Matching e34 M5 clutch kit for UUC *NOW CLOSED*

[CrayzeeM3]

Hello, I found that the best clutch deal is going to be from Buyclutch.com.

The account is under "CRAYZEEM3".
When you order please mention KBW91407 under CRAYZEEM3, your pricing will be effective.
Please check below for the payment options & notices.

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Please have first order to be 10 pieces or more ($220 + shipping) for your volume purchase pricing to be effective, otherwise it will be $240 + shipping (if you don't want to wait for everyone to pay).
The lead-time for shipping is about 1 week.

Now Taking Payment:
Please place your order for $220 + Shipping, if orders does not reach a minimum of 10 orders. Please be advised that each individual will have to add an additional $20 before it will be shipped.


Shipping and Handling
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Flat $35.00 USPS Parcel to Canadian provinces.
Flat $45.00 USPS Priority to Canadian provinces (4-5 days).
Expedited routes could be quoted at your request.


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1. Use Credit Card thru www.paypal.com to our ID "ACCT@BUYCLUTCH.COM"
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Address: Buyclutch.com
16926 S. Keegan Ave. #A Carson, CA 90746"

* All amounts are to be in U.S. dollars only.
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shipping.
* Please include the item# in your payment.
* We will ship the item as your payment is received, and email you the Track#.

[///M3Dave]

Does this include the throw out bearing?

[Andy W]

would this be a Sachs sport clutch?

[John in Houston]

So, how does this work? Is it $220 or $240? Do we already have 10 buyers?

Also, when using PayPal, where do you put your account name 'CRAYZEEM3' and 'KBW91347'? Is that last # the part number?

Thanks for all the effort putting this together! I'm ready to order as soon as this and the questions above are clarified!

Thanks!
John.

[CrayzeeM3]

///M3Dave -- This does include a throw out bearing (It's a e34 M5 clutch kit)

Andy W -- Not sure what you mean by sport clutch. If this clutch can handle the power for an M5 wouldnt that be considered sport enough? the M5 clutch is more than plenty for our cars.

John in Houston -- Sorry that was the exact email that he sent me, i modified a couple of things so it would apply to everyone interested in the groupbuy. As for the groupbuy price, wesley has gotten back to me yet about how many people have actually paid. So there now way for me to tell how many people are interested in this set. Give me a day or two to figure this out with wesley.

When you paywith paypal on the title please Use Both CrayzeeM3 and the 'KBW91407' part number.

[Andy W]

ok, forget i mentioned 'sport'. is it a sachs clutch?

[///M3Dave]

CrazeeM3- is this a BMW OEM clutch kit?

[CrayzeeM3]

This is what Buyclutch said
KBW91407 is a SACHS clutch kit made in Germany, an O.E.M. clutch kit for '93 BMW M5.

[John in Houston]

Crayzee... I'm in 100%. I'll wait a couple of days to see what the count is so I know whether to send $220 or $240 + shipping.

Man, thanks for your effort. I truly appreciate it!

John.

[FabulosoM3]

Ok so now i'm deff. gonna be in this...whats the count up to so far crazy?

[CrayzeeM3]

Your welcome. These groupbuys wouldn't be possible if it werent for you guys! Thanks to you too! :) I've been kinda busy so havent had much time to call wesley yet. Ill post it here when i do get a count.

[Andy W]

i'd be in for 2...myself and a friend of mine. possible to combine the shipping of the 2 since they will both be coming to me?

[eglee13]

question guys....
do you recommend this if my mods will include only a header, euro intake, euro hfm, exhaust, track pipe and chip?
i saw some say with the same set up plus cams that it was a must have. since i dont plan on getting cams should i go with a m5 clutch or stick to an m3?

[CrayzeeM3]

We'll see how many we have soon so we can start placing the order.

[BSH]

I'M 100% IN!

It's the only component I need now in order to swap the 5-speed for the 6-speed.

I already have:
6-speed tranny
UUC Stage II FW
ACS SS (6-speed)

There's no way I'm missing out on this GB, so keep me posted!

[errdisable]

I'm in on this and the flywheel. Let me know whether it is 220 or 240.

[errdisable]

Is there any difference between a stock e36 3 series clutch and an m3 clutch?

[Mikey52]

I just sent my money for the flywheel so Im in on this. Just need to know when and how much.

[Nimble]

I may be in on this if we hit 10. Any deals on the UUC stage II flywheel? If you can't post that price publicly, you can PM me....thx.

