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XR000mb

11-15-2008, 04:46 PM

so, mike and a few of you have been asking for a clip of my half assed cheap muffler delete.

basicaly it was some 2" pipe i had kicking around, hooked up to some flex repair pipe connected by 2" clamps and some ractive exhaust tips i welded on there.

nothing impressive. pics and vid are from the rain. crappy camera, and i had it too close to the exhaust and it sounds distorted, but i only had one shot before the rain got heavy again. so its good enough. also the exhaust hangers got loose, need to fix em, but my oil leak issue is more important right now and the hangers will be fine. so here it is:

this is the link, can anybody tell me how you enable it for the player?
http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a229/xr000mb/?action=view&current=CLIP0001.flv (http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a229/xr000mb/?action=view&current=CLIP0001.flv)http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a229/xr000mb/?action=view&current=CLIP0001.flv

(http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a229/xr000mb/?action=view&current=CLIP0001.flv)
Update:
http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...t=DSCF0170.flv (http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a229/xr000mb/?action=view&current=DSCF0170.flv)

(http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a229/xr000mb/?action=view&current=CLIP0001.flv)http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...t=CLIP0002.flv (http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a229/xr000mb/?action=view&current=CLIP0002.flv)

(http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a229/xr000mb/?action=view&current=CLIP0001.flv)

ShapeShifter

11-15-2008, 04:48 PM

why?

Sam Son

11-15-2008, 05:09 PM

matt ill be honest
those tips look like a badly botched boob job
straighten them out...
other than that it sounds great!

Binjammin

11-15-2008, 05:12 PM

Dude, flex pipe? :confused Epic flaming in 3...2...1...

XR000mb

11-15-2008, 05:13 PM

yeah, sorry, i know.
the hangers are a pain. after the rain clears and the oil drip stops, they will be fixed i promise!

ha yes the flex pipe will hold i think. im optomistic. its hack, but i dont mind :)
took it to wallingford in back with it. bout an hour trip each way.

ShapeShifter

11-15-2008, 05:31 PM

I would expect to something like this on a Ford Pinto not an old BMW.

You have to live with it,

Enoy!

Blauanzug

11-15-2008, 06:42 PM

i cringed when I heard it. No offense but it sounds like the engine is being fueled with spanners. In my humble opinion that is the sound I do not like from exausts. But for about $20 that is the best sound I have heard. If I were you, take some large metal cans,the ones that tomato sauce comes in. Take some big cans, weld them together and pass the exhaust through that. I would love to hear that! It would sound so much better. Good Luck.

mrsharp

11-15-2008, 07:04 PM

so, mike and a few of you have been asking for a clip of my half assed cheap muffler delete.

basicaly it was some 2" pipe i had kicking around, hooked up to some flex repair pipe connected by 2" clamps and some ractive exhaust tips i welded on there.

nothing impressive. pics and vid are from the rain. crappy camera, and i had it too close to the exhaust and it sounds distorted, but i only had one shot before the rain got heavy again. so its good enough. also the exhaust hangers got loose, need to fix em, but my oil leak issue is more important right now and the hangers will be fine. so here it is:

this is the link, can anybody tell me how you enable it for the player?
http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a229/xr000mb/?action=view&current=CLIP0001.flv (http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a229/xr000mb/?action=view&current=CLIP0001.flv)http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a229/xr000mb/?action=view&current=CLIP0001.flv

(http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a229/xr000mb/?action=view&current=CLIP0001.flv)
It's ok dude, I went through the custom janky ass homemade shit stage also. The important thing is that you realize that your going through it and understand that some day you'll wake up and see that your 5 series is no longer a comfortable good looking bmw. At that point you'll regret all you did and spend the next year trying to make it as mint as possible. :alright

ShapeShifter

11-15-2008, 07:29 PM

spend more time at pep boys, Manny, Moe, and Mike will hook you up.

XR000mb

11-15-2008, 07:42 PM

haha none offense taken at all. i think ive been in that stage since like the 7th grade when i bought a riding mower for $30 and went off roading with it. haha. but im at least satisfied with it for what i paid. i can always put the muffler back on or do the whole exhaust system properly. i think it is quite possible to have a nice car, custom, at an afordable price. even if its hack. the car is still decent for the 2 grand i paid.

for the parts, the flex pipe and clamps are really all i bought. thats the $20. the 2" pipe i found kicking around. and my buddy had the tips, and owed me money, so i jacked em from him and welded em right to the pipe haha.

And porschedude... sorry i cant aford a porsche and i can barley aford this car. im just a senior in highschool who sells tvs at sears man. so be my guest and continue to be a stereotypical porsche driver.

anyway. i took two more clips. one from the shitty video camera i took the first one with, one from a digital camera. both i feel still sound inaccurate. but its something and all i have to record with. also i think i ticked off some nieghbors :rolleyes

http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a229/xr000mb/?action=view&current=DSCF0170.flv

http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a229/xr000mb/?action=view&current=CLIP0002.flv

GeEq

11-15-2008, 07:48 PM

the first of those 2 videos sounds pretty good

ShapeShifter

11-15-2008, 08:24 PM

Its not a porsche thing, it's a car guy thing.
Do it once.
Do it right
Or don't bother.

