are apparent. GM took a very different approach with CTS-V where they took the Corvette drivetrain and designed a new rwd CTS chassis to support it. This is how they're closing the performance gap on premium eurosedans.

After re-reading this.. how is this any different then what Dodge does with the Srt4, srt6, srt8? How about fords new mustang? theres the s281, gt, rousch, gt350, gt500... how many different variations of a car can you have? and where does the line get drawn?

The m5 and m3 are designed to be super sedans. Im sure if BMW wanted to make something that could compete with the corvette.. they would have no problem. But thats not the company they are.. they design and make excellent high end luxury sedans.

bigjoe87865

12-01-2008, 07:01 AM

I dont see why you guys are bashing on Lscman... all he is doing is putting out information thats relevant to what the OP is asking for.... sub 10k car that can beat the 540.

he stated his pick... and the reasons why... and gets called out... so he states his defense.... which I must say is a pretty solid defense....

and he isnt showing bias either... he works on both sides of the barnyard.

as much as you guys dont want to believe it... the m3 , m5 , m6 , 540i arent the best cars in the world.... sure they are fucking awesome and even the best at certain things..... but other cars will surpass them in other categories.

Im always open to different brands... and opinions..... this thread reminds me of the war between suzuki GSXR boys and the Honda CBR kids.

VLee

12-01-2008, 07:25 AM

maybe honda s2000 (kbb a good one is around $9300) or mazda rx-7 (my cousin got one for $7k, so I'm sure it's possible to get a cheap one)
they are pretty quick cars, but not really drag cars.

I know nothing about muscle cars, if that's what you like, then lscman's advice is pretty good.

BimmerBoy740I

12-01-2008, 10:33 AM

Lscman (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/member.php?u=13343) > ALLL
especially BimmerBoy740I and TBAR

Lscman has the most solid posts i have ever seen EVER in any BMW forum. Wow. Speaks the truth like no one else.
Yea...we could write a book about why the Corvette is better than a BMW...

Wow...you rock TNation...:rofl:

I dont see why you guys are bashing on Lscman... all he is doing is putting out information thats relevant to what the OP is asking for.... sub 10k car that can beat the 540.

he stated his pick... and the reasons why... and gets called out... so he states his defense.... which I must say is a pretty solid defense....

and he isnt showing bias either... he works on both sides of the barnyard.

as much as you guys dont want to believe it... the m3 , m5 , m6 , 540i arent the best cars in the world.... sure they are fucking awesome and even the best at certain things..... but other cars will surpass them in other categories.

Im always open to different brands... and opinions..... this thread reminds me of the war between suzuki GSXR boys and the Honda CBR kids.
Dude...have you even read the whole thread... Most of my retaliation is from LSCman bashing on me!

Someone please lock this thread...it is so far off topic now :(

I personally doubt that the average E39 owner here is under 25 years old. Most members with the word boy embedded in their userID may indeed be under 25. who's da man lol?

I doubt that you would be right :nono

And BTW...I had the userID when I got my first car, when I was 18. I have not changed it since. If you are going to start bashing on my because of my username, then you really need to get a life!!!

as much as you guys dont want to believe it... the m3 , m5 , m6 , 540i arent the best cars in the world.... sure they are fucking awesome and even the best at certain things..... but other cars will surpass them in other categories.

Please point out where people are saying they are the best cars in the world?

curt2128

12-01-2008, 01:00 PM

I am sorry but tbar and bimmer boy just stop. The only reason you take offence to his comments is the way your reading them your putting yourself in those categories that’s he listed in a very intelligent way.

LSCMAN has a great deal of knowledge and a good way of presenting his arguments now heres my question to you what car beside a vette is faster than a 540i in either straight-line performance or auto X under the 10k mark

TNation

12-01-2008, 09:01 PM

I am sorry but tbar and bimmer boy just stop. The only reason you take offence to his comments is the way your reading them your putting yourself in those categories that’s he listed in a very intelligent way.

LSCMAN has a great deal of knowledge and a good way of presenting his arguments now heres my question to you what car beside a vette is faster than a 540i in either straight-line performance or auto X under the 10k mark

amen bro, amen.

BimmerBoy740I

12-02-2008, 02:38 AM

I am sorry but tbar and bimmer boy just stop. The only reason you take offence to his comments is the way your reading them your putting yourself in those categories that’s he listed in a very intelligent way.

:worship:

amen bro, amen.
:3some

You know what... I am going to be the bigger man here...

Sorry Lscman...
I am sorry I ever made a joke about a Corvette not being able to go around corners.
I am sorry I ever said that BMW makes great cars...
I am sorry for telling you to go play in the traffic...

You know what...we all drive BMWs here, share the same passion and love our cars and as such we should all try to get along as one big family...

Doru

12-02-2008, 10:54 AM

OK group hug.
Lock post

:)

curt2128

12-03-2008, 10:21 AM

no Lock post I am still waiting on LSCMan to answer my question

Lscman

12-03-2008, 10:33 PM

............ what car beside a vette is faster than a 540i in either straight-line performance or auto X under the 10k mark..

