As far as oil goes in your whips, what do you guys use for oil? I ran Mobil 1 15w50 full synthetic in the stock motor, but now that I'm wrapping up my turbo build, I was looking for some input on what you guys prefer as far as weight and capacity goes? I've done some looking around but don't see any threads discussing any pros and cons of the lubricants people are using.
M1 0-40 here
1996 332IS
Built 3.2
CES/Steed TS Precision 6466, spraying a "$π!℅" load of meth.
Technique Tuning 80# tune.
1/4 mile 10.84 @ 136.72
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I run Mobil 1 15w-50, which seems pretty popular, but I'm thinking of switching to a lighter weight, maybe M1 0w-40 or 0w-50. With the cooler weather, I'm not seeing engine oil temps above 180.
1997 Arctic Silver/Black M3
CES Stage IV (651rwhp/615rwtq @ 24 psi)
1999 Techno Violet/Dove M3
Auto/Convertible and staying stock!
Alex,
Not to persuade your choice, but I hate castrol 5w-50. Because, when I started using it in both of my cars, after using Mobil 1 15w-50, they both started weeping/leaking from the timing chain cover area.
That's not to say that I did not have an unforeseen problem, but it was definitely exacerbated. Thus, I switched back, and the problem was alleviated.
Btw, this was about 3 years ago.
This is my signature....
i think this thread would benefit from mentioning if its a stock motor or built motor
328i Sedan Twin s366's, 6.0LS, TH400, MS3 Ultimate
9.20 at 150 on 22psi
Stock motor valvoline vr1 20w50 I love it
rotella t6 in nearly all my vehicles
Isn't 20w50 a little thick on a stock motor....unless you have a m20?
1997 Arctic Silver/Black M3
CES Stage IV (651rwhp/615rwtq @ 24 psi)
1999 Techno Violet/Dove M3
Auto/Convertible and staying stock!
I guess it depends on why you run it. Im in florida. there is very little difference in the weight of all of the oils when up to temperature so I went off of the weight at iirc 180 degrees. most all of the oils no matter the weight ended up at the exact same level. I had ticking when the car was hot and the pressure wasn't following the 10 psi per 1000 rpm rule of thumb. the 20w50 was less than 10% thicker with a hot motor but it eliminated all engine noise and pressure issues. if you let off the peddle before it warms up the motor slows like it has gum in the bearings so it takes a 10 minutes for that to go away. then everything does what its supposed to do.
I suspect bad clearances in the motor but I don't have any proof other than slightly low compression and the fact that when I got the motor the kid was boosting very lean.
about 10k miles this way without an issue.
however I do not like the fact that vr1 is a racing oil with very little in the additive package that controls all the crap that build up in the oil. at least according to their vague description of its peoperties.
Last edited by bry195; 10-21-2014 at 10:40 PM.
Built engine 15w-50
Old set up: 520RWHP & 500RWTQ @ 20PSI 1/4 mile as of 7/26/15 12.5 @ 125MPH - 19PSI
New set up: Steedspeed Twinscroll, Wiseco Pistons 8.8:1 CR, K1 Rods, Blueprinted and Balanced, ARP Main Studs, o-ring block, GTR 12mm head studs, GT35R with 86mm HTA billet compressor wheel (GT3586RHTA) TwinScrol 1.06 exhaust housing, Nick G custom tuning, 6 Speed Transmission, UUC Twin Disc Clutch, UUC EVO III, UUC DSSR 109mm, EVO 6 Speed Driveshaft, HFS-6 W/M injection, Zeitronix data logger, 3" SS full exhaust, Rallyroad strut bar, X brace, Race coilovers.