Look this thread up in 10 years, you will wander what you were thinking.

XR000mb

11-15-2008, 10:49 PM

i prefer to say its done good enough ha.

and 10 years from now id probably laugh about it, but id know im a cheap person it worked fine and i wouldn't regret it.

the car sounds fine and im happy with it. you show me a better exhaust for $20.

clearly the hangers need to be adjusted and finished, but its not exactly a shame to ever bmw on this earth. so bitch all you want- its not your car.

Maximos

11-15-2008, 10:56 PM

I think it sounds tight. Wouldn't have guessed it was a $20 job.

E34ührer

11-15-2008, 11:00 PM

Why bother with all the flex pipe and tips......just let it dump right behind the rear axle.....(look at my sig closely......:devillook)

4500 RPM

11-15-2008, 11:02 PM

the car sounds fine and im happy with it. you show me a better exhaust for $20.

That's an easy one. It's the one that came stock. And you can keep your $20.

offthewall

11-15-2008, 11:02 PM

...it was kinda alright until i saw the crooked tips.. fail.

5mall5nail5

11-15-2008, 11:07 PM

dude...

E34ührer

11-15-2008, 11:09 PM

That's an easy one. It's the one that came stock. And you can keep your $20.

:lolI would have to agree....now that it has been cut off your car, get a cutting wheel and fillet that bitch open, remove a few baffles and old rust/built up crap, sew it shut with a welder, and BAM! Dinan muffler:shifty

Mutinus

11-15-2008, 11:17 PM

:lolI would have to agree....now that it has been cut off your car, get a cutting wheel and fillet that bitch open, remove a few baffles and old rust/built up crap, sew it shut with a welder, and BAM! Dinan muffler:shifty

Could have done that with a broom handle and a hammer and saved a lot of time and effort. :lol

E34ührer

11-15-2008, 11:25 PM

Could have done that with a broom handle and a hammer and saved a lot of time and effort. :lol

Let me know how that works out for ya....if I would have done that, I would be cutting my muffler open right about now and removing the blockage......:nono

Sam Son

11-16-2008, 12:42 AM

That's an easy one. It's the one that came stock. And you can keep your $20.
Triflo......

Blauanzug

11-16-2008, 12:46 AM

the more i listen the more I like. You said it is flexpipe is it that aluminum pipe?? What should I buy at the hardware store?

5mall5nail5

11-16-2008, 12:50 AM

Dear God,

Please grace our population with enough common sense and class to not pursue this method of removing a muffler. Forgive them their inability to perform a decent DIY job. Grant them the wisdom and knowledge to recognize sensible decisions from poor ones, and lead them to a better understanding of acceptable practices. Look upon their ridiculously misaligned exhaust tips with sympathy and grace, and do not penalize them for they know not what they do.

Amen.

Blauanzug

11-16-2008, 12:53 AM

so if I wanted to Straight pipe it what should i do. The flex pipe sounds cheep and works well no?

Analog

11-16-2008, 12:55 AM

It's ok dude, I went through the custom janky ass homemade shit stage also. The important thing is that you realize that your going through it and understand that some day you'll wake up and see that your 5 series is no longer a comfortable good looking bmw. At that point you'll regret all you did and spend the next year trying to make it as mint as possible. :alright

Man, you speak the truth!

Sam Son

11-16-2008, 01:02 AM

dammit where the hell is mike day?!
his is a diy job it looks decent and sounds great?
srsly anyone heard from him lately?
is he workin on that E30 pickup?

jared94e36

11-16-2008, 01:04 AM

+1 for the op. im on a budget too but love my car and cant bear letting it sit there all stock and un-unique. the whole home-made exhaust is a bit extreme for me, so i painted my engine cover. it turned out really well. dont hate on the no-heat-shield...like i said, budget. im saving up for one haha.
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo183/jared94e36/IMG_1030.jpg
i also put a start button in. it went from replacing the cig lighter with a start button to...well mutilating my dash and doing completely unnecessary things. http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo183/jared94e36/IMG_1004.jpg

^ yes all buttons/switches do work.

