E90 335 and M3

[SHARKBITEATTACK]

I'm sure this has been covered before but I'm just wondering what it would take for a 335 to match or better the acceleration of an M3. Could bolt-on's and programing do it or would turbo swaps be necessary?

[Big Empty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gGzq4Pyv8Q

I'm guessing a helluva lot.

[le36x3r1cx]

In terms of acceleration assuming the M3 and 335i weighed exactly the same (which I don't know there exact weights) the M3 and 335i have the exact same gear ratios in the transmission so we'll only use final drive and engine torque.

M3 = 295 x 3.85 = 1135.75lb ft at the wheels

335= 300 x 3.08 = 924lb ft at the wheels

1135.75/3.08 = 368.75 lb ft at flywheel

Very possible to match the in gear acceleration of the M3 with just a tune. When it comes to 0-60 and the 1/4 the M3 has an advantage of better diff, tires and suspension to help it get off the line.

[bimmerdriver99]

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Yeah but add on a LSD to the 335i, Exhaust, some software, and some nice tires and I'm sure it would be a super close match-up. And you still would be under an M3 Pricetag.

[lskywalker]

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Yeah but add on a LSD to the 335i, Exhaust, some software, and some nice tires and I'm sure it would be a super close match-up. And you still would be under an M3 Pricetag.

I would probably drop the extra cash on the M3 because, while we're on a forum full of DIY-ers, getting the 335 to an M3 level is not a hassle I'd like to go thru. It's why the M3 still has buyers.

EDIT: And don't forget the brakes. Those are pretty important too.

[BL Dozier]

I would probably drop the extra cash on the M3 because, while we're on a forum full of DIY-ers, getting the 335 to an M3 level is not a hassle I'd like to go thru. It's why the M3 still has buyers.

EDIT: And don't forget the brakes. Those are pretty important too.

besides you cant just by that m stich of the self can you ?

[bowmang]

there is a guy in so cal named mario (some of you may know him...) but he has a 335, with a juice box tune, intake, exhaust and downpipes... he claims to keep up with M3's, if not beat them off the line on 100 octane race gas. i believe... his car is crazy fast... i think he said last time he dyno'd he got something like 400whp... i might be wrong

[bimmerdriver99]

I would probably drop the extra cash on the M3 because, while we're on a forum full of DIY-ers, getting the 335 to an M3 level is not a hassle I'd like to go thru. It's why the M3 still has buyers.

EDIT: And don't forget the brakes. Those are pretty important too.

Oh yeah I still agree with you. You can never replace the ///M on any bmw just that feel and prestige that the cars come with wins it for me hands down.

[bigdog68]

M3 FTW, I love DINAN but there is nothing like an M. Now that the car is becoming available the markups are going away and you can have one for the same price as the DINAN 335i.

[MJFX328]

Better resale value.

[MagnumX]

You can find your answer here http://www.burgertuning.com/results.html

[Big Empty]

If Dinan proffesionally prepared that car, and it still wasn't as good as the M3, you can bet its still cheaper in the long run to get the M badge. You get the prestige, re-sale value and the peace of mind of not sending your car off to be fiddled with.

[Amir@AvusAutosport]

Oh yeah I still agree with you. You can never replace the ///M on any bmw just that feel and prestige that the cars come with wins it for me hands down.

Yes you can, and it has happened to many cars on this forum. You're fooling yourself if you think being grace by the Mgmbh hand makes a car supernatural. Some of the fastest or best handling cars on the forums are non-M's.

There are 335i's that are already faster than the M3. With a tune exhaust tires and intake you're already putting down M3 league power numbers and more torque. Hp isn't the only number :rolleyes the torque curve on the 335i is much flatter and higher than that of the M3 so its lower end is much better.

[lskywalker]

Addendum to what I was getting at in my earlier post:

The M car comes more fully prepared for actual autosport. Not just drag-racing your buddies(or some ricer you baited) down I-pickanumber late Friday night.

The M also comes with a lot more options that, were I in the market for a $60,000 2-door car, I would be interested in, like better leather, more of it, etc. Don't have to pay extra for the aero package, if you really want the full manual, you can get it in the M, etc again.

[95MLover]

My e90 335i is already faster than an M3. I have a Jb3 piggyback, and Dual Cones, 2ndary cat delete. I've raced many with the same results. Me in front, and by 4th gear, I'm slowly creeping away even more. BurgerMotorsports is where its at.
And for suspension I have Kw V1's. Its glued to the road. No floating at high speeds.

[Neutrino45]

You also don't get the M button and the adjustable suspension feature, right?

[mryakan]

You also don't get the M button and the adjustable suspension feature, right?
You don't get the V8 either, nor the optional carbon fiber roof, nor the M dynamics. 2 different cars AFAIAC, even if some of their performance numbers are comparable.

[ja///Mnn]

My e90 335i is already faster than an M3. I have a Jb3 piggyback, and Dual Cones, 2ndary cat delete. I've raced many with the same results. Me in front, and by 4th gear, I'm slowly creeping away even more. BurgerMotorsports is where its at.
And for suspension I have Kw V1's. Its glued to the road. No floating at high speeds.

Wow! Are you talking e9x ///M3's or e36/e46 ///M's or both? When I had my e36 M3, fully modded, it kicked a$$, but I didn't have it when the 335's first came out so I wasn't able to run against it.

[5soko335i]

yup, your answer is JB3! JB3 on 100 octane can take out a M3, its a stupid fast tune.

[95MLover]

Wow! Are you talking e9x ///M3's or e36/e46 ///M's or both? When I had my e36 M3, fully modded, it kicked a$$, but I didn't have it when the 335's first came out so I wasn't able to run against it.

I'm talking e9x M3's. My first time with it at the track I was trapping 111 mph with 2.1 60 ft. The runs with the e90 M3 was from a 45 mph roll. I've run e39 M5s, and I pull on them pretty hard also.

[95MLover]

yup, your answer is JB3! JB3 on 100 octane can take out a M3, its a stupid fast tune.

Wats up soko??? Its Ggreek!!! When's the Jb3 coming??

[jbass524]

A couple of people already said it but to put it to rest:
An M3 is more than 2 cars in one. It's crazy good on the track and arguably more comfortable on the street than the 335. To make a 335 as good on the track you have to go through a lot of mods: chassis, suspension, engine, etc., and when you're done you have a car that is 1 kind of car. Read track car.

I speak from experience. Don't get me wrong. I think I prefer my 335 with TC Kline suspension, oil cooler and soon BBK over the M3. But it's way more harsh on the road than an M3 and I don't have a button to turn that off.

335 over M3 Pluses:


Faster on the track
Great gas mileage
Entry price is way lower; approx. $20,000 for me.
Can increase capabilities incrementally
More raw. I like this as it feels a little like a sports car to me
Turbo motor is very nice and I think I prefer it to the V8. And it allows huge increases in power.


335 under M3 minuses:


It's 1 way or the other with suspension: Hard or soft. No cool M button for ride quality.
Suspension tuning takes expertise, time and $$. It's not just bolt on and go.
No M coolness with interior, chassis, V8.
You have to do a lot of mods. Not sure this is bad as it can be fun.
It gets friggin' hot and can get limpy without oil cooler
If you're a track person or just like the corners the brakes and suspension are not nearly as good so you have to mod those.
I feel strongly about this: BMW has engineered an amazing car in the M3 and I don't think the tuners of the world can match BMW's engineering abilities.

Flame or add please.

PS. I love my 335 and don't want an M3. It's opened a whole new way of enjoying a car for me.