1989 535i - sold
1999 M3 Tiag/Dove - sold
1998 M3 Turbo Arctic/black - current
2004 Built motor TiAg/Black - Sold
2008 E61 19T Turbo-Wagon - current
2011 E82 135i - S85 Swap - current
1998 M3 Cosmos S54 swapped Sedan - current
1998 Turbo: PTE6870 | 1.15 ar | Hp Cover, Custom Divided T4 bottom-mount, 3.5" SS exhaust, Dual Turbosmart Compgates, Turbosmart Raceport BOV, 3.5" Treadstone Intercooler, 3.5" Vibrant resonator and muffler, Arp 2k Headstuds | Arp 2k Main studs | 87mm Je pistons | Eagle rods | 9.2:1 static compression, Ces 87mm cutring, Custom solid rear subframe bushings, Akg 85d diff bushings, 4 clutch 3.15 diff, , Poly engine mounts, UUC trans mounts W/ enforcers, 22RPD OBD2 Stock ECU id1700 E85 tune, 22RPD Big power Transmission swap w/ GS6-53
Agreed T6 is great and reasonably priced too!
liqui molly 10w60
M1 0-40 or 15-50 depending on the season.
No matter where you go, there you are...
This is what matters. It also makes sense what you said about a small difference (I assume you were running Xw40 before?) when hot. The second number refers is the kinematic viscosity. Which is measured at operating temp. The first number is SAE viscosity when the oil is cold. Lots of great oil info here BTW --> http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/puttin...nto-viscosity/
I come from the E46 M3 world and all they do is debate why castrol 10w60 is god's own fluid or why its over priced and outdated or why liquidmoly is better or trash or M1 is awesome or that if you let even a drop of it near your motor, it will explode... Basicly from what I've researched, dont think of the oil as thinning as it gets hot... hot is when it does its work and thats what you should focus on. Think of it as thickening when cold. Too much viscosity (which is just the measure of a fluid's resistence to flow) will cause pressure to increase. This also means flow is decreased... not enough flow and parts get starved for lubrication. For that reason, and the awesome anti-wear additive package that it has, I run M1 0w40 in my built motor. Have 2 blackstone oil reports saying everything is healthy.
HOWEVER, I will be trying Penrite 10tenths 0w50 in my upcoming oil change. It has an even higher anit-wear additive package than M1.
Question is.. Is an FI oil thread still just another oil thread..?
After seeing how clean the internals were in my 205k M50tu during my rebuild I vowed never to stray from Rotella T6 5w40.
First bought it at walmart as a budget move (10 years ago it was a cheaper solution than Mobil One) and loved it. Warms up quick in the winter and never seems to get "thin" even in the hottest Texas summer.
Agreed that my old e30 with M20B25 loved the 20w50, drove that 7 years from 160k - 220k with zero issues beginning as a lead-footed teen. 11 years and counting in the e36, 125k - 205k and rebuilt into S52 650 miles ago, stock with .140 mls.
1995 325i | OBD1 S52 | S50 cams | AA Turbo TD06 20g / 42lb / Porsche maf | .140 MLS | F1 s3 clutch | Ultimate SSK | AKG 75D subframe/diff bushings | 3.23 LSD | Powerflex LCAB/RTAB | e46 fca | Raceland coils | BMP rear arms | DEPO HID | AEM Failsafe | Aeromotive FPR | Walbo 255 | 3" Magnaflow muffler/cat/res | 17x8.5/9.5" 225/45 & 255/40
Im pretty sure i run Napa brand 10/40.
For those who dont know, Napa brand oil is Valvoline at a cheaper price.
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stock motor
328i Sedan Twin s366's, 6.0LS, TH400, MS3 Ultimate
9.20 at 150 on 22psi
Eneos 0w50.