Curt,

I struggle to answer this question as posed because it doesn't take into account some "fundamental realities" or state your packaging requirements.

Specifically, I'm unclear why you're looking at a big sedan in first place. I chose 540i for myself because I have a family and I wanted a car with roomy rear seating and four doors plus a manual tranny. I forfeited a $10K Vette with far better performance than an M5 to get more room, more comfort and more doors. In it's class and price range, the used 540i/6 can not be beat because it has no competitors. The only competition is a bunch of newer cars like CTS-V that still carry high resale value way over $10K. Most sporty sedans in it's size do not have equivalent suspension and the one's that do largely come with an automatic only.

The other issue I strugle with is the reality that $10K used cars are seldom stock and most other models can be easily modified to produce huge performance gains for very littel money. The 540i is not a mod-friendly car, so it's performance mod opportunities are low, expscially if you have limited funds. Comparing stock-for-stock is insightful, but it's only useful if you're choosing a new car with a warranty that may remain stock for 5 yrs or more.

If the number or doors and seats are meaningless to you, then we proceed to car categories where the 540i/6 struggles to compare in performance. For example, an E36 M3 or 944T will win in a race with turns because they are much lighter. In a straight line, they are par or better and the 944T will break into the low 13's with chip and muffler swap.

With respect to autox, most any small car will outgun 540i including various Honda, Toyota MR2 or Supra Turbo, older 911, 944T, E36 M3, Neon 16V, subaru, A6 2.7T, Mitsubishi VR4 AWD turbos, Mustang etc. I personally don't like the 4WD handling. I've already mentioned older Vette which would be my top choice. The cost to maintain a 540i used for severe duty is very high compared to most. I've seen Ferrari's that take less wrenching. The A6 is another vehicle that can empty your wallet. I'm telling you this because after about 50K track miles I learned that puchase price alone does not fairly reflect cost of ownership and should not drive your buying decisions. This is the beauty of the Vette or older Porsche or BMW M that will not further devaluate.

curt2128

12-04-2008, 10:43 AM

See I have my 528i which is like my luxuray/ comfort car. But now I am looking for somthing pure performance between the 10k-15k range.

Gumbi4u

12-04-2008, 11:24 AM

See I have my 528i which is like my luxuray/ comfort car. But now I am looking for somthing pure performance between the 10k-15k range.

Get a GTO

tptrsn

12-04-2008, 01:10 PM

Lscman, very informative post!

Not that this would be a frequent discussion topic I suppose, but this post was almost archivable.

TNation

12-17-2008, 03:45 PM

Curt,

I struggle to answer this question as posed because it doesn't take into account some "fundamental realities" or state your packaging requirements.

Specifically, I'm unclear why you're looking at a big sedan in first place. I chose 540i for myself because I have a family and I wanted a car with roomy rear seating and four doors plus a manual tranny. I forfeited a $10K Vette with far better performance than an M5 to get more room, more comfort and more doors. In it's class and price range, the used 540i/6 can not be beat because it has no competitors. The only competition is a bunch of newer cars like CTS-V that still carry high resale value way over $10K. Most sporty sedans in it's size do not have equivalent suspension and the one's that do largely come with an automatic only.

The other issue I strugle with is the reality that $10K used cars are seldom stock and most other models can be easily modified to produce huge performance gains for very littel money. The 540i is not a mod-friendly car, so it's performance mod opportunities are low, expscially if you have limited funds. Comparing stock-for-stock is insightful, but it's only useful if you're choosing a new car with a warranty that may remain stock for 5 yrs or more.

If the number or doors and seats are meaningless to you, then we proceed to car categories where the 540i/6 struggles to compare in performance. For example, an E36 M3 or 944T will win in a race with turns because they are much lighter. In a straight line, they are par or better and the 944T will break into the low 13's with chip and muffler swap.

With respect to autox, most any small car will outgun 540i including various Honda, Toyota MR2 or Supra Turbo, older 911, 944T, E36 M3, Neon 16V, subaru, A6 2.7T, Mitsubishi VR4 AWD turbos, Mustang etc. I personally don't like the 4WD handling. I've already mentioned older Vette which would be my top choice. The cost to maintain a 540i used for severe duty is very high compared to most. I've seen Ferrari's that take less wrenching. The A6 is another vehicle that can empty your wallet. I'm telling you this because after about 50K track miles I learned that puchase price alone does not fairly reflect cost of ownership and should not drive your buying decisions. This is the beauty of the Vette or older Porsche or BMW M that will not further devaluate.

amen man.
i have a 2001 Honda Prelude SE and it outhandled and beat my friends stock 2000 540i 6MT on the track.
he's a better driver than me too, he tracks it a lot. I just can hit the corners way faster, but he almost overtakes me always on the straightaways.

BKphoto

12-17-2008, 05:05 PM

first, change your name...

MartinV

12-17-2008, 07:47 PM

Curt,

I struggle to answer this question as posed because it doesn't take into account some "fundamental realities" or state your packaging requirements.