Analog

11-16-2008, 01:08 AM

^Wow that is pretty cool!

jared94e36

11-16-2008, 01:11 AM

thanks! it was REALLY cheap, but looks good. i took the dimensions and had a metal shop make the panel and powercoat it black to my specs. they did a textured finish so it mimics the finish in my 320i. that was the most expensive part

Sam Son

11-16-2008, 01:22 AM

those switches are awesome and the pilot copilot heaters:rofl

XR000mb

11-16-2008, 01:26 AM

so if I wanted to Straight pipe it what should i do. The flex pipe sounds cheep and works well no?

well, the flex pipe was like $7 a pop and came with 1 clamp each, so i needed to buy 2 more clamps, and then i simply bought this roll of metal exhaust hanger which i cut according to my needs.

all of which i got at the local advanced auto parts store... NOT pep boys. eh hemm.

yeah it works well, the only problem with it being flex pipe, is it "flexes"
which it will bend to anything you want, which is cool, but is the main reason why the pipes are uneven and im still fighting with those exhaust hangers on the end.

i see im getting mixed reviews, which i can understand. obviously in time im going to half to rig up something better, and probably eliminate the flex pipe because it doesnt make for a good permanent solution, but mineki charges like $40+ for custom pipe bends.

anyway, for no muffler it idles quiet, and when i got pulled over for speeding, the cop did not mention a thing about the car being loud.

and jared, lol my favorite part about the cabin, is pilot and co-pilot labels hahaha

jared94e36

11-16-2008, 01:31 AM

haha thanks...yeah i thought id throw some humor in there

XR000mb

11-16-2008, 01:34 AM

how'd you make the labels?

jared94e36

11-16-2008, 01:36 AM

went to a graphics shop my friend runs and told him what i wanted, $10 later i had decals

Blauanzug

11-16-2008, 01:57 AM

how would you wire the engine start button and fuel pump. I am assuming with the fuel pump you are just adding a switch to the circuit, but where. ?? Do you have a DIY?

jared94e36

11-16-2008, 02:04 AM

i can make a diy...i guessssss. fuel pump was very easy. run lines back to fuel pump...cut power line, interrupt it with a relay and switch. i threw a relay in so the little switch could handle the current. i dont think it needed it but i did it just in case. the ignition same thing, need a relay in line with the starter. i still need my key to start the car and unlock the steering wheel as well. what i did was cut the ignition wire (i think it was green, double check w/ bently), extend it to a relay hiding behind that panel, then to the momentary switch, then grounded. the button starts the car opposed to turning the key to the forewardmost position. the wiring took maybe 3 hours because you need to remove the dash panel in the lower footwell

pm me if you want a diy, but it will have to be after exams are done

E34ührer

11-16-2008, 02:07 AM

If you cut your muffler in the right spot......a muffler shop wouldn't charge much at all to WELD a pipe up to that. Flex pipe???? REALLY man?

Blauanzug

11-16-2008, 02:24 AM

Yes but then he can't reverse it that easily.

mikeday1036

11-16-2008, 02:28 AM

dammit where the hell is mike day?!
his is a diy job it looks decent and sounds great?
srsly anyone heard from him lately?
is he workin on that E30 pickup?

Im kicking around here and there...

I am satisfied with my exhaust, it is just a muffler delete but certainly not flex pipe. Just some 2 1/2 in exhaust pipe i had around that i bent parallel from where i cut off the old muffler. Just fab'd up some hangers and welded it on to the existing exhaust and shes good to go. Maybe i'll take some shots tomorrow if its not pouring.... :shifty

the e30 pickup is soooo fun! hopefully it'll be pained this winter :redspot

slocar

11-16-2008, 03:25 AM

It's really remarkable how this forum looks more and more like some Civic forum each day.

When I first joined 4 years back, you would have went to sleep after you did stuff like that, and you would have never woken up because someone would come over in the middle of the night and strangle you. Yet today, we have members that think this is cool and actually encourage it.

Sad, sad day for the e34 community.

jared94e36

11-16-2008, 03:33 AM

slocar, what's sad is people who discourage an enthusiast for trying something. relax.

mikemxbike4

11-16-2008, 03:35 AM

slocar

11-16-2008, 03:47 AM

slocar, what's sad is people who discourage an enthusiast for trying something. relax.
If he went to a muffler shop and had them weld up two nicely bent, decent looking pipes in place where his exhaust once was, I wouldn't have said a word.

Discouraging him from trying something? You can't seriously be suggesting that I should be encouraging people to go around making exhausts for their e34s out of dryer hose, cheap clamps and crooked chrome exhaust tips ...

btw, How much power did your 320i gain from having an orange engine cover?

jared94e36

11-16-2008, 03:55 AM

btw, How much power did your 320i gain from having an orange engine cover?

what kind of mental comment is that? how much hp does a car gain from going to the car wash??? my engine cover was old and run down so i made it a whole hell of a lot nicer to look at. tell me, are you suggesting that people shouldn't take care of the details on their car...because it doesnt add power. you sound like a nascar fan. think before you speak. and what i meant by my comment is that you are getting up tight about someone trying something on their own, on a budget. hes not going to a shop because thats expensive - for the price a shop would charge to do that you're looking at 80% of the price of a new exhaust.

Sam Son

11-16-2008, 04:02 AM

slocar

11-16-2008, 04:05 AM

I'm not against people doing up their cars; I'm just opposed to retarded mods.