Built s50 turbo
Powertrain: Big Bore 87mm S50| Boost Logic Gen 2 Mani | BorgWarner S366 | CP 8.5:1 pistons | Eagle Rods | O-Ringed block | Tial 50mm | Precision 46mm | LINK G4 standalone | ZF| F1 stage 3 clutch/15lb ltwfw| UUC Black TM/E| Vorshlag MM's | 3.23LSD w/AKG race bushings| AKG race subframe bushings| 'Bear Motorsports' Re-enforced subframe | Walbro 525lp fp| VPD pulleys| 4'' DP into 3.5 straight pipe"||
Handling: FK konigsports| '95 M3 strut mounts| Rogue Engineering RSM's| UUC RTAB's| 20mm front spacers| 2915lbs Full interior
Aesthetics: M3 bumpers| 18''x 8.5/9.5 BBS LMs| ZKW's| 50w 6000k HID| Smoked Corners| 50% wndshld/5% all around| M3 sedan seats F&R| Black headliner| Black/Grey suede door panels| ZHP knob| M3 steering Wheel|
It's not just another oil tread in the F/I section. I asked because I have a F/I car. As I mentioned before, I ran M1 15w50 in my stock motor, but the new S52 has a stock bottom end, Schrick cams, and a Technica Motorsports-inspired turbo setup. 15w50 just seems a bit heavy for a motor with a bunch of new oil lines.
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I ran 0w40 Mobil 1 in my ZHP, but this isn't exactly a ZHP haha
I run T6 in everything too!
OLD
E30
636whp
1/4 mile: 10.91@144.38
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_f7fUVqblI
NEW BUILD
335d
520whp
635wtq
120.51mph trap speed
I use Motul 5-40 euro blend 8100 its hard to find and not so cheep but it works and hold up when I'm tracking or driving the piss out of my cars.
Stockish E34 525
Chipped and exhaust E39 540.
All we use down at the shop is Motul unless its a TDI then its molly.
Redline is my auto-manna.
It has cleaned and kept clean motors that had insane amounts of sludge, and personally I build my motors for high Compression (such as my Lysholm blown 328Ci, or M3) and after 20k very very hard miles, over half of which were on the track (car's Redline is significantly higher than the S54...), me and my friend (retired BMW Master Mechanic and one of the lead drivetrain engineers for the Euro S14 EVO motors, the S38, and his last was the S50B32 and S62)tore it down after the 20k mile post build point, only to be stunned that the cams didn't even have a hint of scoring. This formerly died in the wool "BMW knows best" guy, and not the obnoxious forum type, now uses Redline exclusively and in the 2yrs+ since has said that the amount of oil related issues have plummeted, and formerly disgusting motors are now almost a pleasure to work on (headgasket replacements and such).
I am not some Redline Evangelist, it's really just been that ridiculously good for me!
2006 M3 ZCP/6MT AW/IR - Vorsteiner Dual-Side Dry CF GTR Hood + CSL Trunk + Diffuser + Roof + Mirrors + Sideskirts, VAC CF CSL airbox + bored ITB's + Valvetrain Stg3, SS Ver1 Stepped Headers + Akrapovic Ti exhaust, KW Clubsports + Hotchkis sways + UUC/AKG/RE/TMS PowerFlex bushings and mounts, Mason F+R steel strut braces + rear brace, Zionsville rad + Stewart pump + Samco hoses, TMS Pulleys + VAC Dampener, Beisan full VANOS, Recaro Sportster CS CF seats, UUC EVO3 SSK+DSSR w ZHP knob, OE CSL CF Interior, UUC Stg1 DM Clutch+FW 23lb total w SS line, Performance Friction Monoblock BBK (4p 358x34mm 2pc front + 4p 355x32mm 2pc rear, slotted) w SS lines, Volk TE37SL 19x9f 10.5r, ARC-8 18x10f 10.5r, BBS LM 19x9.5f 10.5r, and more...
2000 328Ci 6MT/ZSP/ZPP/ZCW/HK Topaz Fully-Built motor w 11.5psi ESS Lysholm blower @ 10.5:1 CR, OS Giken 3.15:1 LSD w 6MT... 419rwhp/392rwtq 93oct and 2972lbs... Nothing is stock.
1999 M3/2/6 Alpine White w Euro S50B32 + 6MT,
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