[John in Houston]

Originally posted by Nimble
I may be in on this if we hit 10. Any deals on the UUX stage II flywheel? If you can't post that price publicly, you can PM me....thx.

Yup, right HERE (http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=100620&perpage=25&pagenumber=3) organized by CrayzeeM3 too. That's what brought about the GB for the clutch kit.

GB on the LWFW is 5 people. I think we already hit that based on posts in the link. 10 for the clutch kit is going to be interesting.

[EMC]

I'm in on the clutch kit.

Whats the tally so I know when to send the $220 + $20 shipping?

[jesd325is]

ME (jesd)
crayzeeM3
john in houston
EMC
Mikey52
errdisable
AndyW for 2
Big Lun

with a few more possibles.

if you tally those up it is 9 so far, plus a few possibles. is that the count now Crayzee. do we have to send in the money to get the count in, cause i do have the money /cc ready to go if we can gett he parts for 220

[errdisable]

So sorry, something came up. I have to wait. :(

[Mikey52]

So it sounds like 2 more people and we're golden?

Let's go people! :D

[CrayzeeM3]

I will try to give buyclutch.com a call again. Just to ask if he can be a little lenient on the 10 people mark. If so we can place orders right away! :)

Althought Wesley does tell me that we have well over 10 buyers for the flywheel, i do not know if they want clutches also. Thats why this is taking so long.

[Andy W]

CrayzeeM3
could you get a price check/confirmation of shipping cost for me, since i will be getting 2 clutch kits shipped to the same address, am i going to have to pay $20 apiece to ship them?

[Juan ///M325]

Crayzee:

I'm interested in the clutch, but I dont know. For over a week I tried to get in touch with someone to order the flywheel and I have not heard from anyone. If I can't place an order for the flywheel, the cluth deal is of no good to me. :help


You can shoot me a PM and I'll reply when I get back. I'm on my way to Pro-imports for AA S/C purchase. :D


Juan

[CMUZYY]

who makes this clutch kit, bmw oem clutches are rebuilt and sachs are brand new. just want to know pricing for my self as a vendor. i did not notice any sachs clutches being sold by this company

[CrayzeeM3]

Juan ///M325 -- PMed you.

Chris from Bimmerparts.com -- Sachs makes this clutch kit. And I talked to them, they are willing to provide Sachs for me only. Thus i pass this deal on to the people. ;)

AndyW -- Sorry they will not be able to combine shipping for this price. :( But hey! WHATTA PRICE HUH?:clap:

[CrayzeeM3]

*** Update thread ***

Now taking payment. Thank you to all that participate.

[fourfa]

I'm in too if that helps

but I'm a little confused how we contact Buyclutch to make the deal. Their website just directs people to their ebay auctions.

[Andy W]

Originally posted by CrayzeeM3

AndyW -- Sorry they will not be able to combine shipping for this price. :( But hey! WHATTA PRICE HUH?:clap:

oh well, it was worth a shot...still a very good price. now i just need to know after what chris posted...are you sure these a brand new Sachs kits, and not remans?

[EMC]

I'm paid up... :)

[jesd325is]

i just paid up as well. hopefully we get the 10 quick

[John in Houston]

Payment sent!

[DakarDave]

Just placed my order as well!

[Mikey52]

Paid.:)

[CrayzeeM3]

Andy W -- Im sure they arent remanufactured. And are brand new Sachs kits.

fourfa -- Please use paypal to pay them and mention "CrayzeeM3" as the account and part to order "KBW91407".

Everyone else who paid, thank you. I will call him up in a couple of days to check the status.

[EMC]

Well, I just went for a ride in a customer car that I installed the M5 clutch and UUC 8.5 lb flywheel into...

The clutch is about 1/3 the effort of the M3 Sachs Sport Clutch and TC Kline lightweight flywheel that was in the car.

Hook up is great. It engages quickly as a newer clutch should. Now the weak point in the system is the tires. The owner will roast the tires down the road instead of slipping the clutch like he once would.

SOUND: Dead quiet idle just like my stock clutch and flywheel. These guys that are having a loud rattling idle with this setup must have something else wrong. This car sounds as good as stock.

Acceleration was great. Although that is what I would expect from a car with that much power. The owner was very happy with every aspect of the new clutch and flywheel...especially the price. Don't even ask me what I charged for the install. It was half of the best price I have seen here on Bimmerforums. At least when I change my clutch and flywheel, the engine and transmission are already out of the car. That will make things much easier!

