Whats needed to turbo?

[mrsharp]

I hate to ask but could someone provide a complete list of what I would need to turbo charging my m30? I don't know a ton about FI but so far I have put together a small list through my searches
-turbo (of course)
-manifold
-upgraded fuel pump
-fuel pressure regulator
-injectors-intercooler
-software

I'm sure there's a lot more that I'm missing. I just would like to have a solid list in my head so I can start collecting parts. Thanks guys

[4500 RPM]

Well, the M30 is a low-compression motor so it's good to go. Perfect for turbo. :rofl

[Layne]

Don't forget advanced skills and tools for fabrication, welding, machining, electrics, electronics, software, etc etc.

[mrsharp]

Well, the M30 is a low-compression motor so it's good to go. Perfect for turbo. :rofl Your Jonk's lap dog aren't you lol. ;) jk

The m30 is a proven platform for FI. It has been done by many with excellent results. People have been boosting them for a long time, even bmw with the 745. Anyways Back on topic, I would also be interested in knowing how big a shot of Nitrous these engines are capable of taking. Not that I am getting a setup but I have always wondered. I remember reading something a while back saying they where pretty good.

[mrsharp]

Don't forget advanced skills and tools for fabrication, welding, machining, electrics, electronics, software, etc etc.
What would need to be fabricated?

[robram12]

lots of $$$$$$$, that's all.

[attack eagle]

What would need to be fabricated?
IC piping, Ic mounts, plumbing, bracketry, etc.

[mrsharp]

IC piping, Ic mounts, plumbing, bracketry, etc.
Can't you run 10 psi WO an inter cooler? I've seen it done before.

[adriver]

I hate to ask but could someone provide a complete list of what I would need to turbo charging my m30? I don't know a ton about FI but so far I have put together a small list through my searches
-turbo (of course)
-manifold
-upgraded fuel pump
-fuel pressure regulator
-injectors-intercooler
-software

I'm sure there's a lot more that I'm missing. I just would like to have a solid list in my head so I can start collecting parts. Thanks guys

Also an oil cooler system for the turbo, lines to turbo and cooler or turbo and pan. Most likely you will want intercooler and piping. But is there a list of upgraded parts as in stages for extensive buildup?


Don't forget advanced skills and tools for fabrication, welding, machining, electrics, electronics, software, etc etc.

What kind of a basic order for electronics? I would think wiring in oil temp line, pressure line, boost gauge, maf setup, stand alone or piggy back system to? (I have seen the megasquirt P&P available on here). Even in the turbo setups, I may just seem to be missing a few lines, but a detailed explanation could really help. From their how extensive is tuning?


IC piping, Ic mounts, plumbing, bracketry, etc.

Anyone know how difficult this would be if I were to be able to make some kind of useful model? For someone else, or what is needed for a professional to be able to create this for the intake mani, DP, and IC.

[mrsharp]

I still want to know if I could run a 100 shot wet without fubaring my engine?

[5mall5nail5]

You'd want an intercooler. But the E34 is not conducive to one. They are very hard to fit in the front of the E34. Most M30 turbo cars go air to water intercooled for ease. In that case you'd need the air/water intercooler, piping made, water lines, electric water pump, reservoir for water, heat exchanger to be put up front.

Its a fairly big project no matter how big or small you want to go

[Analog]

My opinion is read up on turbocharging for a few hours. Just type in what you need to know on google.

Some things are pretty interesting and eye opening. Plus you won't sound like a dumb*** going into the FI section. That's why I did alot of reading haha :)

[zubbie]

All you need is one of these $3.99 and you are good to go!

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http://cgi.ebay.ca/TURBO-BLOW-OFF-SOUND-Civic-CRX-Prelude-E32-E34-E36_W0QQitemZ220263217740QQihZ012QQcategoryZ33742Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335818596&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.ca%2FTURBO-BLOW-OFF-SOUND-Civic-CRX-Prelude-E32-E34-E36_W0QQitemZ220263217740QQihZ012QQcategoryZ33742Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[offthewall]

you would need some money, cash, atm, visa, amex, and a pretty well paying job. =)

[E34ührer]

I have a KKK K27 just hangin' out in my garage if you are interested.....good for a cheap turbo build.....no bueno for serious boost.....

[mhax]

All you need is one of these $3.99 and you are good to go!

http://i1.ebayimg.com/04/i/001/01/9c/e529_1.JPG

http://cgi.ebay.ca/TURBO-BLOW-OFF-SOUND-Civic-CRX-Prelude-E32-E34-E36_W0QQitemZ220263217740QQihZ012QQcategoryZ33742Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335818596&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.ca%2FTURBO-BLOW-OFF-SOUND-Civic-CRX-Prelude-E32-E34-E36_W0QQitemZ220263217740QQihZ012QQcategoryZ33742Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

LOL!!!!!!!! Did you try that thing???????????????

[MacR]

Please don't make your charge pipes out of ducts and pvc piping.