Specifically, I'm unclear why you're looking at a big sedan in first place. I chose 540i for myself because I have a family and I wanted a car with roomy rear seating and four doors plus a manual tranny. I forfeited a $10K Vette with far better performance than an M5 to get more room, more comfort and more doors. In it's class and price range, the used 540i/6 can not be beat because it has no competitors. The only competition is a bunch of newer cars like CTS-V that still carry high resale value way over $10K. Most sporty sedans in it's size do not have equivalent suspension and the one's that do largely come with an automatic only.

The other issue I strugle with is the reality that $10K used cars are seldom stock and most other models can be easily modified to produce huge performance gains for very littel money. The 540i is not a mod-friendly car, so it's performance mod opportunities are low, expscially if you have limited funds. Comparing stock-for-stock is insightful, but it's only useful if you're choosing a new car with a warranty that may remain stock for 5 yrs or more.

If the number or doors and seats are meaningless to you, then we proceed to car categories where the 540i/6 struggles to compare in performance. For example, an E36 M3 or 944T will win in a race with turns because they are much lighter. In a straight line, they are par or better and the 944T will break into the low 13's with chip and muffler swap.

With respect to autox, most any small car will outgun 540i including various Honda, Toyota MR2 or Supra Turbo, older 911, 944T, E36 M3, Neon 16V, subaru, A6 2.7T, Mitsubishi VR4 AWD turbos, Mustang etc. I personally don't like the 4WD handling. I've already mentioned older Vette which would be my top choice. The cost to maintain a 540i used for severe duty is very high compared to most. I've seen Ferrari's that take less wrenching. The A6 is another vehicle that can empty your wallet. I'm telling you this because after about 50K track miles I learned that puchase price alone does not fairly reflect cost of ownership and should not drive your buying decisions. This is the beauty of the Vette or older Porsche or BMW M that will not further devaluate.

Very Interesting post.

So if you have tracked the car and found weaknesses, It would be interesting to know what you discovered and how you solved it. Not many people including me, track their car, but If i can improve something in the car that will make it better in the long run..... I'm all ears. Tracking a car will surely accelerate the desintegration of parts that were not that great to begin with....cooling system is one of them and a concern of yours.

To which I have wondered about the 540 protection package, that radiator is over $100.00 more than the regular one, yet all the other mouting parts are the same. Could it be stronger???? or as people are shooting at your car and you are trying to get away and all of a sudden the radiator blows in your heavier than normal 540.... what's next.:confused

Lscman

12-17-2008, 09:20 PM

Very Interesting post.

So if you have tracked the car and found weaknesses, It would be interesting to know what you discovered and how you solved it. Not many people including me, track their car, but If i can improve something in the car that will make it better in the long run..... I'm all ears. Tracking a car will surely accelerate the desintegration of parts that were not that great to begin with....cooling system is one of them and a concern of yours.

To which I have wondered about the 540 protection package, that radiator is over $100.00 more than the regular one, yet all the other mouting parts are the same. Could it be stronger???? or as people are shooting at your car and you are trying to get away and all of a sudden the radiator blows in your heavier than normal 540.... what's next.:confused

The easiest weaknesses to address involve:

1) replacing the struts with aftermarket premium dampers that actually hold hydraulic fluid for more than a couple years.
2) replace the overworked and failure-prone marginal thrust arm bushings in the front suspension with a durable X5 bushing or some other solution.
3) replace the plastic tanked radiator and coolant explosion tank with a Zionsville all-aluminum solution.
4) buy a sixpack of OEM clutches or find an aftermarket solution you can live with from an NVH standpoint.
5) rebuild the complete crankcase ventilation system every few years to prevent blowing the seals and gaskets from positive pressure
6) change the tranny fluid every 30K mi and run BMW LT2.

That'll cover over half the issues that plague street and track cars.

PS: the aftermarket Behr radiator is same as BMW stock unit. It costs same as Nissens aftermarket equivalent...both are dirt cheap around $200 and these all have weaknesses/issues. BMW just marks up the price of this junk to an unreasonable level.

MartinV

12-17-2008, 11:03 PM

The easiest weaknesses to address involve:

1) replacing the struts with aftermarket premium dampers that actually hold hydraulic fluid for more than a couple years.
2) replace the overworked and failure-prone marginal thrust arm bushings in the front suspension with a durable X5 bushing or some other solution.
3) replace the plastic tanked radiator and coolant explosion tank with a Zionsville all-aluminum solution.
4) buy a sixpack of OEM clutches or find an aftermarket solution you can live with from an NVH standpoint.
5) rebuild the complete crankcase ventilation system every few years to prevent blowing the seals and gaskets from positive pressure
6) change the tranny fluid every 30K mi and run BMW LT2.

That'll cover over half the issues that plague street and track cars.

PS: the aftermarket Behr radiator is same as BMW stock unit. It costs same as Nissens aftermarket equivalent...both are dirt cheap around $200 and these all have weaknesses/issues. BMW just marks up the price of this junk to an unreasonable level.

Thanks for these tips!!!! Maybe ill knock out # 2 first, the radiator is fairly new, it blew already and 3 replacements leaked. Tranny fluid has been changed already, New Clutch is in and suspencion has been completely replaced. I'll look into the crankcase vent system.

Martin