[Andy W]

CrayzeeM3
alright then, i'll get paid up in a day or 2. got to contact a buddy of mine first to give him a heads up on what i'm gonna do, since the other clutch is for him. price check..$220+20 shipping on each kit, correct? thanks

andy

[ak555]

Whoops! I just realized I sent payment through bank transfer instead of credit card. Is this going to be a problem?

[CrayzeeM3]

Andy W - Correct.

ak555 - Shouldnt be a problem.

[fourfa]

So you say in the original email and the latest update part number KBW91407

but KBW91347 in a couple in the middle. Did the part number get edited?

[CrayzeeM3]

fourfa -- KBW91407 .... i dont think i mentioned a different one, i looked over the posts.

[Ziggy]

Looking for a cluch and flywheel for a 96 M3
I'm interested in joining the order.

[fourfa]

John in Houston:
<i>Also, when using PayPal, where do you put your account name 'CRAYZEEM3' and 'KBW91347'? Is that last # the part number?</i>

CrazeeM3:
<i>When you paywith paypal on the title please Use Both CrayzeeM3 and the 'KBW91347' part number.</i>

It's cool, I'm all clear.

[CrayzeeM3]

opps ... your right... how did that happen? ;)

[fourfa]

BTW sent in my order today. Thanks for all the legwork!

[Andy W]

2 kits, paid for! thanks CrayzeeM3.

[John in Houston]

Damn.... I believe that we have 10 orders.... in such short time!

Way Cool! Thanks guys!

[FabulosoM3]

I'm sending out the money tonight!:boink

[CrayzeeM3]

Great! I'll call soon to check out how much we got.

[jesd325is]

Me
CrayzeeM3
JohnInHouston
EMC
AndyW (2)
ak555
DakarDave
Mikey52
fourfa
and FabulosoM3
and there could be others who didn't post in this thread that they have sent the money
means we don't have to send in another $20 :clap:
i am glad this all went through quickly. we may just have to wait for a few orders to process though.

[ak555]

I guess I should've asked this before paying...but what all is in the clutch kit?

I'm assuming disc, pressure plate, and throwout bearing. Does it include an alignment tool as well or do I need to get one?

[EMC]

Yes, I believe it includes the alignment tool.

[CrayzeeM3]

ak555 -- It does include an alignment tool.

And yes we already have 10 I called him to confirm. Right now he is waiting on Sachs to send him the orders. He will give me a call when they are ready to be shipped.

[John in Houston]

Shwwweeeeeetttt!

[fourfa]

any update?

[BSH]

Wicked! We have 10 buyers! I was away for a while and I forgot about this GB. I'll send my payment tonight...

[BoostFed325]

can you still order one?:dunno

[CrayzeeM3]

yes go ahead and just send money.

[Andy W]

any word on when to expect these clutches to show up? need updates!

[Mikey52]

Yes, updates please.

[BSH]

Just sent payment!

[Andy W]

still awaiting updates...

[DakarDave]

I am also, any idea when we can expect a tracking # for shipment on this order and the UUC clutch?

-Dave

[Andy W]

hello...is this thing on...anybody out there...Echo Echo Echo ...still awaiting updates

[DakarDave]

I emailed buyclutch regarding this the other day.... here's their response....

Just to update you guys.....

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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:46:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Buyclutch.com" <support@buyclutch.com> | This is spam | Add to Address Book
Subject: Re: bimmerforums group buy status
To: david_t_yee<NOSPAM_PLEASE>@yahoo.com

We received T/O bearings & Discs from SACHS, and still waiting for the
pressure plates.
We will ship the kit items as soon as we receive them in complete.

Regards,
PL.

[Andy W]

nice work, thanks DakarDave

[Mikey52]

Yeah, thanks Dave. I got my fly a few days ago, Im itching for this clutch!:clap:

[CrayzeeM3]

Sorry.. i been partying too hard lately. But yea... im still here. Steve told me that he shipped a couple out already. But SACHS are backordered. It may take some time since e34 M5 clutches don't sell that fast here or in europe.

[EMC]

I'm waiting for the clutch so I can install it before I put the motor and trans back in my race car. It makes an 8 hour job into a 1 hour job if I do it before I put everything back in....come on and get here soon! :)

[blackm3]

Is this GB still on?