[CleanE34]

I have a KKK K27 just hangin' out in my garage if you are interested.....good for a cheap turbo build.....no bueno for serious boost.....

how much shipped to 11580.

[Sam Son]

how much shipped to 11580.
oh here we go:D

[CleanE34]

:shifty

[mrsharp]

Please don't make your charge pipes out of ducts and pvc piping.
You caught me:rolleyes

[BigM62]

lots of $$$$$$$, that's all.
Amen.

[mrsharp]

Thanks for the advice guys. I've been looking into ways to make power for a long time but I still can't decided on what I'm going to do. Most likely just buy a tcd kit in a bit. But can someone tell me how big a wet shot of Nitrous I can run without blowing up.

[Analog]

Well, if you spray a 75 shot, it will be as fast as a 540i is all the time.

So at least a 100 :)

[mrsharp]

Well, if you spray a 75 shot, it will be as fast as a 540i is all the time.

So at least a 100 :)
Well, I run with the big dogs so I'd like a little more power than that if possible. You say I can do 100 with no problem? What about more? I hear these things are strong but can I do like a mustang 5.0 and do 150 wet right out the box?

[5mall5nail5]

These guys don't know how much nitrous you can run

You can run as much as the motor will support. How much does the motor support? No one knows. You need a retarding box for 100 - 150 shot I'll say that much.

[E34ührer]

The squeeze is pretty hard to categorize into a 'how much can I run' answer. If you really want some funny stuff, you kinda just need to buy it and play with it. The nicer NX kits come with multiple nozzles and solenoids so you can go from 50-200 shot.

The only retard box I could find.......
http://www.michaelromanos.com/pictures/actors/pee_wee_herman.jpg

[Analog]

Pretty much everybody is taking a shot in the dark on how big of a shot nitrous you can run.

If you are running an aftermarket chip, don't spray at all. Advanced timing + nitrous = boom.

Stock chip, wet shot 75 and I'd say you would be "safe".

[clevertd]

Nitrous is just a different way of increasing cylinder pressure. The problem you run into with a single fogger system is uneven distribution. No one can give you a definite number. You run the system, check the plugs, check the A/F ratio, and adjust accordingly. Get colder plugs.

[5mall5nail5]

Nitrous is just a different way of increasing cylinder pressure. The problem you run into with a single fogger system is uneven distribution. No one can give you a definite number. You run the system, check the plugs, check the A/F ratio, and adjust accordingly. Get colder plugs.

Nope - has nothing to do with cylinder pressure. Nitrous is released at about 900+ psi but its into the air stream and is not pressurizing anything at all. Its an oxidizer and basically puts more oxygen in the combustion chamber than air alone. With more oxygen, you need more fuel. But the pressure has nothing to do with that.

[clevertd]

More oxygen + more fuel = more heat = more cylinder pressure

So how am I wrong again?

[5mall5nail5]

More oxygen + more fuel = more heat = more cylinder pressure

So how am I wrong again?

I figured you were talking about actual chamber pressure pre-igntion. Post ignition is a function of the burn. You can inject nitrous as a cooling agent and have lower pressure too, depending on what you're trying to do.

[mrsharp]

Only retard box I can find information on is the tuner box. You know of any others? Also are there any signs that I'm running a bit to much Nitrous? Any gauges I can hook up that will let me know? Thanks

[attack eagle]

egt will tell you you the exhaust is hotter so you can back out of it, but it won't tell you

it is close or about to go boom. you'll have to figure out what it safe and what isn't on your own.


Nitrous backfires will be the bomb on the plastic manifold!!!

[mrsharp]

egt will tell you you the exhaust is hotter so you can back out of it, but it won't tell you

it is close or about to go boom. you'll have to figure out what it safe and what isn't on your own.


Nitrous backfires will be the bomb on the plastic manifold!!!
How to I figure out what's safe and whats not LOL? By blowing up my engine? That's a pretty expensive trial and error. If I do blow up my engine what exactly will I hurt? I always hear people talking about that shit but I don't actually know what happens?

[attack eagle]

yep.

you could blow the head gasket, or you could grenade the rings, or slag the pistons, or make them lock up in the bores from heat expansion.


that being said a 50 shot is safe on damn near anything.

Just don't really see the point in it, you either leave the bottle off and don't have the power if you need it, or you leave it on and constantly need the bottle refilled.

[mrsharp]

yep.

you could blow the head gasket, or you could grenade the rings, or slag the pistons, or make them lock up in the bores from heat expansion.


that being said a 50 shot is safe on damn near anything.

Just don't really see the point in it, you either leave the bottle off and don't have the power if you need it, or you leave it on and constantly need the bottle refilled.
I only want nitrous for one reason which I wont go into in great detail. I'll just say I will always know before I need to use it. ;)

[5mall5nail5]

EGT generally gives you an idea on if your timing is where it should be. It also gives you a heads up on temperature to shut the motor down. 1650F and its time to stop.