He built a exhaust out of flexpipe! What was wrong with just taking the muffler off and not having all that there? What's wrong with the factory exhaust? Oh yeah, he wants his 190hp BMW (which is a cruiser at best) to sound like a racecar. Good job.

And you painted your engine cover orange to make it nicer? What else is orange on your car? Nothing. It looks retarded.

Edit: To everyone that disagrees, you're all retarded ricer kids. Go buy a fuckin Honda.

jared94e36

11-16-2008, 04:10 AM

nothing else is orange on my car? thats a bold statement from someone who'se never seen my car. my dash lights are orange...the labels on the new dash panel i made are orange. i like orange? wtf do you care what color it is it looks better than chipped silver. stop being an asshole, which is clearly what people here think, judging by the popular response to your mental first post.

offthewall

11-16-2008, 04:15 AM

^ damn someone having a hissyfit..

relax man if you dont like what he did then dont do it to YOUR car.
people get too anal about other peoples car nowadays sheessh!

I'm not against people doing up their cars; I'm just opposed to retarded mods.

He built a exhaust out of flexpipe! What was wrong with just taking the muffler off and not having all that there? What's wrong with the factory exhaust? Oh yeah, he wants his 190hp BMW (which is a cruiser at best) to sound like a racecar. Good job.

And you painted your engine cover orange to make it nicer? What else is orange on your car? Nothing. It looks retarded.

Edit: To everyone that disagrees, you're all retarded ricer kids. Go buy a fuckin Honda.
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Sam Son

11-16-2008, 04:17 AM

Edit: To everyone that disagrees, you're all retarded ricer kids. Go buy a fuckin Honda.
dude ...leave just go ...we really dont need tightasses

Erick

11-16-2008, 05:11 AM

Jared i thought the stock intake was the best one out there?

XR000mb

11-16-2008, 10:01 AM

hmm, like i said, the tips need to be fixed, those hangers area pain, im not working TOO much this week so i should have time. and for me to have pipe bent would cost me at least $40 a pipe. none the less after winter i will get a better job done.

oh and if i wanted a 4cyl FWD POS yes, i would have bought a honda. but let me make my point again, although from undernieth it looks unimpressive, once the tips are straightened, you cant even tell its hack. i didnt go and mount a coffee can to my car. just deal with it. its not the end of the world and a discrace to all hondas. you seem rather sensitive to this. did i disturb the e34 czar?

ShapeShifter

11-16-2008, 11:01 AM

5mall5nail5

11-16-2008, 11:40 AM

slocar, what's sad is people who discourage an enthusiast for trying something. relax.

seriously though why would you put in a fuel pump switch and all... your car is stock.

ShapeShifter

11-16-2008, 11:41 AM

Really? Why?

Blauanzug

11-16-2008, 12:05 PM

because it looks cool and is fun.

Stir Fry A Lot

11-16-2008, 12:45 PM

I think it's awesome that you're a diy'r but it does seems like e34's are starting to fall into the hands of more and more e36 oriented type owners. Hot air intakes, 3" muffler tips, angel eyes, etc. To each his own but I understand where Slocar is coming from. This is an e34 ENTHUSIAST board and I think a little part of the community dies everytime another e34 falls victim to a hack job. E34's are the last generation of the "classic" BMW. As a testament to their timeless design keeping them stock is often much better than an extreme modification. They respond so much better to moderate personalization.

5mall5nail5

11-16-2008, 01:03 PM

I dont mind a 3" tip if theres a 3" exhaust in place. I just don't get the straight pipe muffler deal on a stock car. Makes no sense.

Mutinus

11-16-2008, 01:03 PM

It is an inevitable evolution. 3 series have greater demand because of being the lighter car. So the old ones are getting used up and getting higher and higher in avg milage while still keeping prices up. Fact is you can get a much lower milage unmolested 5'r for less than you can a 3 these days. Right now the 5 is a great value to get into the BMW scene and there is still a lot you can do to them. Good luck finding a 1995 3 series in good to excelent condition with only 102k miles on it for 4k or less. Not saying they are not out there but they will be few and far between. But you can get and E34 like that pretty easy.

jared94e36

11-16-2008, 01:46 PM

seriously though why would you put in a fuel pump switch and all... your car is stock.
i felt like it?
wanted to see if i could do it?
want to turn my car into a track car sometime in the next 5 years once im out of school and have some cash saved up?
...but most of all, just to piss of e34 owners. thats what was really in my mind when i set out to do this a year ago. relax man, i thought it would be a fun project, and it was, and it turned out great, you cant deny the fit and finish of it, weather you like the orange or not, or the switches or not, the panel fits in place perfect, matches the finish of the interior as best as possible, doesn't vibrate and move about, no gaps, its damn near perfect...i thought people would appreciate the overall workmanship of the project more than they obviously do.