[toddman35]

I'm also curious if this GB is still open.

[EMC]

Got my clutch kit on Thursday. Everything was in there as promised. Thanks for setting up this Group Buy!

[CrayzeeM3]

The groupbuy is closed. But if you are sincerely interested in being added to the groupbuy. please email me.

[jesd325is]

got mine today. now i just have to get the funds for the install.
the packaging was the box the clutch kit came in. looked beat up cause it seems the box had been used by a clutch with a different model number, but the clutch assembly in the box was flawless :)
thanks CrayzeeM3

[John in Houston]

Somehow I am towards the end of the list and buyclutch.com says I should have my clutch plate next month :mad:

Funny since I was one of the first 5 to pay :dunno

[Rob Levinson]

From what we have been hearing, buyclutch.com has an almost unbelievable price on these parts.

Not to question their integrity, but are you guys actually getting genuine Sachs components? Your clutch disk should look like this:

http://www.uucmotorwerks.com/LFWSH/Img_4241_small.jpg

[jesd325is]

that is exactly what came in my clutch kit. i do have the blue springs and white writing in the center

[CrayzeeM3]

I know they have unbelieveable prices... i searched high and low for it! :)

[Rob Levinson]

Originally posted by jesd325is
that is exactly what came in my clutch kit. i do have the blue springs and white writing in the center

Excellent! Glad the correct components will be used.


Originally posted by CrayzeeM3
I know they have unbelieveable prices... i searched high and low for it! :)

Seriously low compared to other mainstream sources. Are they direct with Sachs in Germany?

[Andy W]

CrayzeeM3

whats up, some people have gotten their clutch, others are being told they won't get theirs till next month?

[John in Houston]

Actually, it's really quite understandable. Think about it... how many E34 M5s are over here? Then how many require a clutch each year. Sachs doesn't have 100 - 200 clutches laying around. 10-15 purchased at one time would put a serious dent in their stock... especially since it sounds like buyclutch.com is going straight through Sachs.

I'm willing to wait... was just surprised that I was at the bottom of the list after paying so soon.

Hell... it's not like my flywheel is here yet (should be today according to UPS) :mad:

[jesd325is]

i am having the install done tomorrow *hopefully*, so i will update you guys on the difference in performance.
i realy don't know what number i was on the list, but i had pretty much paid for the lwfw and clutch a day or 2 as the gb's opened up.

[Spencer]

CrayzeeM3,

Sent you an email regarding getting into this GB a bit late. Look forward to your response.

Thanks.

[CrayzeeM3]

I called him today again. He said if you really want your clutch now, he can ship right away, but he will give you the british (UK) made cover versus if you wait for the sachs covers.

[Andy W]

and the difference between the 2 being? lets not forget that i have 2 of these clutches on order and am wondering when i might actually expect them to show up.

[CrayzeeM3]

no difference. Just I dont want to false advertise. When i said SACHS i meant SACHS. If you dont mind, go ahead and call Steve From buyclutch.com and ask him you dont mind weather it is SACHS or the British cover, you just want it to ship now.

(562) 556-8480

Mention the Groupbuy from CrayzeeM3.

[FabulosoM3]

Has everyone recieved there flywheel yet because i still havn't and i still havnt got my clutch in either??

[jesd325is]

i have both already. i have the car at the shop today awaiting install, so hopefully all goes well, and my little german friend can get it running good. i was going to wait til after this summer to install the parts, but i felt that i was such in a hurry to get them, i might as well hurry to install them as well :)

[John in Houston]

Originally posted by FabulosoM3
Has everyone recieved there flywheel yet because i still havn't and i still havnt got my clutch in either??

I have my flywheel... and UUC has them in stock.

Call Wesley and find out where yours is. He had lost my order (but charged my card). I got the flywheel yesterday.

[jesd325is]

well i just got back from the mechanic. the clutch pedal has to be put almost all the way to the floor to engage the clutch but only a minimal movement or release to disengage the clutch. almost feels like it did when my clutch master cylinder was failing. but my mechanic assured me there were no leaks and that the slave cylinder was just unbolted and not removed. i guess it is a trade off for the increase in speed. it realy made a difference in the low end where i lacked power after the cam install. now i can feel power throughout the rpm range, cause of how quick it spools up to 3-4k, where the cam power kicks in most, as of before it took a bit longer.
i will wait to see how your guys install went, and how the clutch pedal feels to see if it similar like mine

[Rahul325]

dont forget to take it easy on ur new clutch the first 500 miles, after the break-in period u can dump the clutch all day :D

[jesd325is]

rahul, did u get the ///M3 slave cyl with your lwfw and ///M5 clutch. i have issues mainly with the clutch engagement and dissengagementpoints. it seems like i have to place the clutch pedal almost to the floor, and raise the pedal only a inch or 2 to release the clutch. i also have a slight difficulty in shifting gears. maybe this is all part of the break in, since i know i can't adjust anything since it is a hydraulic clutch system. maybe you or rob can help in assuring me everything will be all good after a while.

