Best wideband, all opinions welcome

[jjjjjjj]

So I'm asking Santa for a wideband setup lol and wondering just which one to choose for my turbo e36 with OBD1 S52 on factory ecu and really if there are any advantages or disadvantages to one brand vs another.

I really don't know much about any of it so feel free to school me, just looking to be able to monitor, dyno test and I guess do some logging. Also looking for the best bang for the buck.

One thing I would also like is a matching boost gauge or at least to have both with matching black faces and lighting. I'm pretty sure nearly everybody has one so if you could do it again which one would you choose and why? All suggestions welcome, thanks!

[Butters Stoch]

I like plx , plus they fit where you want to see it. Right next to redline .

[pbonsalb]

AEM has worked fine for me for the past 5-6 years.

[jjjjjjj]

Nice! it would be nice to fill that worthless MPG area with something too. Btw I'm still loving my newly found 42mpg car.

[ColdshotM3]

i wanted an aem wideband so i could use a matching aem boost gauge. however, tuner recommended innovate mtx-l which is a bummer because now i cant having matching gauges

the plx gauge in the oem water temp location is really cool.

[Nutzy]

Always worth looking at one with a floating ground/differential output. A ground you connect to the sensor ground plane on your ECU. If you have a standalone that is....

[Z-Thrizzle]

Nice! it would be nice to fill that worthless MPG area with something too. Btw I'm still loving my newly found 42mpg car.

This guy used that area to A/F readings.
http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh...er-plus-extras

[jjjjjjj]

i wanted an aem wideband so i could use a matching aem boost gauge. however, tuner recommended innovate mtx-l which is a bummer because now i cant having matching gauges

the plx gauge in the oem water temp location is really cool.

This is my biggest concern, the differences between brands for tuning and logging purposes. I mean whats the difference in a case like yours?

[vollosso]

Aem wideband failsafe. Lookerup.

[graphite9]

^^^ooh, I like that. Combining both in one gauge too. I wonder if that would fit in the oem h20 temp spot?

[vollosso]

^^^ooh, I like that. Combining both in one gauge too. I wonder if that would fit in the oem h20 temp spot?

its pretty small. Boost/wb/and datalog.

[jjjjjjj]

Genius. Now the question is whether or not it's worth the extra $100 for simplicity. I'm thinking yes...

Would this combo gauge help a remote tuner get more accurate boost readings or is this not common enough to be beneficial? I honestly don't know how boost levels are acquired from a dyno run

[vollosso]

Genius. Now the question is whether or not it's worth the extra $100 for simplicity. I'm thinking yes... Would this combo gauge help a remote tuner get more accurate boost readings or is this not common enough to be beneficial? I honestly don't know how boost levels are acquired from a dyno run

it logs boost and afr vs rpm. So i say yes.

[chikinhed]

The AEM failsafe is really great as you can program it to turn your boost controller off to reduce boot to spring pressure if the afr or boost fall out of the programmed limits that you set. I have one, I like it.

If you go with an Innovate MTX-L then you can datalog all the obd2 parameters along with AFR data from the wideband with BMWlogger. It's the cheapest best way to datalog for your tuner.

Zeitronix ZT-2 datalogger wideband is also a decent setup. It has a higher refresh rate than the BMWlogger but less engine parameters. They have a few gauge options including at hacker display (or similar) that Mike R had installed in the MPG gauge location. The Zeitronix has alarms that can be programmed to give you a warning light and buzzer which are much better than a gauge when at WOT. It too can turn your boost controller off if you hook it up that way.

Sent from my GTX3582R

[PEI330Ci]

I'm stuck with something that's 3 times the cost of Innovate, PLX, or AEM, and only outputs a CAN signal. I'm told it's accurate though....

Just thought I'd point out that the options mentioned above are affordable and flexible compared to some devices.

[jjjjjjj]

Yes, I really like the concept of the failsafe gauge and had never heard if it, this is exactly why I asked! Especially considering I have zero gauges now, that one gauge seems to be all anyone in my position would need to get started with remote tuning and even datalogging (I'm not really sure about the capabilities of obd1 vs 2) for not much more than the cost of boost+wideband. Pairing it with an EBC sounds excellent, something I planned on getting eventually anyway.

Well I guess I need to save a few more pennies or be extra good for Santa...

[vollosso]

It uses a wbo2 and o2 sensor and you tap an rpm wire. Obd is irrelevant.

[flyfishvt]

This guy used that area to A/F readings. http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh...er-plus-extras

I like this one. It puts the AFR right next to the tach. Not sure if you can data log off it. I have a Innovate MTX-L. Paid $125 on Amazon. I bought the BMWLogger cable and a license for $50. It's as basic a setup as you'll find. I don't have the capability to log boost yet. I'm looking into that.

If I was doing it over again from scratch I would spend the cash on something that logs AFR and boost. Personally I'm not a fan of the PLX that displays multiple items in one gauge. I don't want to flip through screens while I'm driving.

So my wish list would be something that fits into the e36 mpg part of the cluster and displays boost and AFR side by side and gives you the capability of data logging both. I would never go with a 2" stand alone gauge again if I didn't have to

[graphite9]

It uses a wbo2 and o2 sensor and you tap an rpm wire. Obd is irrelevant.

I wonder if this gauge uses the same plugs as my existing uego, and boost gauge? Is it very difficult to wire it in to do an ignition cut? Off topic, but it anyone has a link to someone doing this, that would be awesome.

[vollosso]

I wouldn't do ignition cutoff only personally. There was a thread on it with a few people who installed it. It uses a vac line to get to an on gauge boost sensor and it uses the standard afr bung and aem sensor which is a bosh something

[e30kid89]

For guys saying they can't have matching gauges with the MTX-L they have a boost gauge as well. MTX-D

[graphite9]

I wouldn't do ignition cutoff only personally. There was a thread on it with a few people who installed it. It uses a vac line to get to an on gauge boost sensor and it uses the standard afr bung and aem sensor which is a bosh something

How else would you do it? Sounds like it's different than the regular boost gauge, as it's electronic. No biggie, my vac lines are in the glove comp. Hook it my ams500 somehow? I have a 12lb spring, so I couldn't get it to ever go less than 12psi, without changing the spring. I think the smallest I can run is 6psi spring.

[chikinhed]

As far as looks go, when the AEM failsafe and MTX-L are on the AEM failsafe looks much nicer than the MTX-L. Just sayin'

Sent from my GTX3582R

[Butters Stoch]

I have a spare innovate MTX-L . just need to pull from the pod. If someone is looking for one. It works fine, just decided to go with the plx in the cluster.

[Colby Colbs]

Best wide band depends on goals/point of view. My idea of the best wide band is the methanol friendly NTK sensor because it reads all the way down to 2.9lambda (sp?). Again I like it because it's designed for max effort turbocharged systems and wouldn't need a new one if I ran methanol. (Tis a distant dream, bad Yellow Bullet)