E34ührer

11-16-2008, 01:50 PM

Enthusiast: a person filled with enthusiasm: as a: one who is ardently attached to a cause, object, or pursuit <a sports car enthusiast> b: one who tends to become ardently absorbed in an interest

No where in the webster definition does it say there is a certain way to be an enthusiast.....so slocar, take your negative self over to DTMpower.net because the dill holes over there will hate on anything.....

As long as the mod fits your vision, do what ever you like I say. I don't care if dood put flex hose on HIS car.....just makes my car look better in the end......

Blauanzug

11-16-2008, 01:54 PM

i am going to put the start button and switches in the ashtray at the dash. Therefore I can close it and the car looks normal, but open it and cool.... good no?

Question, If I were to put a fuel pump switch on the car does that mean it will overide the code on the obc?

5mall5nail5

11-16-2008, 02:05 PM

i felt like it?
wanted to see if i could do it?
want to turn my car into a track car sometime in the next 5 years once im out of school and have some cash saved up?
...but most of all, just to piss of e34 owners. thats what was really in my mind when i set out to do this a year ago. relax man, i thought it would be a fun project, and it was, and it turned out great, you cant deny the fit and finish of it, weather you like the orange or not, or the switches or not, the panel fits in place perfect, matches the finish of the interior as best as possible, doesn't vibrate and move about, no gaps, its damn near perfect...i thought people would appreciate the overall workmanship of the project more than they obviously do.

Haha you don't piss me off bro I've got manual switches for most of my car. I can deny the fit and finish of it though I think it looks chinsy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD05WjQey0M

E34ührer

11-16-2008, 02:19 PM

Is that the pump out of an aircraft carrier or what 5nail? This is damn loud!

tonyroc14

11-16-2008, 02:21 PM

lol. i want to get rid of my muffler. but i want it done by a pro. with my current tips too! I love the dual tips.

jared94e36

11-16-2008, 02:28 PM

Haha you don't piss me off bro I've got manual switches for most of my car. I can deny the fit and finish of it though I think it looks chinsy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD05WjQey0M

i was being sarcastic. even if you think it looks chinsy...i hope you'll realize that it is well made. there are no gaps, it matches the thickness of the original dash piece that was there, it doesnt move, it matches the finish in the car, everything is aligned perfectly, everything fits perfectly. thats what i meant by fit and finish...its your opinion if it looks cheesy, but it is extremely well made which is what i am most proud of.

Blauanzug

11-16-2008, 02:48 PM

no he meant his own switches mesa thinks or I hope so...

5mall5nail5

11-16-2008, 02:56 PM

Is that the pump out of an aircraft carrier or what 5nail? This is damn loud!

heh yeah its loud

FalconBMW

11-16-2008, 03:26 PM

slocar, what's sad is people who discourage an enthusiast for trying something. relax.
Agreed. There's no problem with giving advice, but if someone really wants to do something, let them. It's their car after all, not yours.

btw, How much power did your 320i gain from having an orange engine cover? Same as the amount of popularity you gained from this asshole comment.

I'm not against people doing up their cars; I'm just opposed to retarded mods.

He built a exhaust out of flexpipe! What was wrong with just taking the muffler off and not having all that there? What's wrong with the factory exhaust? Oh yeah, he wants his 190hp BMW (which is a cruiser at best) to sound like a racecar. Good job.

And you painted your engine cover orange to make it nicer? What else is orange on your car? Nothing. It looks retarded.

Edit: To everyone that disagrees, you're all retarded ricer kids. Go buy a fuckin Honda.
What is retarded to one person isn't necessarily retarded to the next. It's all about perspective and if someone likes something, they like it. You aren't going to change their mind be being a dick to them on a forum.

So, if I disagree with you on anything, I'm automatically a ricer kid? Way to be ignorant.

Mutinus

11-16-2008, 03:39 PM

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To each his own as long I don't have to drive it.

http://www.jimmy540i.com/nightmare33.jpg
http://www.jimmy540i.com/nightmare47.jpg

tonyroc14

11-16-2008, 03:41 PM

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To each his own as long I don't have to drive it.

http://www.jimmy540i.com/nightmare33.jpg
http://www.jimmy540i.com/nightmare47.jpgwell the eye of this beholder says EWWW!!!

Blauanzug

11-16-2008, 03:47 PM

well the eye of this beholder says EWWW!!!
+1 :help:eek:

XR000mb

11-16-2008, 04:17 PM

whoa! that first blue car looks like a gellete razor! hah
until my car looks like those, i think i'm safe. ha
my car sounds great, and i will make it better in time.
my cars not all stock. i put a dinan chip in it
and useless intake :)

c'mon im in highschool, i think i get a free pass for cheapy mods.

plus its true e34's are the last of the the classic BMW's but i mean
its got the m50 motor. so its classic styling with a touch of modern engineering. im not trying to be an e36r when i say these cars have power potential and are so comfortable.

im stuck in my own world :)
like an autistic 9 year old
ima do whatever the fuck i want.
woooooo!!

pushpins

11-16-2008, 04:20 PM

Sounds like noise..

tonyroc14

11-16-2008, 04:29 PM

Analog

11-16-2008, 04:31 PM

I did the same to my 540i when I didn't know any better.