[shark328]

I missed the GB & I need one!
thanks
d

[DakarDave]

any update on this... I've been waiting a lonnnnggg time for this kit... :az:

[shark328]

but I went the Brit route because I couldn't wait. M clutch is cooked & I need to change it. I also bought a UUC Stage 2 LT FW for $419 shipped! He only had one though. It seems to weigh more than 8.5 pounds to me. BUt it is definitely the blue one.
I hope to get them installed Wednesday by a private party for $300!:redspot

[Rob Levinson]

Originally posted by shark328
. It seems to weigh more than 8.5 pounds to me. BUt it is definitely the blue one.

If it's blue, it's 8.5lbs. Our Stage1 is 11.5lbs, but that one is silver.

[shark328]

:b_blue:

[Andy W]

what i want to know is...is there any difference between the British UK cover and the Sachs cover. i have been waiting a long time also for my 2 clutches and also have one cooked M3 clutch awaiting the new clutch so the new stage II can be installed. any updates on ETA on these damn things?

[fourfa]

Haven't received either clutch or flywheel. Flywheel hasn't charged to my card yet. Clutch has through paypal.

[DakarDave]

just got an email response from buyclutch still waiting on the SACHS pressure plate..... they can ship the english version right away...

I'm gonna wait for the real deal.

:-)

-Dave

[John in Houston]

Dave,

Did Steve say if there were any differences between the Sachs and 'english' version of the pressure plate?

I was going to call him today... but since you already did, I don't want to be a PITA.

Thanks!
John

[DakarDave]

I sent email regarding status, didn't ask him if there were differences....

But, from earlier postings here, it seems like the only difference is branding....

I would call to make sure!


-Dave

[Matthew C Smith]

Originally posted by jesd325is
rahul, did u get the ///M3 slave cyl with your lwfw and ///M5 clutch. i have issues mainly with the clutch engagement and dissengagementpoints. it seems like i have to place the clutch pedal almost to the floor, and raise the pedal only a inch or 2 to release the clutch. i also have a slight difficulty in shifting gears. maybe this is all part of the break in, since i know i can't adjust anything since it is a hydraulic clutch system. maybe you or rob can help in assuring me everything will be all good after a while.

Any luck raising the pickup point? Did you install an M3 slave cylinder?

[jesd325is]

i never replaced the slave cylinder. i must have just gotten used to the clutch, or it finaly broke in cuase i don't have the problem much anymore. i just went past 500 the other day but will still only go all out when necessary, like for passing.

[CrayzeeM3]

Sorry. Havent been on for a while. Business trip.

[Matthew C Smith]

Originally posted by jesd325is
i never replaced the slave cylinder. i must have just gotten used to the clutch, or it finaly broke in cuase i don't have the problem much anymore. i just went past 500 the other day but will still only go all out when necessary, like for passing.

thanks. So where is the pickup point now?

[shark328]

Seems to work well. No effort to clutch pedal at all. I'm getting use to it though. The pedal is a little higher now & I would like to adjust it. Is t possible to adjust the pedal height?
thanks
d

[jesd325is]

with a hydraulic clutch system there isn't anything to adjust, just a couple of clutch cylinders, and fluid is what comes into factor.
matt s- my clucth has been broken in by now with over 700 miles on it. the pedal effortlessly pushed to the floor at first, and i was used to a lot of back pressure (pushing the pedal back up). it all seems fine now, i don't have to push the pedal to the floor anymore like before to make sure i have shifted and the release is back to normal

[Matthew C Smith]

Originally posted by jesd325is
with a hydraulic clutch system there isn't anything to adjust, just a couple of clutch cylinders, and fluid is what comes into factor.
matt s- my clucth has been broken in by now with over 700 miles on it. the pedal effortlessly pushed to the floor at first, and i was used to a lot of back pressure (pushing the pedal back up). it all seems fine now, i don't have to push the pedal to the floor anymore like before to make sure i have shifted and the release is back to normal

Thanks

[Andy W]

still waiting...any news yet since it is now august, and i believe one member was told that they would come in august. running a little short of patience here since i paid for these (2) almost 2 months ago, and have one clutch barely holding on and another one headed that way in the near future.