It sounded good, but eh flex pipe rusted to bits. I redid my exhaust right after that episode.

jared94e36

11-16-2008, 04:34 PM

^ love that color & wheels on your car

Analog

11-16-2008, 04:36 PM

^Thanks! Most people don't like green but its my favorite color!

And the wheels absolutely make the car.

jared94e36

11-16-2008, 04:44 PM

i love that green....i really love british racing green - esp. on an aston martin. The wheels do make the car....i want to get a pair like that for my e36 but when i sit and think about the $1,000 they will cost vs. what a turbo would cost...or just keeping up with general maintenance so my car runs as well as possible...i just cant justify it. so until i find a used pair of decent wheels im stuck with ugly as hell stock.

525fourthew1n

11-16-2008, 07:27 PM

ShapeShifter

11-16-2008, 08:39 PM

Hard earned money well spent!

My rant was not at everyone, there seems to some cool dudes here. Doing some cool things.
But I just had say my peace.
It's his car, he has to live with it. I am sure people on the street will be laughing as he noisely passes by.

IMHO, if people accept "mods" like this, this cars will be held in the same regard as hondas.

XR000mb

11-16-2008, 08:54 PM

i take offense to you putting my cars exhaust in the same regards as a hondas.

the sound of a BMW stright six with strights out the back is a bit differnt a whining honda with a muffler that has a 4" outlet

im not the first to do a muffler delete, but i have no problem admitting it could have been done better. the car really isnt as obnoxious as it may seem.
the car sounds fine, and if you didnt see the undershots and the tips were evened out, you probably would have a much different reaction.

at least im willing to get under my car and try some non-bolt-on DIY stuff with the little it i have to work with to try and make something decent

i completely understand why you see it as an atrocity, but telling me im going to have to live with something that i dont regret is a bit funny.:confused

FalconBMW

11-16-2008, 09:02 PM

Honestly I don't see why people are making such a big deal about a flex pipe. A flex pipe and a properly done exhaust tube are just two pieces of metal. Sure, one sounds better than the other, but why waste your time arguing on a forum about a piece of metal when you could be out living your life and driving your own car. If he likes the result, good for him. You only have so much time here on this world, why put him down for something he enjoys and obviously makes him happy? Everyone has to find their own things that make them happy and it will never be the same as someone else.

I'm sure some people who don't like cars would think we are retarded for even spending money on some of the mods we consider to be great. Like I said, it's all about perspective. That's why, even if I think a car is ugly, I keep it to myself. It's not hurting anyone.

tonyroc14

11-16-2008, 09:02 PM

See sig

loustylez

11-16-2008, 11:47 PM

i was bored tonight so i thought i'd share with everyone how ridiculous my current exhaust situation is. muffler/resonator delete (cut off in front of the rear axle) to show you what a REAL muffler delete should sound like ;)

also, i'd be putting a muffler on if i had money, which i don't, so i have to drive around pissing off neighbors and getting crazy looks from people going "wtf is that? is that a bmw?" i had to take it off because it was rusted out where the pipes meet the muffler and was literally hanging on by that and the hanger towards the corner in the rear, clanking around over bumps and such. can't have that now can we.

anyway, flame away ;)

all with driver side window down.

http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj63/noslices/?action=view&current=VIDEO_046.flv
http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj63/noslices/?action=view&current=VIDEO_048.flv

http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj63/noslices/?action=view&current=VIDEO_047.flv

slocar

11-17-2008, 12:14 AM

i take offense to you putting my cars exhaust in the same regards as a hondas.
I think you did that yourself man ... but ok, your car is your car. I'm not gonna say anything else in this thread.

funnyman06

11-17-2008, 02:00 AM

sounds tinny? Not sure why, but i personally don't think it should. Im not opposed to swapping out the muffler, but it should create a pleasent sound, not like that of a sick 6 cyl. Sorry man, but no matter how it looks on the outside, a pig with lipstick on, is still a pig.

Try and find a nice dual 2.5inch in muffler, it will get rid tin, and will soften the edges so its not so edgy. This will not only add class to your car, but would make it more respectable. I know not all of us can afford nice parts, but if you want to drive a true piece of art, it has to stand the test of time. So stay classy fellow E34 drivers.

But its your car, not mine. I dont have to live with it, you do. So have fun with it.

4500 RPM

11-17-2008, 02:23 AM

hack and nice should never be used in the same sentence.

A hack job will always be a hack job and probably fail much sooner than later.
And nice will always be nice and should last the cars lifetime.

I cannot believe there are supporters of this hack job.
I see my time here as being limited, and will be more of a source of entertainment.

Please stay, we need as many informed people as we can get. Seriously. Look at it as serving the E34 community. If you save one E34 from a hack job like this then you've done good in your life.