[John in Houston]

Okay, I also installed the UK version of the pressure plate with the E34 M5 clutch and throw-out bearing. My clutch releases towards the top of it's travel.

Obviously, there is some difference in stacked height if the non-UK version is releasing at the bottom and this one is releasing at the top. FWIW, the stacked height of the M3 flywheel, clutch & PP was slightly different than that of the UUC flywheel, M5 clutch and UK pressure plate. Nothing that big... or to worry about.

After 500 miles, this thing grips like mad.

PS - I did not get a clutch alignment tool with my kit... so be ready to purchase one or fab one up.

[EMC]

My kit from this group buy DID come with an alignment tool and new pilot bearing.

I have two Dinan M3 pressure plates and clutches laying around and when comparing them to the Sachs unit I bough in this group buy, it looks like the fingers on the Dinan pressure plates do not extend as far as this M5 pressure plate release fingers.

I have not yet compared throw-out bearings.

Dinan also lightens their pressure plates, but I can't really tell how. It is noticeable lighter...but then again, the flywheel is a little heavier.

I think that the pressure plate difference may be a large part of where the clutch pedal releases. Clutch slave cylinder might contribute to this as well. 325 vs. M3 clutch slave...is there much difference?

[ak555]

No flywheel, no clutch yet :(

[CrayzeeM3]

I got my flywheel, but not my clutch, you should call wesley again to double check on your flywheel.

[Matthew C Smith]

Originally posted by John in Houston
Okay, I also installed the UK version of the pressure plate with the E34 M5 clutch and throw-out bearing. My clutch releases towards the top of it's travel.

Obviously, there is some difference in stacked height if the non-UK version is releasing at the bottom and this one is releasing at the top. FWIW, the stacked height of the M3 flywheel, clutch & PP was slightly different than that of the UUC flywheel, M5 clutch and UK pressure plate. Nothing that big... or to worry about.

After 500 miles, this thing grips like mad.

PS - I did not get a clutch alignment tool with my kit... so be ready to purchase one or fab one up.

UK pressure plate for me and no alignment tool

[John in Houston]

Originally posted by Matthew C Smith
UK pressure plate for me and no alignment tool

Damn UK bastiges ! I modified a 10 spline Ford alignment tool. Guess it worked OK as everything is still in place / working.

[Matthew C Smith]

Originally posted by John in Houston
Damn UK bastiges ! I modified a 10 spline Ford alignment tool. Guess it worked OK as everything is still in place / working.

No joke, I had a hell of time with it. I ended up borrowing a universal tool from a mechanic friend.

Did you have to reduce the diameter at the tip where it slides into the pilot bearing?

[John in Houston]

Yup... also had to remove materials at the spline area. Both are 10 spline clutch discs... but the ford has a bigger input shaft than the BMW... so ground some of that off too.

[Matthew C Smith]

Originally posted by John in Houston
Yup... also had to remove materials at the spline area. Both are 10 spline clutch discs... but the ford has a bigger input shaft than the BMW... so ground some of that off too.

that was my plan too, but the parts store only had the one sample tool...

[fourfa]

no clutch, no flywheel

[CrayzeeM3]

flywheel, but still no clutch, im having him send out everyone's clutch and leave mine last since i organized it.

[Andy W]

any kind of ETA yet on the clutches?

and not that i'm waiting for a fly but for the guys that are, last i heard from UUC the fly was backordered, not sure for how long.

[ak555]

Buyclutch told me today that the next batch would be coming on the 3rd week of August.

Still no response from Wesley about my flywheel. I've emailed him 3-4 times and left a message on the phone as well. I'm getting a little worried...

[fourfa]

hey adam I will have a spot for an install fest by the time we get these...

[Matthew C Smith]

Just thought I'd let everyone know that I'm having some issues with the pressure plate and/or the throw out bearing. I have the UK pressure plate, but did not check the difference in stack height between the factory setup and this one.

My release point is near the top with minimal pedal effort, much less than previously.