I think it's awesome that you're a diy'r but it does seems like e34's are starting to fall into the hands of more and more e36 oriented type owners. Hot air intakes, 3" muffler tips, angel eyes, etc. To each his own but I understand where Slocar is coming from. This is an e34 ENTHUSIAST board and I think a little part of the community dies everytime another e34 falls victim to a hack job. E34's are the last generation of the "classic" BMW. As a testament to their timeless design keeping them stock is often much better than an extreme modification. They respond so much better to moderate personalization.

It's just what happens. It's the nice thing about owning an E34, it's not a desireable car to the poor high-schoolers (I hacked up a Jeep in HS, relax kiddos).

Hard earned money well spent!

My rant was not at everyone, there seems to some cool dudes here. Doing some cool things.
But I just had say my peace.
It's his car, he has to live with it. I am sure people on the street will be laughing as he noisely passes by.

IMHO, if people accept "mods" like this, this cars will be held in the same regard as hondas.

Amen. Preach on!

Honestly I don't see why people are making such a big deal about a flex pipe. A flex pipe and a properly done exhaust tube are just two pieces of metal. Sure, one sounds better than the other, but why waste your time arguing on a forum about a piece of metal when you could be out living your life and driving your own car. If he likes the result, good for him. You only have so much time here on this world, why put him down for something he enjoys and obviously makes him happy? Everyone has to find their own things that make them happy and it will never be the same as someone else.

I'm sure some people who don't like cars would think we are retarded for even spending money on some of the mods we consider to be great. Like I said, it's all about perspective. That's why, even if I think a car is ugly, I keep it to myself. It's not hurting anyone.

I can respect such a viewpoint, but there's a line to be drawn.

it should create a pleasent sound, not like that of a sick 6 cyl. Sorry man, but no matter how it looks on the outside, a pig with lipstick on, is still a pig.

Try and find a nice dual 2.5inch in muffler, it will get rid tin, and will soften the edges so its not so edgy. This will not only add class to your car, but would make it more respectable.

This. Louder is not better. So many factors affect exhaust sound...

Here's another example of how the E34 forum isn't as bad as the E36 forum:
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1120964

BavarianCrzd

11-17-2008, 07:36 AM

Dude, flex pipe? :confused Epic flaming in 3...2...1...
+1

Deviate

11-17-2008, 10:22 AM

Reading this thread is like watching a bunch of chimps at the zoo flinging their poo at eachother.

Binjammin

11-17-2008, 11:08 AM

seriously though why would you put in a fuel pump switch and all... your car is stock.

Needs a "master arm" switch. You know, a switch to turn on all the other switches :D

I think it's awesome that you're a diy'r but it does seems like e34's are starting to fall into the hands of more and more e36 oriented type owners. Hot air intakes, 3" muffler tips, angel eyes, etc. To each his own but I understand where Slocar is coming from.

I think I understand too. E34s have gone from "expensive family sedan" to "scrap metal value" in a very short amount of time. The oldest of these cars is 2 decades on, and in m20 form it's pretty unloved. It makes it easier for a new crowd to buy in with different tastes in modding.

I dont mind a 3" tip if theres a 3" exhaust in place. I just don't get the straight pipe muffler deal on a stock car. Makes no sense.

It sounds different. Not for performance, but neither is putting a Stebro setup or RD headers on an e34.

Honestly I don't see why people are making such a big deal about a flex pipe. A flex pipe and a properly done exhaust tube are just two pieces of metal. Sure, one sounds better than the other, but why waste your time arguing on a forum about a piece of metal when you could be out living your life and driving your own car.

I'm guessing you've never run over a muffler in the middle of the highway before. Flex pipe jobs are meant as a temporary repair when your car breaks its exhaust, not a permanent piece of pipe. The difference you mention between the two pieces of metal is that the stock pipe is thicker metal, and it's an even tube. The flex pipe actually has MUCH thinner metal, and a lot more surface area, so it's like an orgy playground for rust. Those tubes once exposed to heat, air, and water are doomed, and will fall off his car to be transformed into angry little road mines, just waiting to take a bite out of the next car down the line. Like your fog lights or brake ducts? Lower spoiler? Tires? Flex pipes=death for stuff like that.

I have nothing against doing a muffler removal, but seriously, the $40 per pipe figure comes out to what? $80 installed? That's hardly expensive. How much did it cost you so far, and really, wouldn't saving and having a quality job be worth $80 to know it's done right and isn't going to fall apart? Now in order to do it right you'll have to spend that money too, on top of what it cost you in the first place. That's what they call "throwing good money after bad" and if you had just spent the good money in the first place, it would have saved you in the long run. There are plenty of guys on the board that have/would post sound clips of their exhaust with muffler delete, you could easily have gotten a taste of it without having to experiment.

There's nothing wrong with doing mods or experimenting with your car, but why not try to put it on a better level, rather than being as cheap as possible. Our cars aren't the fastest things on the road by a long stretch anymore, they oversteer when pushed in cornering... they DO brake well, but other than that the one thing all e34 owners have in common is that our cars have style, let's not hack that off to save a few bucks, huh?

And can we stop the personal attacks? E30s and e36s are cheap these days, if you want to be that kind of guy, go buy one and hang out on a 3 series forum.

Love you guys :llkiss

Stir Fry A Lot

11-17-2008, 11:23 AM

There's nothing wrong with doing mods or experimenting with your car, but why not try to put it on a better level, rather than being as cheap as possible. Our cars aren't the fastest things on the road by a long stretch anymore, they oversteer when pushed in cornering... they DO brake well, but other than that the one thing all e34 owners have in common is that our cars have style, let's not hack that off to save a few bucks, huh?

And can we stop the personal attacks? E30s and e36s are cheap these days, if you want to be that kind of guy, go buy one and hang out on a 3 series forum.

That's what they call "throwing good money after bad" and if you had just spent the good money in the first place, it would have saved you in the long run.

Exactly.

I have nothing against doing a muffler removal, but seriously, the $40 per pipe figure comes out to what? $80 installed? That's hardly expensive.
I'm unemployed (full time student), have a wife, child, rent and bills yet still find money to put into my car. If I can't afford to do it right then I don't do it. That's where the true pride of ownership comes from. Like I said before, I think it's cool that you're a diy'r and took the initiative to start this project just try and be a bit more thorough next time. It will benefit you more in the long run.

Don't think that you've been singled out either. This is a culmination of a lot of members recently doing "rush jobs" on their cars. I'm a newish member myself and can tell that this board used to be a bit more exclusive (not in a bad way) before I came on board. If anything this was bound/due to happen but I feel that it needed to and can see where Slocar is coming from. He's trying to maintain the integrity of the board and sometimes yelling is necessary to make a point when people aren't listening.

E34ührer

11-17-2008, 11:26 AM

+1 well worded Bin.....keep 'em classy boys!

NbAmTwE

11-17-2008, 11:42 AM

ShapeShifter

11-17-2008, 11:51 AM

That is exactly how I feel Stir Fry, Well said.

funnyman06

11-17-2008, 11:59 AM

While we're on the subject is a single pipe exhaust going to damage a straight six? I mean I know that some cars with V6 engines have straight exhausts, but never heard of a straight six have a single pipe going from CATS back... so does that send some exhaust back into the engine?

No its not going to hurt anything, in fact if you do research you will learn that a single pipe of slightly larger ID will in fact flow better than 2 smaller pipes. So its not a problem at all, it will change the sound, and with a single pipe out the rear the E34 might look kinda goofy, but its not going to hurt anything, as long as you do it correctly.

5mall5nail5

11-17-2008, 12:07 PM

Theres nothing wrong with "non-bolt on" "DIY" mods - that doesnt mean they have to look like utter rubbish and be crooked and heinous. If you'd like I'd be willing to show some DIY mods that are non bolt-on that look just fine.

4500 RPM

11-17-2008, 12:14 PM

I'm unemployed (full time student), have a wife, child, rent and bills yet still find money to put into my car. If I can't afford to do it right then I don't do it. That's where the true pride of ownership comes from. Like I said before, I think it's cool that you're a diy'r and took the initiative to start this project just try and be a bit more thorough next time. It will benefit you more in the long run.

Don't think that you've been singled out either. This is a culmination of a lot of members recently doing "rush jobs" on their cars. I'm a newish member myself and can tell that this board used to be a bit more exclusive (not in a bad way) before I came on board. If anything this was bound/due to happen but I feel that it needed to and can see where Slocar is coming from. He's trying to maintain the integrity of the board and sometimes yelling is necessary to make a point when people aren't listening.

Right on the money.

He wasn't mad, he was emphasizing the point.

slocar

11-17-2008, 12:48 PM

I'm glad at least someone thinks I wasn't being a dick.

This is my 2nd e34; neither of them have really ever had any mods because I can't afford to mod them, but I've always preferred keeping them stock to throwing junk at them.

That's why it pains me to see things like this. I love coming on here and seeing nice cars that my car will never ever look like, so please give me eye candy, not something that makes me want to gouge my eyes out.

Stir Fry A Lot

11-17-2008, 01:24 PM

What's so nice about them though is that if you leave it stock but stay on top of the tlc you can still have a fine example of a nice e34. E36's on the other hand respond better to wannabe racer mods. Hell they almost need them.

This should be stickied in the FAQ under what not to do right next to angel eyes, HAI and 20" rims just as a precautionary tale. Most of this has been discussed before and although it's up to the person what they choose to do to their car it has been discussed and there is a reason that 98% of the board is on the same page. Hell Andriu finally came around and got rid of his angel eyes recently. It's not a matter of following the pack but rather what works and what doesn't.