The problem is a the bottom of the pedal. When about 1" from the factory clutch stop, the release fork is contacting the pressure plate. I have tried the 328 and the M3 slave clylinders with the same results. I have a few pictures of the contact on the pressure plate that I will try and post up in the next couple of days.

So I'm consider whether to look for the real deal pressure plate or to just run and clutch stop and hope to not have any more problems. Also, I have about 275 miles on the new clutch so far.

[John in Houston]

Huh.... I don't have that issue with my UK PP. Wonder what the difference is?

FWIW, I added a UUC big boy (got it free with my SSK)... definitely helped out.

[Rob Levinson]

Originally posted by John in Houston
Huh.... I don't have that issue with my UK PP. Wonder what the difference is?

I wonder if there was more than one "alternate" PP used... another reason it would be good if anybody could find part numbers on the pieces they received.

[Matthew C Smith]

Hey Rob, I called and talk to you earlier this afternoon. Thanks.

I took a few pictures of the parts before I installed them. I just had it back out last night, but didn't happen to look. I've got pictures of the PP from then. Maybe I can pull a PN from that.

I'll keep everybody up to date.

[Matthew C Smith]

I just got this from BuyClutch.com (the grammar could use some work...).

"There is no difference in specs between SACHS & UK pressure plate.Most of our customers for M5 clutch kit is using the UK pressure plate, and all of them are fine.What's drawing my attention is that the fork touched pressure plate. Normally the gap between fork& pressure plate is 2-3" including the height of T/O bearing. Even if we consider the difference in the thickness of new & worn-out disc/cover, the parts does not make such a big discrepancy unless they are visually shorter or higher by 2-3" or more.

This unusual case mostly happens when the flywheel is changed, forks are bent, or thehydraulic/slave is damaged. If they replaces flywheel (especially non-BMW dealer,A/S market one) , this will commonly happen until the flywheel is re-surfaced to fit the clutch kit.

The SACHS T/O bearing should have number 3151 231 *** on its body. "

It sounds to me like they're not sure what's going on either. The release fork looked perfectly fine to me, no funny bends or abnormal wear.

[Rob Levinson]

If you still have your original flywheel and clutch components, please do an exact comparison to the new parts.

When using the correct clutch kit, the stack height should be identical.

[Matthew C Smith]

I'll see what I can do about removing the tranny again. It might be up to a week before I can get to it.

Here are a few pictures. I've provided links as they are unalterned from when I took them. Hopefully somebody with better eyes or monitor than me can read some part numbers from these.

original install
http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~smithm3/extras/DSCN2694.JPG

Release fork and t/o bearing
http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~smithm3/extras/DSCN2707.JPG

After rubbing
a little blurry
http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~smithm3/extras/DSCN2716.JPG
http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~smithm3/extras/DSCN2717.JPG
best of the three
http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~smithm3/extras/DSCN2718.JPG

[Matthew C Smith]

I found a better monitor

here's what I can read
PP fingers (what are they really called?) have KC 2621
PP itself has Made in Great Britian (made in and great britian are a significant distance apart)
I can't make out the PN on the PP though...

[bimmer95]

Not that'd you'd do this, but I've seen similar issue when folks have not torqued all of their pressure plate bolts completely, allowing the disc to "tilt". Because of the pressure plate being spring loaded against the disc, you have to torque each bolt at least twice to make sure they are all completely seated, obviously working in a circular or star pattern between the bolts.

[Matthew C Smith]

I guess it's one more thing to check if I pull the transmission out again. I torqued them all down a couple of times though.

I'd think that if that were the case, then the wear ring would not be present the entire way around the pressure plate, but just in the high or tilted spot. Maybe not though.

At this point I'm thinking of just ordering an e34 M5 PP from BMW and going from there. The clutch appears to be the exact one spec'd by UUC. Maybe I'll order a T/O bearing too just to be on the safe side.

[carcrazed4life]

Just so I'm positive, could we get all the part numbers needed (clutch, pp, t/o, etc.)

Thanks.

[BSH]

My paypal payment went through on June 15/03.

I have not received my clutch kit, either.

Has it been confirmed that the clutch kit will be available by the 3rd week of August?

[Andy W]

it is now the third week of august...where the hell are my 2 clutch kits? payment made on 6/5/2003

[fourfa]

payment made 6/6/03, no clutch, no contact. I'll contact visa in a week to sort this out.

[DakarDave]

I received mine a few weeks ago... email them.... they responded quickly to my emails...

[Andy W]

dave, do you have the email addy for them...it would be much appreciated, thanks

[John in Houston]

If you dont mind, go ahead and call Steve From buyclutch.com
(562) 556-8480

Mention the Groupbuy from CrayzeeM3.

I called and talked to Steve. Have you? Give him a call and see what is up.

Or go to www.buyclutch.com and use the contact e-mail address there which is support@buyclutch.com

[Andy W]

received email back:

We've been shipping SACHS clutch kit for the P.O. under CRAYZEEM3 in the order of the payment
received.
Next ETA is the first week of SEP., and we will ship out all prev/ B.O.s for CRAYZEEM3, including
your clutch kit.
We will email you the UPS tracking # as it is shipped.

Regards,
PL

[FabulosoM3]

well the first week of sep. is over and still no clutch...am i one of the only ones left? who else has not received it yet?

[BSH]

I was just about to post again. I am STILL waiting for my clutch kit.

Considering my payment went through way back in June, this is frickin' ridiculous!!

[Spencer]

I have been waiting for the ALL Sach's unit.

They estimated delivery for 2nd week in Sept.

It has been a while, but I do understand, being in the importing business myself. Variables can take longer than expected, which are completly out of your control.

[Andy W]

still anxiously waiting for both of mine as well...but i'm kinda glad to see i'm not the only one thats still waiting. at least its not just me sending email/talking to them to find out what the hell is up.

[fourfa]

still waiting, but after I emailed I got a call from someone there who was very serious about explaining what was up. by sept 15th, he said.

[Andy W]

great, how come the date seems to keep getting pushed back everytime someone talks to these guys?

[Andy W]

heres the latest info i got:

The container has been on Customs Inspection at Long Beach port from last week. It is expected to
arrive at our warehouse on this week. We will ship the item as soon as we receive it.

We are sorry for the inconvenience.

Regards,
Steve S.

[Ollie]

FYI, I just received a message from buyclutch.com stating they will have new stock on the E34 M5 clutch (Sachs) next week and will be filling all orders then.

Anyone else hear otherwise?

[CrayzeeM3]

Good news. Steve said hes gonna start shipping out all back orders tomorrow! YAY!

[BSH]

That IS good news!

[Andy W]

very good news...i'm assuming we'll be getting tracking numbers as they are shipped?

[Ollie]

GREAT news, now to order my flywheel!

[CrayzeeM3]

Ok, i already recieved my clutch. But Steve has informed me that one of the groupbuyer's address has been changed. (Andy) please call steve back to confirm your new address. He needs conformation before shipping. Thanks.

[Spencer]

Mine should be arriving anyday now. I spoke with Steve on the phone on Monday and it was supposed to be shipped out the same day.

[Andy W]

who, me? my addy hasn't changed but i will call him tomorrow morning anyways to find out whats up. thanks

[Andy W]

nope, not me...just called and mine have been shipped already to my addy, supposed to be here today...must be some other andy

[Spencer]

My address changed but I confirmed it with Steve a while back. Shouldnt be a problem.

[Spencer]

Got the clutch today!

[FabulosoM3]

just received mine today also!! finally

[CrayzeeM3]

Hmmm pilot bearing doesnt fit the M3 transmission?

[BSH]

Mine has arrived as well. Good times.

[ak555]

Well, apparently you have to use M3 pilot bearing and alignment tool. Can't use either one that came with the clutch kit.

[fourfa]

finally got mine too, some weeks ago. I was travelling during that time. Everything looks good, that should wrap this long saga up...

Adam, care to post the correct part number?

[ak555]

Pilot bearing for 1996 M3

BMW 11211720310

Just watch out for that rear main seal replacement. I thought I was VERY careful but I have a big leak now and have to do it all over again :complain

[FabulosoM3]

so has anyone else had this problem installing the kit with the supplied parts from the sachs kit. I havn't put mine in yet so i dont know but before i do put it in i would like to kno for sure ...i dont want my mech messing anything up downthere or me losing instead of gaining perf. i cant wait to put in in though everyone says its a pretty big differ. in feel of the car..more responsive
thanks

[CrayzeeM3]

I love the new clutch. My friend with the 325i has the stock clutch on his car and it feels really hard to me. Mine is smooth and not extremely soft but, soft. Coupled with a clutch stop from UUC this set up, i am extremely happy with.

[ak555]

You can swap the clutch slave cylinder from a 325 if you want the stock feel and engagement point back.